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Flooding
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"A 2020 study by a Yale University team found that of the US states most affected by hurricanes, Louisiana is home to the highest percentage of climate-change skeptics (55 percent).
But most Louisianans interviewed by AFP lacked Schexnayder's certainty.
Many people said they did not know what caused global warming and the natural catastrophes of recent years.
"It very well could be (global warming)," said Tracy Fontenot, adding, "It may be it's just, you know, God's way of doing his thing."
"And I don't know what we could do to avoid it," added the 55-year-old educator."
https://phys.org/news/2020-10-god-sto...
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"Images on state media showed entire villages under water in Quang Tri and Quang Nam, while murky floodwaters swept through the Imperial City of Hue and the tourist hotspot Hoi An over the weekend.
More than a hundred thousand homes have been submerged in the floods and nearly 46,000 people evacuated, Vietnam's disaster management authority said."
https://phys.org/news/2020-10-rough-s...
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"San Miguel de Salinas town hall is attempting to reclassify two large plots of rural land in Blue Lagoon for the construction of housing and a commercial centre.
Residents have objected to the scheme, saying the proposed location is in the bed of a watercourse."
https://www.costa-news.com/costa-blan...
The last open areas to sell are not developed for very good reasons which get forgotten or ignored when people want to make a quick buck. Generally, the highest elevation areas are settled first for residential properties because they are out of the water's reach. As time goes on that golden rule gets buried in the quagmire of business as usual.
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https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2020...
"Motorists are advised that Westmeath County Council have closed the Clonown road out of Athlone after heavy flooding earlier, with diversions in place.
Met Éireann has issued a Status Yellow rainfall warning for counties Cork, Kerry, Limerick and Tipperary, with persistent rain forecast. The warning is in place until 2am tomorrow morning.
A weather advisory is also in place for the entire country until 6pm tomorrow, warning that spells of heavy rain will lead to surface and river flooding.
A series of powerful Atlantic weather systems, including Storm Aiden, are still battering Ireland with winds and rain."
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"Flooding hit the Costa Blanca on Wednesday and Thursday, with the north of Alicante province on orange alert for downpours.
Homes on Jávea’s Balcón al Mar urbanisation were evacuated in the early hours of Thursday after around 200 litres per square metre of rain hit the municipality in just 12 hours."
https://www.costa-news.com/costa-blan...
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The provinces plan to evacuate 468,000 people by the end of yesterday, state media cited the government's disaster management authority as saying.
Accumulated effects of previous weather disturbances, as well as water from a dam and higher plains brought high flooding to Cagayan province on the Philippines, the disaster agency said.
The nearby Magat Dam released water yesterday equivalent to two Olympic-size pools per second, government data showed."
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1114/117...
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""Reconnaissance aircraft finds Iota has strengthened into the 13th hurricane of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season," the NHC said.
Iota is expected to unleash "life-threatening" flooding when it hits Nicaragua and Honduras tomorrow. It has already brought torrential rain and flooding to Cartagena in Colombia.
It comes less than two weeks after powerful storm Eta killed more than 200 people, causing flooding and mudslides across a huge swath, stretching from Panama to southern Mexico.
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" In Honduras, where Eta killed 64 people and damaged roads, bridges and crops, President Juan Orlando Hernández has urged people in Iota's path to evacuate to the nearest shelters.
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""We have to get out, we have to save our lives," said local man Erick Gomez, who said he only survived the flooding from the last hurricane by clinging to a tree to avoid being swept away by the rushing water.
"We are afraid of what we just suffered with Eta, and we do not want to go through the same thing again," he added."
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/11...
I'm not a big fan of controlling flooding with technology. I look at it like a warning sign that perhaps one is located too close to the waters edge.But this time, if the gates had gone up, it would have worked. The trip point for the decision to be made, which is done by a person, located nowhere Venice, is 1.3 meters. The projected value was 1.25 meters. Talk about splitting hairs. Because of unexpected winds and other conditions, the water level did zoom right by the trip point.
