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Who really is Yahweh (The god from the Old Testament) ?
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Oct 25, 2020 07:22AM
Think I've read Julian Jaynes book.... sounds very familiar. In any case, I "talk to myself" often as I'm doing my stuff each day. I don't hear a voice answering me for that--but when I'm asleep, dreaming, I have encounters with people (or a person) on a fairly regular basis, and they certainly talk to "me", and vice versus. (I don't think that's any form of irregular experience). I think we all have multiple "characters" in our mental make-up -- alternate aspects of ourselves, and even of people we interact with regularly. Of course, we don't (as a rule) hear what they might say -- it's still all our own brain ..... unless it isn't. Some people actually can hear other people's thoughts--at least according to the folks who put on stage performances demonstrate from time to time. (Maybe that's genuine.) I don't know.
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Hi,I am really hoping to get a copy of your book on this topic, can you please email it to me? Woodysamantha@gmail.com. I am researching trying to prove this about Yahweh, as the real Creator is Eloah a female all knowing all powerful Goddess and Yahweh abused and restricted her life for awhile forcing power over her and posed as God to many, filling the scriptures with lies about a "father" not Mother and even is behind the story of Jesus which is full of lies as he is not God either and is not the Word. His wife was the Word and God and many knew this and lied about it.
So this I find as an interesting topic. Why? Because I write about this exact thing in my book Upgrading Earth: It Was Never Meant to Be Saved, It Was Always Meant to Be Upgraded!Actually, one well known scholar on Ancient Middle East cultures Michael S. Heizer talks about this quite often and I generally like his thoughts on this. Here is what I have found:
It is recorded in the book of John that Jesus says something to the Saducees and Pharisees something like "nobody has ever seen, nobody has heard the father. Only the son who comes from the father." So it then begs the question? Is it actually the father who is the old testament God? Because, what we read about in the old testament is in fact, this Yahweh having relationship with really all of the world, but selecting a specific group of people out of all the nations to birth something specific with.
What I have found and I write about this is that in fact, Yahweh is the son of God. It is Jesus in spirit form, and Jesus is well, Jesus in fleshly form. There is a lot of evidence to this that I also present and show in the story of answering the question, what is the practical purpose of the earth.
If you have ever seen the animated movie called "Abominable" I see it like this movie. Currently, Christians always see Old Testament = the Father, New Testament = the son. But it's more like, the movie. We see in the movie, the first half of it the majical abominable snowman seems to be the almighty, all-powerful one. The only one. Then, however, mid movie we learn ohhhhhh, he's actually only a baby and he has a family and a more powerful father.
It's like that. It's actually the entire old testament is the story of the son, preparing a way for himself to save the world. It's only half way through (i.e. now the new Testament) we learn, ohhhhh, the God we've been interacting with also has a Father!
So, it really is Yahweh in Spirit = Jesus in the Flesh. Yahweh-Jesus has a father, to which, honestly nobody but the son has ever seen. Though, we know, Jesus reflects the character and nature of the father so we really do know and can have a relationship then with the almighty Abba Father.
Anyhow, my book is a nice read on this if anybody ever likes. :-)
What do you think? Does any of this make sense what I write?
That sounds very Gnostic or Neoplatonist. The actual father is nous, mind, the good, etc.
Does anyone think Yaweh could be a name-changed "Aten"? The point is Aten is the first recorded version (as far as I know) of monotheism, and the Exodus appears to have happened not that much later than the death of Akhenaten, and further, the Jews were slaves in Egypt, and the biggest usage of slaves in one place would have been the construction of Akhenaten's new city in the desert, so they would have been strongly influenced by that religion.
Hyrum wrote: "Sorry for ruining the surprise in your book, but the spoiler will soon be buried in this discussion's comments...I added your book to my want to read list. I want to read it when I'm done writing..."
Very nicely put Hyrum. All of your findings are also all that I have seen when I read the old testament. In the end, it was reading the old testament that I saw such mercy, grace and love from YHWH. He is so patient, but as he always shown, wickedness cannot stand and His judgements were always based on bringing justice to those who were wicked. We would want the same thing in our time now, when wickedness runs rampant. For me it has been clear now more than ever YHWH = JESUS, Jesus = YHWH.
