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May 18, 2017 01:56PM
Yes! I cried when the Suriel died!
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I finished it last night and I had so much feels during my reading the story was amazing and I loved it Same I cried when the Suriel died does it makes me a bad person if I say that I actually really liked him ?
No. In all honesty, he was one of my favorite characters.
And I didn't expect him to die at all so after I read the scene I just stare at my book because I couldn't believe it
Me too but I cry a lot during that book so once more or once less is not a big deal at that point
I cried a whole lot. Sarah gave me a heart attack when Rhys 'died'. I could hear the sobs coming from my mouth. Lol!
That scene just broke me I wasn't able to keep reading for several minutes because of that
Janet! OMG! Yes yes yes! I totally agree with you! I was so so angry at her! It's so cruel for Az. I don't care if she's bi. Fine. Great. I just want to scream at her: DEVELOP LADY BALLS AND TELL THE GUY YOU WILL.NEVER LOVE HIM THAT WAY! Mor is the kind of friend I'd kill to have, but she's being very cruel with my babe. And... I seriously need somebody loving Azriel more than life!
Noris wrote: "Janet! OMG! Yes yes yes! I totally agree with you! I was so so angry at her! It's so cruel for Az. I don't care if she's bi. Fine. Great. I just want to scream at her: DEVELOP LADY BALLS AND TELL T..." I agree but put yourself in her shoes. I think mor even though she has not been living in the court of nightmares still has that mentality that what she really feels is bad and is afraid of how the others would react. Look how she was she had to see her dad and her ex-fiance. Even though it has been hundreds of years since the incident occurred she still is that terrified young girl around them.
Brittany wrote: "Noris wrote: "Janet! OMG! Yes yes yes! I totally agree with you! I was so so angry at her! It's so cruel for Az. I don't care if she's bi. Fine. Great. I just want to scream at her: DEVELOP LADY BA..."Okay, but honestly, Mor doesn't have to reveal anything she doesn't wish to reveal to anyone. There is no law that she has to divulge to her friends what her preferences are. But, to NOT cut Azriel loose when she has known for a very long time that she doesn't or will never love him...THAT is just wrong!
And her friends are like the least judgmental of people! I think it's a very poor excuse. Maybe it's more of a control/power thing with her and these two guys. I mean, seriously... Did you see how jealous she got about Nesta paying any attention to Cassian? And I don't think it was just her way of being protective of a friend. It runs deeper than that.
After this big conversation I now want Sarah to write a book for Mor. Maybe we can learn more about her. Go deeper into her character.
Yeah I don't really know how to feel about Mor I love her character but I found her behaviour toward Cassian Azriel and Nesta a bit unfair but she's an really interesting character with an hard back story so now I'm waiting to know the evolution of her character now we know more about her
Literally having just finished, chapters 76 and 77 ripped my heart right out of my body!! Thank goodness nobody was around to see what a sobbing mess I became!There's so many ways forward that this story can go so I'm pleased that there'll be more to come even if it doesn't feature heavily on Feyre and Rhysand!
One really random, minor question I have is about Rhysand's mystery clothier (p.464 paperback)...has it really been Alis all along, and is she still safe in the Summer court???
Ohh I don't mean that way! Sorry! I understand that many homo/bi people have hard time trying to admit their sexual preferences and it's ok. I reaaaaally understand it. Even if it would be good to tell Az she's bi, she doesn't have to. She just needs to tell him that she can't loves him back, not that way. Why? TBH, Mor's actions are confusing to Az like «ok, she freaks out when someone means to hurt me»... but then «she bedded another person?» but «she doesn't care for.them» so «what, she loves me or not?» and then «why doesn't she say anything?» See? That would confused anyone! And it has been this way for 5 hundred years! Not fair mes amis! She just need to tell him she doesn't love him, that's it.
What it hurts me the most is that Mor's lack of talking about it makes Az think that the reason it's because he's a bastard. I can't with that.
If you love a friend (platonically), your hurt him/her with truth, not with lies or truths unspoken
Agreed. She shouldn't keep leading him on like that. If she loves him she should tell him. Even if she doesn't tell the rest of the Dream Court.
Simona wrote: "I've been rereading ACOWAR and wanted to comment on the scene where all of the high lords are assembled to discuss the threat of Hybern. Did anyone else wish that they could've been a fly on the wa..."YEEEES! That scene was so freaking great. There was so much action, so many different characters assembled in one place. Hellion and Kallias, and then freaking Tamlin, and when Azriel freaked and Feyre took his hand, I just LOVED IT!!!