Apparently it took too long to get the person who makes the decision to make the decision. This seems like a job for a person who is a local harbor master who knows the waters. They should be in charge of deciding when to raise the barriers. I don't know if it costs money every time they raise the barriers, but you can't take your time with todays weather, it can be in your face with just a moments notice.
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"The research, published Jan. 11 in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, helps to resolve a long-standing debate about the role of climate change in the rising costs of flooding and provides new insight into the financial costs of global warming overall.
"The fact that extreme precipitation has been increasing and will likely increase in the future is well known, but what effect that has had on financial damages has been uncertain," said lead author Frances Davenport, a Ph.D. student in Earth system science at Stanford's School of Earth, Energy & Environmental Sciences (Stanford Earth). "Our analysis allows us to isolate how much of those changes in precipitation translate to changes in the cost of flooding, both now and in the future.""
More information: Frances V. Davenport el al., "Contribution of historical precipitation change to US flood damages," PNAS (2020). www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.201...
Journal information: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
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The costs are easily found by just compiling the costs each year as we go forward. Eventually the future values could be forecast from the data. The value I would like to see now, is the value of the damage that isn't repaired each year. See how, or even if, the carryover damage eventually gets fixed.
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for a town where residents were not allowed to rebuild as their town was once more a flood plain.
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https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2021/...
First there were fire fighters, now there are flood fighters.
Moving Out Of Flood ZonesWhat people won't do on their own might be accomplished with an economic sledge hammer. The cost of flood insurance for a lot of people is projected to go up 4 times to be able to pay for the risks that developments on flood plains now face. By 2050, the rates could be 7 times what they are today. This comes on top of the growing awareness that anywhere can become an instant flood zone, even mountain tops.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/cl...
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“It is very difficult to tease apart the two factors,” he said. “My guess is that socioeconomics dominate flood preparedness. If populations have limited ability to leverage federal programs for flood relief, then they are limited in how they can prepare for future floods. If communities have ample resources, then it becomes a risk-based choice.”
But he did say that it’s concerning that risk-averse white communities also tended to have much more flood control infrastructure like dams, and more access to federal assistance. "
https://earther.gizmodo.com/racist-zo...
Typically, the last areas to be developed are the most likely to flood. That's why they weren't built on. The more secure areas have already been developed or are expensive property that prevents mass housing from being built. The price of shore land has escalated over the years, putting it in the unlikely position of high dollar property being no better off than areas that are easily flooded by rivers and streams. Plus the fact that floods can now easily happen outside of flood zones has also pushed more expensive property into the flood risk zone.
The increased impacts of daily weather are going to change the way things are done, either before, or after it happens. The time when we could push decisions 20 years down the road are gone because the physical impacts are getting too big to ignore. People generally don't pay attention to something until something bigger than they are comes along.
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"Sydney is bracing for its worst flooding in decades after record rainfall caused its largest dam to overflow and as deluges prompted mandatory mass evacuation orders along Australia's east coast.
Emergency services ordered people living in low-lying areas on the city's north-western fringes to flee to safety, as authorities warned of a potentially "life-threatening" situation in New South Wales state."
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0321/120...
Looks like your idea about circulating large amounts of water into the inner, dryer areas of Australia just got a whole lot easier.
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"More than 75 people have died and dozens are still missing after flash floods and landslides hit Indonesia and neighbouring East Timor.
Floods sparked by torrential rain have wreaked havoc and destruction on islands stretching from Flores in Indonesia to East Timor, sending thousands fleeing into shelters.
The deluge and subsequent landslides caused dams to overflow, submerging thousands of houses and leaving rescue workers struggling to reach trapped survivors."
Later on the page, and cut off, we get:
"Fatal landslides and flash floods are common across the Southeast Asian archipelago during the rainy season.
January saw flash floods hit the Indonesian town of Sumedang in West Java, killing 40 people.
And last September, at least 11 people were killed in landslides on Borneo.
The country's disaster agency has estimated that 125 million Indonesians - nearly half of the country's population - live in areas at risk of landslides.
The disasters are often caused by deforestation, according to envi"
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0405/120...
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4 dead as record rain drenches Nashville, flooding remains a danger
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https://phys.org/news/2021-06-scope-d...