Hebrew is an amazing language. Each letter reveals such depths of a person’s character. Paleo-Hebrew each letter was a symbol meaning something and in modern Hebrew we have this beauty coming out. In Yahweh’s name we have:
יְ Yod: Meaning (Hand, Work, Deed)
ה Heh: Meaning (Window, Lo!, Behold!)
וָֹ Vav (or Waw): Meaning (Hook, Nail)
ה Heh: Meaning (Window, Lo!, Behold!)
When we put these together, we have: I am he who breathes life; behold the nailed hands. We could translate it to the simplest form, that being: Hand Behold! Nail Behold! It’s remarkable to see that the personal name of has a meaning, and in the meaning it tells us—from the beginning—that he would be on the cross with “nailed hands” one day.
Blessings,
Jamie
Most probably the one that is keeping us here in the Matrix World.
Hello Adrian I really really would love to read your book Angel of Death. Could you send it to me? I would greatly appreciate it. Blessing to you!
Adrian wrote: "Hi, Folks.
James allowed me to post here, and I'm more than glad to have the opportunity to interact with people merged in the "Underground Knowledge" world. I have a feeling that this is the plac..."
I was just having a discussion with someone about the stark differences between Old and New Testament God. Perhaps God only.gives us the message that we are ready for... Perhaps more primitive man needed a more disciplined approach. As we evolved or became more aware, we were ready for a more nuanced/deeper message. Never-the-less, that doesn't fully explain the very different 'personalities' presented in Old and New Testaments.
I would love to get your book! Let me know how: protodagg@gmail.com.
James allowed me to post here, and I'm more than glad to have the opportunity to interact with people merged in the "Underground Knowledge" world. I have a feeling that this is the plac..."
I was just having a discussion with someone about the stark differences between Old and New Testament God. Perhaps God only.gives us the message that we are ready for... Perhaps more primitive man needed a more disciplined approach. As we evolved or became more aware, we were ready for a more nuanced/deeper message. Never-the-less, that doesn't fully explain the very different 'personalities' presented in Old and New Testaments.
I would love to get your book! Let me know how: protodagg@gmail.com.
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According to the biblical scholars of the ‘New American Bible,’ “Yahweh [YHWH] is the proper name of the God of Israel signifying ‘I am who am’ (Exodus 3:14–15). It is commonly explained in reference to God as the absolute and necessary Being. It may be understood of God as the Source of all created beings. … The word ‘Jehovah’ arose from a false [mistaken] reading of this name as it is written in the current Hebrew text.” (P. 429). Notice the similarity between the two words ‘Yahweh’ and ‘Jehovah’: so Jehovah is indeed Yahweh.Both Adam and Eve’s story and that of Noah’s flood are derived directly from the ‘Epic Poem of Gilgamesh’: https://uruk-warka.dk/Gilgamish/The%2.... This poem dates back to between 2150 and 2000 BCE (about a thousand years before any biblical book was written) found carved in cuneiform on twelve clay tablets. The author of the first biblical book, Genesis, adapted this poem from a polytheistic setting to a monotheistic one. During this transformation, he made a couple of slips, probably because of a grammatical issue with the Hebrew language: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Elohim. Hence the two strange verses found in Genesis: “God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness’” (Genesis 1:26, KJV) and “The LORD God said, ‘Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know [knowing (NIV)] good and evil,’” (Genesis 3:22, KJV) where God refers to himself in the plural. Possibly also, Genesis’s author intended to use the ‘plural of majesty’: suggesting that God was more than an ordinary being/person.
Now, besides being one of the first nations to switch from polytheism to monotheism, the Hebrews also started believing in a benevolent, forgiving God. The older, pagan gods were all violent, even requiring human sacrifices to appease their anger: or so did the nations that adored them think when things went wrong, as often happens in life—life was never easy. As you probably know, the Bible was written, edited, and re-edited by many authors who had different opinions. Some of them thought it was too good to be true that sinners are simply forgiven by God: they thought that cannot be divine justice. So we get this dual nature of God—a Jekyll-Hyde personality—sometimes he is kind and forgiving, and sometimes he is ruthless (as in Noah’s flood and in the fiery rain on Sodom and Gomorrah) depending on what the then-current author or sub-author thought God’s character should be like. For example, have quick a look at what Nkosmar’s wrote in message 32. From a human standpoint, Nkosmar seems to be balanced and probably right. But is that the way God thinks, or is that the way we WANT our God to be?