Simona wrote: "I've been rereading ACOWAR and wanted to comment on the scene where all of the high lords are assembled to discuss the threat of Hybern. Did anyone else wish that they could've been a fly on the wa..."I thought we were flies on the walls already.
That was my favorite scene in the whole book!
Hey! So what I think you are asking about this scene is why Rhysand reacts this way and if it is important. Rhys, I think, realizes that Feyre's mating gift to him is something to do with helping in the war. I think he understands it once he sees the tattoo made from the bargain. I don't have my book with me right now so I could be totally off but this is my answer! I dont know if this helps or not!
Simona wrote: "Hi Everyone!I've been rereading ACOWAR and I have a question about a particular scene towards the end of the book. In this scene, Feyre and Rhysand are about to engage in the final battle against ..."
I'm pretty sure that it shows her bargain with Byraxis (idk if that's how you spell it). Night court bargains show up in tattoos (like the one on Feyre's forearm), and directly after she says that, Rhys is all like, me to! And then brings out the weaver.
Catie wrote: "Simona wrote: "Hi Everyone!I've been rereading ACOWAR and I have a question about a particular scene towards the end of the book. In this scene, Feyre and Rhysand are about to engage in the final ..."
Yeah, I agree with Catie. I think that's what happened.
Simona wrote: "Hi Everyone!I've been rereading ACOWAR and I have a question about a particular scene towards the end of the book. In this scene, Feyre and Rhysand are about to engage in the final battle against ..."
I thought that it had something to do with staying with Rhys for the rest of her life. I also thought that the deal with Bryaxis added a solid band to her High Lady tattoo. I dont exactly remember what the tattoo youre talking about was but I am pretty sure its is that she will never be apart from him again (as she was when she was in the Spring Court)
Simona wrote: "Hi Everyone,Thanks for all the responses to my question. Here is the actual quote:
"I never got you a mating present," I said.
Rhys monitored the battle ahead. His power rumbled beneath us, surg..."
I was also a bit confused at this part, but I thought the tattoo was supposed to be a symbol of her control over the Bone Carver and Bryaxis. Because if you read a few lines lower, it says "For standing before Hybern were the Bone Carver and the living nest of shadows that was Bryaxis, the former contained and freed in a Fae body by myself last night. Both bound to obey by the simple bargain now inked onto my spine. 'I did.'"
So I think the tattoo inked on her spine is a symbol of her attachment to the creatures that serves as her gift to Rhys -the fact that he doesn't have to sacrifice so much of himself to the war because she found these death creatures to shoulder some of his burden.
Also, did anybody find the ending a little too happy? I mean, SJM spends most of the novel ranting about Hybern's army size and suddenly (without much logic in my opinion), everything comes together with Tamiln, Beron, the humans, Miryam and Drakon, the queen, and the Archeron's father. I mean, I was hoping for some story about the queen and father at least to figure out how exactly that whole bargain worked out...While I knew this would totally turn me into a sobbing mess, I was actually hoping somebody important and good would die to make the story more meaningful (I don't count the father as one because he was basically nonexistent for the entire story). I was expecting a lot more betrayals by trustworthy people and none of it happened (only betrayals from Hybern's side which seemed to make the story's resolution a bit unrealistic--I mean I expected Tamlin's, but Jurian's too?). Maybe this is really cruel, but I actually hoped Amren had really betrayed them in the end. It would have shown more of her monster character that seems nonexistent for this novel.
Speaking of Amren, does anybody know what happened at this part when we thought she betrayed them? Why didn't she say the spell until Feyre returned from her trip in the Cauldron? Did she want Feyre to have a look at the battle or was she just unsure about sacrificing herself?
Honestly I'm just glad we have some more books left in the series! Two novellas and 3 more books? (Correct me if I'm wrong) 😬🤞
Erin Elizabeth wrote: "Honestly I'm just glad we have some more books left in the series! Two novellas and 3 more books? (Correct me if I'm wrong) 😬🤞"Same! I would've been so sad if the series just totally ended. If that would've happened, I don't know what I would do D:
Hiba wrote: "To be honest, I feel so torn between an Elucien ship and the Elriel ship. Don't get me wrong, I love them both so much but the thing is in the book Rhys explained to Feyre that you can't really r..."
Basically my opinion on these characters.
I think it would be cool to see an example of a rejected mating bond in the upcoming trilogy.
Plus I really like Elriel.