"The dark patch turned out to be the scar left by the 35 million cubic yards of missing rock and glacier ice—enough material to cover Washington, D.C., with a 3-foot-deep layer.
"This was the source of a giant landslide that triggered the cascade of events, and caused immense death and destruction," said Shugar, who was previously an assistant professor at UW Tacoma.
The researchers also used the maps to determine how far the block of ice and rock fell.
"The failed block fell over a mile before impacting the valley floor. To put this height in context, imagine vertically stacking up 11 Space Needles or six Eiffel Towers," Bhushan said.
Then the larger team was able to quantify how the pulverized rock and ice were redistributed over the downstream areas.
"As the block fell, most of the glacier ice melted within minutes. This resulted in a huge volume of water associated with the flooding," Bhushan said. "This is highly unusual—a normal rock landslide or snow/ice avalanche could not have produced such huge volumes of water."
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"The team also used satellite image archives to show that previous large ice masses had been dislodged from the same ridge and struck the same valley in recent years. The researchers suggest that climate change is likely increasing the frequency of such events, and that the greater magnitude of the latest disaster should be considered before further infrastructure development in the area."
More information: D.H. Shugar at University of Calgary in Calgary, AB, Canada el al., "A massive rock and ice avalanche caused the 2021 disaster at Chamoli, Indian Himalaya," Science (2021). science.sciencemag.org/lookup/ … 1126/science.abh4455
Journal information: Science
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the greater magnitude of the latest disaster should be considered before further infrastructure development in the area.That says it all. More than likely that is actually for the buyers thinking of buying what will be built in the area.
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This is probably a frequent occurrence over the years for this country, due to location, topography and population density; but we should try to learn lessons from how it affects the people.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/07...
Dull Disasters?: How Planning Ahead Will Make a Difference
For the most part, the length of the island is one big mountain range whose land basically slopes down hill to the coast. The mountains guide the clouds and then the mountain sides channel the rain and mudslides. It is an ugly situation. There doesn't seem to be any real fix for it either.
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"Former top executive of a Honduran construction firm Desarrollos Energéticos (DESA) was the latest of eight people charged with the 2016 murder of environmental activist Berta Cáceres. Roberto David Castillo Mejía awaits sentencing in early August and is expected to be sentenced for 24 to 30 years.
Cáceres was a well-known award winning grassroots activist and a Lenca, which is a group of Indigenous people of Honduras. She was shot dead in her home after spearheading a campaign that blocked the construction firm from building a dam on Indigenous land. The project did not comply with national and international environmental regulations, but was still sanctioned. Castillo Mejía was overseeing the project. He and others orchestrated Cáceres' murder after she led a campaign against the dam which delayed the project and caused financial losses for the company."
https://www.ecowatch.com/berta-cacere...
Be careful out there.
We have gotten at least 10 inches of rain in the past 7 days, the rain gauge fills up. Elsa, the tropical storm and the thunderstorms that independently preceded it accounted for 5 of the inches in less than 24 hours. The front lawn is like a giant soaking wet sponge. For us, damage was minimal, But other areas in the NYC and surrounding communities received a lot of damage over the past 3 days. They put reports of down trees on the weather map the same way they report lightning strikes. The downed tree symbols have been very numerous on the map the past 3 days. It is all very randomly spread out. The flooding has been in specific areas that habitually flood but also scattered around.
The subway stations had some water in them from clogged drains and broken pipes, but not system wide only lasting less than a few hours. It was scattered here or there like all the other damage. Lots of temporary road closures due to run off water collecting before draining away, not so much flooding.
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Your front lawn a sponge - imagine if you had paved it completely, for parking, all the water would run off, maybe into your home. We need more sponges in cities.
More news about the rain in the northeast. Locally, a few streets flood and are temporarily impassable during heavy rain storms. This time sporadic heavy rains during the preceding days saturated the ground which caused 30 streets to be closed during the Elsa tropical storm rainfall. That number of streets having to be closed has never happened before.
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"Euston Station lines had to be shut down after the intense downpours, with people unable to travel in or out of the city via the major transport hub.