I believe one of the reasons God conceived Jesus was to set the scriptures right. And what does Jesus teach us about God? That he is our ‘Father,’ no? And how does a good parent behave when his/her child screws up royally? He/she forgives, as Jesus tells us in the parable of the prodigal son (Like 15:11–32). A good parent loves his/her children unconditionally–no matter what they might do. But that’s not fair, many might retort (as indeed the prodigal son’s brother did). But then Jesus gives us the parable of the unforgiving servant (Matthew 18:21–35): where Jesus compares what we owe God to what people might owe us (10,000 talents compared to 100 denarii). Now, a talent was worth 6,000 denarii and a denarius was a day’s wages for a laborer. So the unforgiving servant owed his master 60,000,000 denarii; that is, about 200,000 years’ wages (6 days a week, 50 weeks a year) compared to a hundred days’ wages someone else owed him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable.... Jesus teaches that God simply forgives TRULY repented sin.
Now, many Christians think that the violence in the Bible is only in the Old Testament. They seem to forget, however, that the last book of the Bible, the book of Revelation, is in the New Testament too. This book portrays Jesus coming a second time on earth as a warrior and conqueror in, supposedly, a final battle where good triumphs over. For example, “I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called ‘Faithful’ and ‘True,’ and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called the ‘Word of God’ [i.e., Jesus]. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, ‘KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS’ [i.e., Jesus]. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, ‘Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of [Roman] captains [tribunes (DR)], and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them [cavalry], and the flesh of all men, both free and bond [slave], both small and great.' And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse [i.e., Jesus], and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse [i.e., Jesus], which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.” (Revelation 19:11–21, KJV). But God is everyone's Father, good or bad, and he uses conviction not force to convert people. Despite, Jesus’s teaching of utter-non-violence, there will always people who think that God’s simply forgiving sin is too good to be true, so did John of Patmos, the author of the book of Revelation. This man was exiled on the penal island of Patmos by the Roman state because of his Christian faith; so he hated the Roman Empire, as many of his time did. It’s a pity this book ended up in the canon of the Christian Bible AFTER Jesus’s utter-non-violence teachings, but in a way it confirms that the Bible is simply a human book in which the various authors honestly 'looked' for God, but they did not always get things right!
This is who I think Yahweh is: Jesus’s real Father, but not exactly as described in the Bible; that is, if one believes in the remote possibility of miracles: namely, that a sperm was donated to a virgin, Mary, by the Holy Spirit. Why do I believe such ‘nonsense’? Only because a contemporaneous skeptic and persecutor of Christianity, Paul/Saul of Tarsus, converted to Christianity; and in one of his ‘undisputed’ (by most biblical scholars) authentic letters declared, “It pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son [Jesus] in [to (ISV)] me, that I might preach him among the heathen” (Galatians 1:15–16, JKV). But then I don’t believe Jesus is also divine/God: he is only a great human being.
And what made Paul convert to Christianity? He himself saw the resurrected Jesus. In another of his undisputedly authentic letters he states, “I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas [Peter—the apostles’ leader], then by the twelve [original apostles]. After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren [Christians] at once, of whom the greater part remain [still live] to the present, but some have fallen asleep [died]. After that He was seen by James [Jesus's brother], then by all the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.” (First Corinthians 15:3–8, NKJV) But that (Jesus's resurrection) is another story. (Saint) Paul’s seven undisputedly authentic letters (and possibly Mark’s—the first written—gospel) are all we have that is reliable in the entire Bible. We don’t even know who wrote the rest (not even Mark's gospel)!
Hi Adrian:
I’m sorry I can’t agree with who you say Yahweh is in your message 30. Would you please be kind enough to refer me to the New Testament speech by Jesus that led you to your conclusion? Maybe I’m missing something!
Regards, Carmel.
