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Andrew Would this be suitable for an advanced 15-year-old reader?

Any violence/drugs/sex? If so, how much?


Silverpiper Complex adult situations, some sex. I would think a 15 year old would be bored. Save it for later.


Andrew I just read it, and I think it's a masterpiece.

But still, thanks for the comment.


Nancy I should think this book is a great novel. I enjoyed reading it . Its theme is adult and rather mature in nature with very thoughtful reflections!


Lobstergirl Fine for an advanced teen reader.


Martin Zook I think any 15 year old will relate to the sniffing of the chair seat scene after the teenage babe vacates it...oh, and the talking turd scene also.

Not sure about the corrections theme, given that correction is such an alien and abstract notion for even the most intellectual of 15 year olds.

But, what the hay. Give it to the kid and let him/her run with it.


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Andrew wrote: "Would this be suitable for an advanced 15-year-old reader?

Any violence/drugs/sex? If so, how much?"


Andrew, here is a wonderful article. It is more than a question of how much sex, what kind of language. I found this fascinating.

http://blogs.bookforum.com/review/201...


Andrew A high school teacher - or principal - didn't start this thread; I am the 15-year-old. I read the novel last summer, and consider it excellent. I have since read his book Freedom, and purchased Strong Motion.

The article you cited makes some good points, but I am in strong opposition to its implication (or, at least, its suggestion) that all teenagers are immature, hormonal, and boisterous young minds who can't appreciate literature or write coherently. As a matter of fact, the current generational gap in America is arguably one of its biggest problems. Sometimes it seems each generation bashes the next - which is a dangerous habit.

I don't at all mean to suggest that your posting this comment, "Ellen," was rude - thanks for the comment, in fact, as I agree there are large flaws in the way American schools teach literature - but when I posted the thread, I was simply wanting to know if the content of this book was too objectionable for me (as I had not yet read it).


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Andrew wrote: "A high school teacher - or principal - didn't start this thread; I am the 15-year-old. I read the novel last summer, and consider it excellent. I have since read his book Freedom, and purchased Str..."

Oh, Andrew, of course you didn't mean that "Ellen" was being rude, or thinks ill of anyone younger than I. I understand precisely what you are saying. However, I was actually thinking of my own experience in school, college, actually, my first exposure to a group of people who had no interest in what was presented to them to read. I always wondered who ruined literature for my peers. It's obviously not something with which you need to concern yourself. I should have been more clear.


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Andrew wrote: "A high school teacher - or principal - didn't start this thread; I am the 15-year-old. I read the novel last summer, and consider it excellent. I have since read his book Freedom, and purchased Str..."

And let me further say, because obviously your comment disturbed me, that as I grew older, I found myself able to read books and articles, such as the one I posted, that held views which differed from my own but made some interesting points nonetheless. You have made yourself quite clear that you consider yourself among the elite. I once thought that of myself. Now I simply think that I have the ability to take in a broad range of ideas, consider what is of value to me and what is not, consider what is missing in my world view and work on amending, if necessary, that view, and live with more equanimity. I had an "elite" schooling experience when I was young, your age, but found out when I reached the broader world of college that not everyone valued the things I had been educated to value myself. I had to synthesize that fact or go mad. I chose to synthesize. So I do not judge, in the sense that you use the word. I do regret that you feel such pressure from agism; although I was your age in the '60's, when the dictum was "Trust no one over 30," I never bought into that. I listened, I engaged, I read. People are individuals and can't be grouped by astrological sign, the four humors, or any of the other methods which have been devised through the centuries. Nor can they be grouped by age. I don't feel a generational gap. I am sorry you suffer from the pressures of it and it was not my intention to heighten that for you.


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