Underground stations, including Chalk Farm and Hampstead stations in north London and Wimbledon in the south, also shut due to the heavy rainfall.
One video posted on Twitter shows water pouring in down the stairs at Sloane Square tube station.
Cars were also filmed struggling to make their way through streets that appear to have turned into rivers after several centimetres of rainwater."
https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2021/0713/...
The water here is rising and falling, rising and falling. Large areas of unstable weather but it is pretty widely scattered making it hit or miss. If the whole area got the worst that was happening, it would be Noah Time. Seems like the clouds are everywhere but on average you get 2 days of possible rain, a day off, then 2 more days, then a day off. Flash flood warnings every other day. Over the past week, 2 small tornadoes. The local weather radar is so good they can tell you what street the tornado is on. The tornados only last a few minutes.
So far the flooding mostly only lasting a few hours because the rain stops. In the places where the storms stall out, in 3 to 4 hours there can be 4 to 10 inches of rain. Those places stay underwater longer. The power outages are limited to 30 or 40 thousand instead of 300 or 400 thousand, so far everything gets fixed pretty fast.
It's surrealistic in a way. If you are not getting flooded or damaged, it doesn't seem too bad, but the damage you don't want to see is usually only a few miles away.
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This actually sounds scary, Robert, do take care. Are kids off school?
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"Four people are dead and more than 30 are missing following flooding in western Germany that caused half a dozen houses to collapse.
The deaths were reported in the Ahrweiler district, which is a wine-growing region on the Ahr river that flows into the Rhine.
Police said that the heavy rain led to once-in-a-generation floods, with many people stranded on rooftops waiting to be rescued.
About 25 more homes were at risk of collapse in the district of Schuld bei Adenau, in the hilly Eiffel region, SWR broadcaster said, citing police.
"We currently have an unclear number of people on roofs who need to be rescued," a spokesperson for the Koblenz police told Reuters.
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"Two fireman drowned and the army was deployed to help stranded residents yesterday, after a slow-moving low-pressure weather system caused once-in-a-generation floods."
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/07...
School is out. Its not scary until it happens to you. Even if the next town over has dozens of trees down and no power, you just don't appreciate what happened. 30 streets were closed in my town a week ago. I didn't hear about it until the next day. I had no idea it was that hard to get around. Its easier to just not go anywhere during storms, or not doing anything if it is humid and hot.During the heat wave, the power substation on my side of town had so many problems that the power company kept a dozen trucks and all the parts they needed parked right outside the substation so they could get the power back on in 10 minutes instead of an hour or two.
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"The death toll from devastating floods in Europe soared to at least 93 today, most of them in western Germany, where emergency responders were searching for hundreds of missing people.
Several more people have died following a landslide in Erftstadt-Blessem in Germany's North Rhine-Westphalia state, one of the areas hardest hit by floods.
"I fear that we will only see the full extent of the disaster in the coming days," Chancellor Angela Merkel said from Washington, where she met with President Joe Biden.
Catching residents of several regions unaware and leaving destruction and despair in their wake, the masses of water were dubbed the "flood of death" by Germany's top-selling daily Bild.
Authorities in Rhineland-Palatinate said 50 people have died in the western state, bringing the national toll to at least 81.
Neighbouring Belgium counted at least 12 dead, and more than 21,000 people were without electricity in the Wallonia region.
Luxembourg and the Netherlands were also severely affected by the torrents of water, with thousands evacuated in the city of Maastricht."
The New York Times is reporting approximately 1300 people are unaccounted for. It is hoped that the lack of communications in the area will account for the missing people.https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/15/wo...
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"Rescue workers scrambled to find survivors and victims of the devastation wreaked by the worst floods to hit western Europe in living memory, which have already left more than 150 people dead and dozens more missing.
Western Germany has suffered the worst impact of the deluge that also hit Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands, leaving streets and homes submerged in muddy water and isolating entire communities.
With the death toll in Germany at 133 three days into the disaster, rescuers said more bodies were likely to be found in sodden cellars and collapsed homes.