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Adrian:Is your name Israel Anderson? If not a fellow by that name is plagiarizing your discovery. I had a brief discussion with the fellow during which he could clearly see that I knew more about the topic than he was comfortable with, so he banned me from commenting. As you say, it's a fascinating thesis, but it's not new and not even all that novel. Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian Science, linked the Yahweh Genesis story in the Bible to her version of the Devil or Satan, for which she had a number of uniquely 19th century terms: Mortal Mind, Aggressive Mental Suggestions, Animal Magnetism, etc.. She was quite clear about there being two Genesis stories, one of which was a fraud. She also noted the significance of Revelation 22 as the counterpoise.
If you are that same Israel Anderson then I apologize, but I really hate plagiarists and name stealers.
Hi Adrian, I am not sure if you are still participating on this page as this post was from many years ago. I would be very interested to get the free copy of your book "Angel of Death" as you offered. If you can get back to me I would be very appreciative. Many thanks :)
Your book prolog blew me away. I came to the conclusion recently that Yahweh is a "lesser god" masquerading as "the creator" to fool humans into worshiping him. He is the god of greed, envy, war, conflict, materialism, etc. His counterpart, Molech the god of child sacrifice, joins him in a cooperative venture to feast on human despair. What god would demand the loyalty test that riddles the old testament? What "creator" would demand his "chosen tribe" commit genocide against innocent populations? The answer is clear once you see Yahweh in a true light. I believe at this point that the message of Jesus was to free us from the grasp of Yahweh, and his son, Lucifer Morningstar. For this, his human form was tortured and killed and his message was bastardized to suit Yahweh's objective. Peter was not the favored apostle, but the least. His descendants destroyed the other churches and formed the Holly Roman Empire bent on conquest and accumulation of wealth. The message of Jesus was clear. Rid yourself of material want. See the bigger picture. You are an angelic being co-creating an experience in this realm. Make the most of it.
Hi Christopher:May I suggest your reading my message 62?
There, I try to sort things out.
I try to show WHY God is portrayed violent in the Bible.
For the same reason, even Jesus is portrayed violent in the Book of Revelation.
The Holy Roman Empire and the Catholic Church are outside the scope of this thread.
Let me just point out, however, that Protestants were 'Catholics' for around 1,500 years before Martin Luther came along—they believed the same things.
What took them so long to separate?
Best regards.
Carmel.
Yahweh is the "good" (in the partisan sense of being on the right side of a conflict) aspect of the Satanic or mimetic cycle. Another more appropriate term is "the Diabolos". He gins up division which is then carried to the extreme of the scapegoat by the Accuser aspect (Satan). This is the meaning of the biblical account. What may be more important than the literary identity of the character is the meaning of the account as a whole, and that's a much longer story. For that story you need to understand the provenance, or what Dave Talbott calls the "provocation" of the gods, and the nature of the "age of gods and wonders." Specifically it was an environment that was nothing like the environment we live in today, and to which it bears not the slightest resemblance. In Isaiah 53, for instance, the Suffering Servant of Yahweh is the planet Mars, and "his stripes" which were perfectly visible to the "prophet" and everyone on Earth at the time, was what we call the Valles Marineris.
BTW, if Mars is the Suffering Servant then the literal identity of Yahweh is the same as the Greek god Chronos or Helios: the planet Saturn, which was once the sun and the center of the previous solar system. Rediscovery of this truth is going to be a bit of a shock.
We're never going to understand the Bible until we get this right.
Hi Scott:Frankly, I don't know what you're talking about in your message 68.
(1) I can't see how "the Suffering Servant of Yahweh is the planet Mars." The Suffering Servant is a biblical, philosophical concept, not a planet.
(2) Nor can I see how "the planet Saturn ... was once the sun and the center of the previous solar system." The mass of the planet Saturn is not even 1% of the mass of the Sun (it is only about 0.03% of the Sun's). Saturn couldn't EVER have been the CENTER of mass-attraction of our solar system.
Perhaps you could recommend me a good book to illumine my ignorance.
Best regards.
Carmel.
Sooo... Is Yahweh synonymous or correlative to Set of Egypt?
The hebrews do worship Set right?
Some say Set is Satan?
What is the relationship between Yahweh and Elohim, or as the arabs say, Allah?