Hiba wrote: "There's also something I'm very confused. Why would SJM make Lucien and Elain mates but then make Az and Elain seem right for each other?
Is anyone else confused as I am or do you have an explan..."
Drama and angst for book four.
And love triangle.
I hope it isn't a love triangle! I really like Elain and Azriel together though. But then I really like Lucien so I don't want him to be miserable either. Urghhh I wish Sarah had just made Azriel and Elain mates
In all of Sarah's books so far the first guy doesn't get the girl. So is that Lucien? Is that Greyson? Who knows. Lucien is my favorite secondary character so I'd like to see him happy.
@Christa Maybe she did that because so far every single characters in her books that had mates end up falling in love with each other but she told us that not every mating bond is a right one so maybe it's a way to prove us that with 3 characters we know and love honestly I just want them all happy
Naoé wrote: "@Christa Maybe she did that because so far every single characters in her books that had mates end up falling in love with each other but she told us that not every mating bond is a right one so ma..."That's a good point and one I've wondered about. I really like all three characters and I'm glad their story will get told. I love the idea of choosing someone over a mating bond. When the king "broke" Feyre and Rhys's bond, I thought they would be "screw you Tamlin, we pick each other anyway."
I know Azriel/Elain is popular and I can really see why, but at the end of ACOWAR Azriel still doesn't know about Mor. We know why it won't work, but he's been hung up on her for hundreds of years. It will make for an interesting book to see how Azriel deals with it all.
I just hope Azriel doesn't get emotionally damaged, in general, and in doing so ruins the relationship between him and Mor (or just the Court of Dreams in general). What if in him finding out so does the rest of the Court. (I feel like it would be really hard to ruin the relationship in the Court if Dreams so maybe we don't need to worry about it. Who knows?) I'm not saying the Court would be upset with Mor, I'm just saying that now she has to deal with the fact she didn't tell her closest family. And of course we don't know how they'd react.
I feel like Azriel's not he kind of person to do this, but who knows, maybe in feeling horrible about Mor he might be drawn to Elain now that he knows how Mor feels (probably not in a rebound way since it's Azriel).
As for Lucien, he is one of my favorite characters. I'd hate to see Elain taken from him since he so strongly believes in the mating bond and tried to make a relationship with Elain. If Azriel and Elain become a thing in the theory that the mating bond might be rejected, I hope Lucien will be able to find a new love interest.
@Christa Personally for now I don't have a favorite couple between Ariel/Elain and Lucien/Elain maybe because I feel like they need time all of them to accept everything that happened because let's be honest even if Azriel probably won't be mad at Mor because I love her anyway and he accept her as she is like the rest of the Inner Circle I think he will need some times to think about his feelings and Elain is the one who had the the most issues about her becoming a Fae since she was supposed to marry a Human etc and Lucien also had a hard time with running away from the Spring Court since Tamlin was supposed to be his friend so I think that before we see more romance they need to move on from their past but I guess we'll have to wait and see what will happen
I know heaps of people are upset with how Mor hasn't told Az yet, and how her personality changed in this book, but to be quite honest I liked her as much as I did in ACOMAF and she still remains my third fav character (behind feyre nd Rhys). I know it was wrong to not tell Az but she was scared of what would happen, and scared of what the people she cared about most would think. Anyway I just see where shes coming from although I do wish she had told Az, but then thered be less drama now so...
Emma wrote: "I know heaps of people are upset with how Mor hasn't told Az yet, and how her personality changed in this book, but to be quite honest I liked her as much as I did in ACOMAF and she still remains m..."My problem with this situation with Mor is not so much what she thought her friends would think of her...I think it's a poor excuse to be honest. She doesn't need to reveal anything she doesn't want to reveal but it's not right to play with someone else's affections while you're bedding other people. It's just wrong what she's done to Azriel and she has not one bit of shame for it. She can sleep around all she wants but she should tell him what the deal is. If she truly loved Azriel she'd cut him lose.
Kaylee wrote: "I just hope Azriel doesn't get emotionally damaged, in general, and in doing so ruins the relationship between him and Mor (or just the Court of Dreams in general). What if in him finding out so do..."Azriel is already emotionally screwed up and that is what upsets me the most because Mor has had a direct hand in screwing with his feelings for the past 500 years! I am praying that Azriel can find someone...even if it ends up being Elain to love him and care for him. And I don't see Elain being as selfish as Mor who I have totally lost all respect for. And after she told Feyre she likes the way things are between the trio (Azriel/Mor/Cassian) and wishes for them to remain as they are...I say, screw you, Mor! You're too danged selfish!