"We have to assume we will find further victims," said Carolin Weitzel, mayor of Erftstadt, where a terrifying landslide was triggered by the floods.
In Germany's worst-hit states of North Rhine-Westphalia and Rhineland-Palatinate, residents who fled the deluge were gradually returning to their homes and scenes of desolation.
"Within minutes, a wave was in the house," baker Cornelia Schloesser told AFP of the torrents that arrived in the town of Schuld, carrying her century-old family business with them.
"It's all been a nightmare for 48 hours, we're going round in circles here but we can't do anything," she said, surveying the heaps of twisted metal, broken glass and wood that have piled up at her former storefront.
In neighbouring Belgium, the death toll jumped to 24 with up to 20 people still missing and more than 21,000 left without electricity in one region.
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"Flood waters descended on densely inhabited valleys in the region around the Meuse river on Thursday, after days of intense rain.
Luxembourg and the Netherlands were also hammered by heavy rains, inundating many areas and forcing thousands to be evacuated in the city of Maastricht.
A burst dam in Germany's Heinsberg district 65km southwest of Duesseldorf overnight prompted the emergency evacuation of more than 700 residents."
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0717/123...
Other reservoirs are so dangerously full, people are being evacuated.
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In Rhineland-Palatinate state alone, one of the worst-hit regions in western Germany, police reported 110 dead, up from 98 previously.
"It is feared that other victims will be added," police said in their statement, which also gave at 670 injured in the region alone.
At least 27 people have also lost their lives in neighbouring Belgium.
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"Chancellor Angela Merkel is to visit flood-hit areas in Germany to survey the damage and meet survivors.
She is scheduled to travel to the village of Schuld in Rhineland-Palatinate state, one of the two hardest-hit regions in western Germany, where the swollen Ahr river swept away houses and left debris piled high in the streets.
Rescue crews in both Germany and Belgium were sifting through rubble to find victims, often in dangerous conditions.
The historic downpours also battered Switzerland, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.
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""I've lived here my whole life, I was born here, and I've never seen anything like it," said Gregor Degen, a baker in the devastated spa town of Bad Neuenahr-Ahrweiler, near Schuld."
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/07...
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https://news.sky.com/story/germany-fl...
Germany:
"The death toll from Germany's worst floods in living memory has risen to 165, as emergency services continued to comb through decimated towns in search of dozens of people still missing.
A deluge of rain fell over western Germany over two days last week, sending torrents of water rushing down streets, sweeping away trees, cars and sheds, and destroying swathes of housing.
Many victims have been found dead in sodden cellars after attempting to retrieve valuables, while others were swept away by the sheer force of the water."
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0719/123...
"Valuables" could of course include pets, passports, computers with work on, art, family silver; whatever. If you live near water, make a plan as to what should be at risk and what should be at no risk. Store physical goods somewhere like a bank (which costs) or insure the replaceable. Scan documents and photos or photograph them, and store them on the cloud.
I should do the above cloud work with some of my older qualifications, which were gained when we didn't have cloud servers.
I saw on Sky News last night, that workers in Europe were pumping out water from an underground car park. They were afraid of what they might find. Cars had been parked that were not retrieved; people had been seen running in to get the cars as the flood warnings were broadcast.
Maybe forty people, they told us, might be in the water.
Leave the car, folks. Leave it.
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"Twelve people died after torrential rains flooded a subway in the central Chinese city of Zhengzhou, with images showing passengers struggling against chest-high water inside a train carriage.
As dams burst and river embankments were breached in record downpours across Henan province, President Xi Jinping described the situation as "extremely severe" with flood control measures entering a "critical stage", state media reported.
Around 200,000 city residents were evacuated, local government officials said, with soldiers leading rescue efforts in the city of over 10 million people, where days of rain have inundated the streets and subway.
Rainstorms submerged Zhengzhou's metro, killing 12 people and injuring five, while hundreds were rescued from the subway, city officials said in a Weibo post."
I saw a clip of this on the news last night; the subway passengers continued sitting or standing when up to their chest / waist respectively in brown water. I could only think that it was warm water. They were in t-shirts. I suppose the people didn't know which was the safe way to go if they got out of the train, and the tracks would be deeper under water.