What is the relationship between Yahweh and Shiva the blood thirsty destroyer god? (if any)
What is the relationship between Yahweh and Jacob, or Yacob?
Hi Ausar:Set of Egypt is one of the many gods of ancient Egypt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(de.... He is neither Yahweh nor Satan. As far as I know, the Hebrews never worshipped Egyptian, Roman, Greek or any other gods. They only adored Yahweh, the God of Abraham, whom the West considers as the one true God (the Father).
‘Yahweh,’ ‘Elohim,’ ‘Adonai’ and ‘Allah’ are various names for the same deity. According to the ‘Encyclopaedia Britannica,’ https://www.britannica.com/topic/Yahweh, “Yahweh, [is the] name for the God of the Israelites, representing the biblical pronunciation of YHWH,’ the Hebrew name revealed to Moses in the book of Exodus.” ‘Yahweh’ comes from ‘YHWH’ meaning ‘I am who am’ (Exodus 3:14, DRC)—the original manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible had no vowels or spaces. The encyclopedia continues, “As Judaism became a universal rather than merely a local religion, the more common Hebrew noun Elohim [Gods] (plural in form but understood in the singular), meaning ‘God,’ tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel’s God over all others.” The plural form also conveys the concept that God is more than just an ordinary person: something like the royal ‘we.’
As far as I know, there is no relationship between Yahweh and Shiva; but then I’m not familiar with Hinduism. Yahweh is a creator, Shiva is a destroyer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva, I don’t see much connection/relationship there.
Jacob or Yacob is not a deity; he is the forefather of the Hebrews, Israelites, or Jews. Jacob had twelve male children who gave rise to the twelve tribes of Israel. Jacob’s name was changed to ‘Israel’ by God himself (Genesis 32:28).
Regards,
Carmel.
Danny wrote: "Yahweh is the Father of Jesus.See Acts 3:13 KJV
"The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our
fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus..."
Repent!"
Here is the problem with Acts 3:13 KJV It contradicts everything Christ said about his father, and Luke for God's sake was not even an apostle. The fact that the council of Nicia even allowed Acts proves, that the Bible was compiled incorrectly and is not the word of God. Though it does carry in parts the word of God, but we have Constantine to thank for this confusion. Also, the Bible was not written as one book, so stay humble and repent in Christ not in Yahweh.
Why am I getting notifications for this? It won't show me the group, stupid app. None of these people are real. The bible is fiction and written by modern man. lol toodles.
Aeryka wrote: "Why am I getting notifications for this? It won't show me the group, stupid app. None of these people are real. The bible is fiction and written by modern man. lol toodles."Whether real or fiction, it provides a message that paramount. If you can eliminate the old Yahweh from Christ the Father, even his teachings seem to come from Thoth (Emerald Tablets).
Hi Joseph:May I ask you who you think Jesus's father is?
I believe he was born through his mother, Mary, no?
Hi Aeryka:
This might come as a complete surprise to you.
Jesus is a historical figure—not fictional—he was crucified by the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate, around 30 CE.
Regards,
Carmel.
I'm sure he may have been a real person but he was just that. A person. Messiah, God, Savior, whatever.. that's all fictional :)
Hi Aeryka:I agree with you more than I disagree. I don’t believe Jesus is ‘God’ or that he is the ‘Savior’ of the World. And I do agree with you that he was mythologized by his followers: like Robin Hood or Zorro.
Regarding ‘Messiah,’ however, the Hebrew word ‘Mashiah’ means ‘Anointed One’; in Greek it translates to ‘Christos,’ from which we get the words ‘Christ’ (Jesus the Christ) and ‘Christians.’ In ancient Judaism, “persons who were anointed had been elected, designated, appointed, given authority, qualified, and equipped for specific offices and tasks related to these”: https://www.biblestudytools.com/dicti... like kings, priests, and ‘prophets’ (in the sense of one who speaks for God). You cannot deny that, currently, there are approximately 2.4 billion people following this person (one way or another) worldwide; not to mention those followers who have died in the last two millennia.
