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May 09, 2017 01:09PM
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I have a question for you all. Am I suppose to assume Lymond is bisexual? Because on page 207 of the Vintage copy "Erskine did not see with whom he went home,", which I am assuming it was d'Enghien or Marguerite.
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That is very possible. Well, either way it is nice to see that diversity, and it brings another layer to Lymond. Plus I am sure it happened in court all the time. :)
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yes, it is all political with Lymond though, a bargain for influence or information, the woman in Dieppe or the favorites of the French court, there is no emotion involved. He forms strong friendships but no romantic attachments. I blame Margaret Lennox .
Well, it is still nice to see the fluidity of sexuality.
Lmao. I found a non-fiction novel about her. I wonder what her real story is about.
Lmao. I found a non-fiction novel about her. I wonder what her real story is about.
Hi Giki - I always blamed Margaret Lennox too. I also agree with Renee's comment - about 1964 Historical Fiction, and Alex's about the subtlety.
Alex Farrand wrote: "Well, it is still nice to see the fluidity of sexuality."it is - It is another of the great things about this series.
Margaret Lennox is quite a character, Strong, ruthless, survivor - I am sure she could be the hero of a different story, I don't know much about her but she strikes me as one of those in-between women of history (like her great grandmother Margaret Beaufort in the century before) who fought hard to position their family close to the throne.
Agree. She is a stronger woman, and I would love to learn more about her. I think after I read about Mary, I'll check out that book from the library.
Maybe I'll add books that I find or anyone else finds in our Read folder. Just in case anyone is interested. There are plenty of interesting figures in these novels. There is so much I want to learn!
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I'll make a thread soon for any recommendations. 😊
great idea - fiction/non-fiction, anything relevant, I think we read because we want to understand other worlds - a great book always leaves you wanting to know more
Alex Farrand wrote: "I have a question for you all. Am I suppose to assume Lymond is bisexual? Because on page 207 of the Vintage copy "Erskine did not see with whom he went home,", which I am assuming it was d'Enghien..."Sexual fluidity, as someone suggested. Margaret ruined him, then the galleys where he fought (for his honor maybe). He uses sex for his own purposes--to save his friends, to gain information, to plant seeds of doubt....whatever. I like that DD did this--usually it is women who use sex, in novels but here we have a male, clearly conversant in a variety of sexual roles--and willing to do what is needed. There are times when it is clear that he finds some partners fairly repugnant.
Very good point! I like that thought.
Judith wrote: "I like that DD did this--usually it is women who use sex, in novels but here we have a male, clearly conversant in a variety of sexual roles--and willing to do what is needed."That is a great insight Judith - I had never thought of it like that before!
Judith wrote: "Margaret ruined him, then the galleys where he fought (for his honor maybe). He uses sex for his own purposes--."Just think of it: a beautiful, slender boy thrown in with the dregs of the earth... the most logical way to survive would be to align himself with another prisoner strong enough to protect him. There was only one way to repay that protection. It still happens all the time in prisons now, human nature indicates it would have happened then too.
DD has said in an interview that Francis' sexual preference was probably heterosexual, but life had forced him to use whatever tools were available (himself!) to survive or accomplish a goal.
That is a good point too, Mary.
Well, if DD said it......must be true.
Alex Farrand wrote: "Maybe I'll add books that I find or anyone else finds in our Read folder. Just in case anyone is interested. There are plenty of interesting figures in these novels. There is so much I want to learn!"I recently acquired The Lost Tudor Princess - A Life of Lady Margaret Douglas by Alison Weir - still sitting on the shelf though!
Nice! I think I am going to take it from the library soon. She sounds like an interesting lady.
She had a very interesting life, for sure!
