Incorrect page count for "Fathers and Sons"

[Jovana]

On Goodreads, the page count for the Penguin Classics edition of Fathers and Sons is incorrectly listed as 336. The actual number of pages is 212.

For confirmation, please see the entry on WorldCat: https://www.worldcat.org/title/father...

I also own this book with this ISBN and can confirm the page count.

[Melanti]

Could you please confirm the ISBN for the edition you're referring to?

I'm assuming 9780141441337?

What's on pg 213 and beyond?
I checked the look-inside feature on Amazon, and that shows there's an afterword. How many pages long is that?

[Jovana]

Yes, that's the correct ISBN.

In my edition, the very last page is 212, which is a page of notes. There is no afterword in this edition with this ISBN.

[Melanti]

Okay, I updated it to 212 since that's the best info we have right now.

They must have added the afterword in a later printing.

Fathers and Sons

[Jovana]

OK, thanks. Thing is, I just bought the book 2 weeks ago.

[rivka, Former Moderator]

Amazon's Look Inside is often not edition specific. If you look carefully, it is clearly a different edition, or at least a different printing: no notation of 150th anniversary on the cover, for example.

[Melanti]

There's no 150th anniversary on any cover? Or am I going blind? Not that it really matters since we're not messing with the covers or creating ACEs, but they look identical to me.

I checked the ISBN on the copyright page of the look inside and it matches, so there must be at least one printing with that ISBN that has an afterword.

Amazon often shunts you to a different edition with Look Inside - especially with Classics, but you can usually check the copyright page to make sure you're looking at the right edition.

[rivka, Former Moderator]

That ISBN was first published in 2005, which is less than 150 years after the book was first published, so there are indubitably multiple covers/versions of that ISBN.

[Melanti]

No? Where are you seeing 2005?
It was published in 2009. It couldn't have been published in 2005 since the new translation wasn't made until 2009. At least that's what the copyright page says.

And I"m not seeing 150th Anniversary printed on any cover? Not saying that it couldn't have been, of course, but I have no idea what you're looking at?

Again, it really doesn't matter, since we've already established there's obviously different versions with this ISBN - some have afterwords and some don't, for instance.

I'm just horribly confused as to where you're getting your information about the cover and publication date?

[Jovana]

Hi all,

I don't know what's going on but I just know that, when I scanned the ISBN I noted above into Goodreads, it gave me this book which contains an afterword and 336 pages. I have he same ISBN with no afterword and 212 pages.

[Jovana]

Sorry I am on my phone.

I meant the book I scanned in has no afterword and 212 pages.

[lethe]

Tim wrote: "The book Jovanna linked to in Message one is not Penguin Classic edition but rather Signet Classics 150th Anniversary Edition - https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/......"

Tim, your link leads to another topic and a different book?

[Melanti]

Let's all get on the same page here.
The edition we're all talking about is this one: Fathers and Sons

The Signet Classics edition you guys are linking to has absolutely nothing to do with any of this other than being the default edition on Goodreads. We're discussing the Penguin Classics edition with an entirely different edition with a different ISBN.

And, yes, technically, this should require an ACE - one with a afterword, one without.
However, I really don't see the point in creating a separate ACE when we don't even know how many pages long the afterword would be. Hence, my stating in message 4 that we'd wait on better data before doing anything else.

I seriously doubt that an afterword is going to be 120 pages long, so the 336 page length is obviously invalid, even for versions including that afterword. If it were a few critical essays, maybe. But afterword? No.

If you guys really want to create a ACE when we don't even have all the right data for that, be my guest.

[lethe]

You are correct, Tim. The 'Fathers and Sons' link in Jovana's first message links to the 150th anniversary Signet edition and this must have been what confused rivka.

The editions on Worldcat with ISBN 9780141441337 all list digital documents, so we can't go by them.

I agree with Tim that the edition on Goodreads has an afterword listed so it seems strange to change the page count according to a version that has no afterword.

[lethe]

Found it in the British Library catalogue:
http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/li... (hope the link isn't temporary)

Page count given is xiii, 219 p. So xiii pages for the introduction (not counted on GR), and 7 extra pages for the afterword.

I think the page count for this edtion should be changed to 219.

If Jovana insists, another edition can be added with a page count of 212 and no afterword, but we would need to have the full information that is on the reverse title page of her edition.

[Melanti]

I really have no idea what you guys want me to do here?

Do you want me to create an ACE Then for the afterword-less edition with 212 pages and just delete the page number on this edition? I could do that, but that would leave this edition with no pages listed whatsoever which seems silly.

We don't know how many pages the version with the afterword has. It has at least 213, since the afterword begins on page 213. It certainly doesn't have 336 unless the afterword is 120 pages long.

I put 212 since that's a lot more likely to be closer to the truth than 336, and notated the change log that it came from an afterword-less edition.

[lethe]

Melanti wrote: "I really have no idea what you guys want me to do here?

Do you want me to create an ACE Then for the afterword-less edition with 212 pages and just delete the page number on this edition?"

No, change it to 219 pages, as I said in comment #18. That is the page count the British National Library gives for this edition with afterword.

ETA Ah, you probably wrote that before you saw my second comment :)

[Melanti]

lethe wrote: "Melanti wrote: "I really have no idea what you guys want me to do here?

Do you want me to create an ACE Then for the afterword-less edition with 212 pages and just delete the page number on this e..."

Ah, yes, I must have been writing mine as you were writing yours.

Link isn't working for me, but I'll take your word for it. (Well, it is working in that it gives title, translator, etc, but nothing else.)

I've updated it to 219.

Jovana, if you want a separate edition with 212 pages and no afterword, just let me know and we can get one set up for you.

[lethe]

Melanti wrote: "Link isn't working for me, but I'll take your word for it. (Well, it is working in that it gives title, translator, etc, but nothing else.)"

The page count is found under the tab 'Details'. I tried to link to it directly, but it reverted to the default view.

Thanks for updating! :)

[Melanti]

The details tab is blank for me. Nothing in it.

[lethe]

#24-25 How odd, it still works for me. The BL works in mysterious ways.