You don’t seem to care much about these things, and I don’t want to drag into the discussion or shove my opinion down your throat. But since you claim to be a Philomath, yet you don’t seem to be too sure that Jesus was a real person, you might be interested in reading a book written by a self-declared ‘agnostic-atheist’ and New Testament scholar Bart Denton Ehrman entitled, ‘Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth’ (ISBN: 9780062204608).
Best Regards,
Carmel.
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Hello Adrian. I am not sure if you are still around. I have some questions for you. My father studied the bible for 24 years, and figured some things out. I have a good feeling that you may also have figured out some of these things as he has. Who he believed Yahweh to be, and who he believed God to be. I would really like to talk to you. He passed away June 29, 2023, and I found a book that he was writing called "The Bluprint to the Truth Series" He typed it back in 2007. Please get a hold of me if you are still around. My father was the smartest man I knew, and yet I didn't understand him back then, and I was just a child when he discovered this truth. I am trying to find people who may have discovered what he had. He was all alone, and I don't believe he ever found anyone who was at his level.
Finally, a chat about the Old Testament!Everyone tries to get rid of the OT due to the NT
Is it Ok if I refer to him as The Creator, Most High, or Jahweh?
You know what is strange is that many miss about how the creation of man comes about. Or rather by who. "Let us make man in OUR image. Let Us make them Male AND Female."Divine Masuline and Divine Feminine. God/Godess as one. I believe that is what what partnership especially marriage is meant as and holds the power of the greatest connection, partnership, pleasure, and respect, and love. That this us where two become one then becomes one with divinity. To CoCreate (made in the image of the creator), not above god as evil attempts to do out of alignment, but as experiencing mutually together with and being partner with divinity. Going to post a song to go along with this if that os ok if not i can remove it. Its calked Aloha Ke Akua. The linre in it is Aloha Ke Akua Kuleana. As best can be translated, since it is an action and way of being really, The love of God in Mutual resposibility and experience in that divinity. The artist actually owns one of my paintings so i had a joke with him about one of the lines and asked "Well, what if I am a particle made up of miracles, eh?"
https://youtu.be/YsgP8LkEopM?si=kKBa6...
*typos in my other comment/typical of me/lolSo any grammar nazis hold your peace,Lol
One more thing about a line in the song. It sounds like "of all the gods and what they have planned for us" it is because of his accent it sounds as such but i have confirmed directly from the artist that it is "of all the guides" at that juncture. The rest makes sense too.
Heres one I made up. I dont need Credit just spread it:"CoCreate a Great Day."
Someone says have a good day I say No Im goint to create one. You do the same. And if you believe in divinity CoCreate one because divinity picks up all the little details we missed.
I have a son that is about some similiar as the main topic also if I am allowed to share that as well. I dont play professionally anymore nor want to so it isnt promotion it is sharing:
https://youtu.be/Iy8KIXjoq1s?si=REgar...
*song not son though I guesss creations are like our children created together
Ps, I have had three NDEs in the last one I learned hearing energy and divine energy communicated, not in words it isnt like that, its almost like telepathy sort of. Though it is easily translated into words, here is that message:"Everything has always been alright, Everything will always be alright, And Everything is alright right Now."
And that felt and feels like one with all that exists. Indescribable.
Adrian wrote: "Hi, Folks.James allowed me to post here, and I'm more than glad to have the opportunity to interact with people merged in the "Underground Knowledge" world. I have a feeling that this is the plac..."
Hi Adrian
It is significant that the word 'Yahweh' is not supposed to be spoken out loud. It refers to a phenomenon that cannot be conceived and for which any name would be misleading. As for who he (she/it) is, when he sends a message to the tribes in the OT and is asked by the messenger who he should say sent it, he replies 'Tell them "I AM" sent it'. This may be the clearest clue in the entire Bible as to the identity of Yahweh, God and Brahman.
Peter, great point! The Tetragrammaton right?
Anyone have any opinions of the gnostic view of YHWH as being a lesser deity and different from 'God the father' of the NT? I struggle to grapple with the idea of Sophia or Wisdom (especially keeping in mind what wisdom literally means and being a cardinal virtue) bringing this deity into existence through error, resulting in the material world, as is the Gnostic view. The very heart of it appears to be a contradiction but I think its fascinating to consider.
Allie:See above. We spoke a great deal about this earlier in the convo! Lots of good stuff.