Mor is leaving Az on the hook. At the same time, it's been how many years and Az hasn't got the hint.
It's just awkward for everyone.
But I'm inclined to dislike Mor. Set him free.
Yes, I definitely agree, Mor needs to tell Az and the rest of her friends how she feels. And even though she clearly stated that she doesn't love Azriel that way, I can't help but think that there is something else behind this. There has to be a reason she's led Azriel on all of these years and never accepted or denied his love for her. I feel like there has to be another reason, and we all know how many layers SJ Maas has to her stories.Also, I feel like Lucien and Vassa will become a thing, and then there will just be a huge love blob with Lucien, Elain, Azriel, Mor, and Vassa. I am NOT looking forward to that.
Hi! I know that this discussion was made days ago but I was finally able to buy the book this Sunday and I finished it early Monday. We had a blackout in my area so I had to read a majority of the book with a flashlight (cries). I am just dying to know if anyone else is questioning the part where Feyre and Nesta are in the library and Feyre is finally asking Nesta why has she only cared for Elain but Nesta never got to finish her answer. Do you guys think that will be answered in the upcoming books or has it already been answered and I am just missing something. I love how the Archeron sisters were able to come together in the end, but a part of me hurts for Feyre that she had to almost die saving one sister for the other to fully except her. What do you guys think? Is it because Nesta knew Feyre was strong and Elain wasn't???? My mind is exploding.
Sejal wrote: "Yes, I definitely agree, Mor needs to tell Az and the rest of her friends how she feels. And even though she clearly stated that she doesn't love Azriel that way, I can't help but think that there ..."First off, I LOVED LOVED LOVED the series. Just read all three books and thought they were amazing. Starting the other one as soon as I get it from the library. Feyre/Rhysand were adorable, and I cannot wait to read Neesa/Cassian.
I agree about the potential for a "love blob." I really like that ACOWAR had more diversity than the previous books and that it included a major character. And with all respect to how hard it is to tell your friends such a difficult, personal thing as your sexuality... 500 years is a long time for Mor to not say something to Az.
With regards to the rest of the love-blob, I dunno. I don't see a ton of spark between Elain and either Lucien or Az. The abrupt shift in the writing makes me wonder if Az/Mor was the original intent, and was only changed in response to there being not so much diversity earlier in the series, but it just suddenly feels like we went from this really potentially juicy Az/Mor thing that's been brewing for 500 years to El/Lucien or Az/Elain or Vassa/Lucien and, none of which have as much oomph. And beyond that, Lucien has been the whipping boy for so long :(
I finished this book at 1:30 in the morning, and cried my whole way through the last chapters of the book. I NEVER cry at books, but I got so attached to all the characters I couldn't help myself! I loved every minute of it, and I can't even wrap my head around everything that happened.
I've just finished rereading ACOWAR, and my friend made a very good point yesterday about that there feels like something was missing in this. Like, there was a lot possibly taken out during editing. Also, instead of different point of views, it's kind of sloppily written from Feyre perspective most of them time. For example, the scenes where Feyre gets transported with the cauldron, and her travelling through the battle field and watching Elain and Nesta kill the king, it seems very forced and could of been done a lot smoother if written from some other characters perspectives, so I don't know why Sarah J Maas wouldn't do that.
More Lucien is definitely one the best things about ACOWAR! I would say he and Elain would be better off in the end, as even though mates don't always end up together I feel like rejecting the bond would cause too much pain for both of them. Azriel just needs to sort out his priorities first and his love for Mor before beginning another relationship and considering how Mor has been leading him on for centuries it's definitely going to take a while. Honestly I feel really bad for Azriel, like he has already suffered so much and being rejected on top of all of that all is going to be very hard:(
Well I'm just waiting something between Cassian and Nesta. (NESSIAN)
I think I know who Vassa's captor is. On pg. 497-498 Jurian says they (other human queens) found an old death-lord above the wall on the continent. Earlier in the book on pg. 239-240 the bone carver says his siblings are death-gods and his brother was bound to a little lake on the continent. Which we later find out from Elain on pg. 337 that Vassa's captor keeps her and the others he's captured at a lake.
I think Lucien and Elain will be endgame in the end. In acowar Rhys give some hints about it and Elain was really worried when Lucien left to go to search for the queen. I love Azriel and I think feyre really likes the idea of her sister being with him and that might happen. Maybe Elain will reject the mating bond but she will always be connected to Lucien even if she doesn't want to