Germany is looking for financing to rebuild the areas that got washed out. It will be instructive to see how the properties worth is calculated and who pays for the reconstruction.
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"As the scale of the disaster continued to unfold, the Chinese army warned that a stricken dam around an hour from Zhengzhou city "could collapse at any time" after being severely damaged in torrential storms.
The regional unit of the People's Liberation Army alerted yesterday that the relentless downpour had caused a 20-metre breach in the Yihetan dam in Luoyang - a city of around seven million people.
The PLA's Central Theater Command said it had sent soldiers to carry out an emergency response including blasting and flood diversion.
Soldiers have been deployed to other rivers nearby to reinforce embankments with sandbags as the floods fanned out across Henan and warnings were issued of other near breaches of dams."
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"But the threat has worsened over the decades, due in part to widespread construction of dams and levees that have cut connections between the river and adjacent lakes and disrupted floodplains that had helped absorb the summer surge.
Scientists say climate change is also worsening flooding around the world alongside other increasingly extreme weather patterns.
According to the authorities, the rainfall in the region was the heaviest since record-keeping began 60 years ago, with Zhengzhou seeing the equivalent of a year's average rainfall in just three days."
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/07...
China is getting really badly hit by rainfall each summer now.
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"The body for cultural heritage warned some key heritage sites had suffered water damage, including the Shaolin temple - a famous monastery and school for martial arts - and the Longmen Grottoes, a UNESCO heritage site of stone Buddhist carvings dating back to the fifth century.
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As the scale of the disaster continued to unspool and the damage ran into tens of millions of dollars, the Chinese army said it had averted the collapse of the stricken Yihetan dam around an hour from Zhengzhou city.
This morning, the People's Liberation Army said blasting operations had been carried out at the dam and troops had "successfully opened a new flood diversion opening".
These measures meant the water level had dropped and the "danger has been effectively controlled".
Thousands of soldiers have been deployed to other rivers nearby to reinforce embankments with sandbags as the floods fanned out across Henan and warnings were issued for other near breaches of dams.
"Some reservoirs had their dams burst ... causing serious injury, loss of life and property damage," Xi Jinping said, according to state broadcaster CCTV.
"We have already entered the critical stage of flood control, leaders and cadres from all walks of life must ... take the lead in commanding, quickly organise forces for flood protection and disaster rescue.""
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/07...
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"He said that a combination of coastal erosion and rising sea levels are impacting the island.
"Many islands in the Chesapeake Bay have been lost over the centuries but now this process is happening much faster. Basically, Tangier's clock is very much foreshortened compared to what it would be like if sea level was not rising," Dave said.
He believes the problems are directly linked to climate change.
"It's an acceleration of what was a totally natural process but now man is influencing it. The island will be completely under water probably in the next 50 years," according to Dave.
Around 400 people live on Tangier Island."
https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2021/0722/...
The Chinese army might be paving the way for the future by being the main frontline response to natural disasters as they get larger and larger. Supposedly the military is able to quickly mobilize large forces that are equipped for the worst situation. But instead of fighting people, the world's militaries will be handling weather related incidents.
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The Army were the front runners for the handling of the appalling foot and mouth disease outbreak in UK.
This is generally a good use for fit organised people, and the Chinese have previously sent planeloads of soldiers to earthquake zones.
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"The storm, packing winds of about 120 mph early Friday, is expected to make landfall Friday evening, just east of Lake Charles, according to meteorologist Rob Shackelford, and hit communities already battered by Hurricane Laura just weeks ago.
"We believe that there will be hurricane force winds and storm surge in southwest Louisiana in the area of our state that is least prepared to take it," Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards said Thursday, urging residents to create a game plan for the storm.
The National Hurricane Center warned of a "dangerous" storm surge that's expected near the hurricane's landfall and parts of Louisiana's coastline could see up to 11 feet of water. That will be coupled with high winds and rainfall that's likely to lead to "significant flash flooding" in parts of Louisiana Friday and Saturday, the center said."
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/09/we...