Glad to have you here!
My. guess is Yahweh is either Egyptian (not Set - he brought destruction and only defended against chaos) or Anu (king of the Sumerian Pantheon. Given a lot of the early old testament effectively borrowed a lot of what we know of Sumerian religion, I tend to favour the last. (The Great Flood is strongly represented in The Epic of Gilgamesh.) Such floods would probably not appear in Egyptian texts.I can't resist this aside, sorry. This may annoy everyone :-). In my novel "Athene's Prophecy" I propose that the Cristus was real, but the story really is misrepresented, and in particular, Constatine could never let this through.
What happened, in this assumed sequence, is Pilate was getting sick of all the "sons of God" that were appearing - there were apparently about 350 of them before Cristus - and he felt he had to put an end to this. His method was simple: he was going to give the Jews their Messiah. So he arrested the nearest he could find who was not a rebel against Rome, let the. Jews try him, and had Cristus crucified. The idea that Pilate was afraid of the Jews is nonsense. Once before they got stroppy, so Pilate called a big meeting and infiltrated the audience with two cohorts disguised and carrying clubs. On Pilate's signal, the cohorts got stuck in, breaking bones quite brutally
Anyway, back to the crucifixion. As described, real crucifixions were nothing like that. The victim was hoisted up, attached with the three standard military nails hammered through bones in the. arms and legs. At the end of the. day, if mercy was offered, a Centurion would approach a victim with a large mallet and smash the legs, or the knees. The bodies would be left to hang around until the crows picked the bones clean.
So what actually happened? After about an hour or so, Cristus was declared dead, carted off to a tomb and a large stone was put over it. Leaving aside the "declared dead" (No Centurion would disobey Pilate's orders on this matter.) where did this tomb come from? Or the large stone The only people capable of organizing that were the Roman soldiers. That sort of crucifixion would be survivable after that brief time on the cross, and if Cristus actually died, Pilate would eventually find another victim.
You may not like that, but at the least it helped my plot in the novel quite a bit
hi, I hope you can still see this and it's not too late but I am really interested in your book. I want to know if it is still available to read. would really appreciate it, I've been on a search for the real truth because the bible and christianity doesn't make any sense to me
how can I get this book if it is still available
It is an ebook on Amazon. However, I should add that this issue is not the main objective. First, it is science fiction. Second I was trying to show some things that don't make sense in general. There is even a bit of near plagiarization. In a meeting with Caligulae (he did have two feet!) I copied the events as documented by Philo of Alexandria almost word for word, but translated because they show what the man waas really like, and it is far from what everyone usually accuses Caligulae of. The basic plot at the last third is that our MC is given command of the first cohort of a legion in Damascus, and was given the task of ensuring control of Judaea. The place was a ferment of religion.
Ian wrote: "I thought Judaism was monotheistic."It is now. There seems to be a progression from animism to polytheism to monotheism. The book which I linked uses linguistics and theological analysis to argue that Judaism arose as a breakaway sect of the Canaanite religion.
That means when the Israelites crossed over the river Jordan and started wiping out the Canaanites living there, they were killing off their own cousins. Imagine if the Protestant Reformation involved Martin Luther calling for genocide.
If you accept the Exodus, in a somewhat reduced. fashion, the monotheism may have come from Egypt, specifically from Akhenaten, who is usually recognized as being the first advocate of one God.
Does anyone else find it interesting that many angels have seven letters in their name such as Lucifer, Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael? And so does the name Jehovah and Messiah. Could it be that the Jews who wrote 24 of the Bible's 66 books including Genesis where the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil was forbidden to eat was because knowing the truth changes everything? Check out this post: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Shawn wrote: "Does anyone else find it interesting that many angels have seven letters in their name such as Lucifer, Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael? And so does the name Jehovah and Messiah. Could it be that the..."Do the names consist of seven characters when written in Hebrew or even Aramaic?
He‘s Jehova, THE god, it’s his name
pearly-kah wrote: "He‘s Jehova, THE god, it’s his name"No, English didn't exist when the Torah was written. Jehovah is the Hebrew word "יהוה" (Yahweh) after being run through Greek, Latin, and then English.
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