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Damien Black | 8 comments I was wondering if anyone knows how knights and other soldiers felt about the changes to armour during the 14th century/Hundred Years War? Are there records of any 'old timers' balking at the introduction of plate armour ('I'm not wearing that, it's too heavy and stiff to fight properly' 'Think I'll stick to my trusty mail hauberk, thanks' etc etc)

I write quasi-historical fantasy and I'd be really interested to know if there is anything like this on record: I know that later on old sword masters kicked up a huge storm with the introduction of the rapier from Italy... Just wondered if there was anything similar for developments made to armour during the Late Middle Ages


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Damien Black | 8 comments Just to clarify, I'm obviously aware that the transition from chain to plate was a gradual one, starting with the addition of vambraces and greaves and culminating in the suits of full plate seen from the 15th century onwards...


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Scipio Africanus (scipioafricanus) | 8 comments interesting question. I'd imagine plate armor was a luxury and a coveted piece of tech at the time. I'm sure most would have wanted to get there hands on it if they could, but as with anything new there are always old school cynics who refuse to adapt.


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Scipio Africanus (scipioafricanus) | 8 comments their*


message 5: by Damien (new)

Damien Black | 8 comments Dean wrote: "interesting question. I'd imagine plate armor was a luxury and a coveted piece of tech at the time. I'm sure most would have wanted to get there hands on it if they could, but as with anything new ..."
Yeah, I'm thinking of working in a scene in a later book in my series where they start to develop plate armour, and have some knights take to it and others refuse... Just to add another splash of colour to my fantasy epic!


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Ruth Feiertag | 15 comments Damien,

What research have you done on this topic? I found the articles below that might help. I can't vouch for their accuracy as this isn't my area.

http://www.medievalwarfare.info/armou...

http://medieval.stormthecastle.com/es...

http://www.themiddleages.net/armor.html

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/arms...

http://web.ceu.hu/medstud/manual/SRM/...

http://www.medievalists.net/tag/armour/

https://www.academia.edu/12069389/The...

Google Scholar came up with this bibliography:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl...

Here is a VERY limited sampling of a search I did on Academic Search Premier through our local library:

Development of arms and armor in medieval Tuscany evolved from chain mail to steel plate.
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Periodical
By: Role, Raymond E. Military History. Dec2003, Vol. 20 Issue 5, p82-86. 3p. 1 Color Photograph.
Subjects: ARMOR; SWORDS; MIDDLE Ages; WEAPONS; MILITARY personnel; TUSCANY (Italy); ITALY; Iron and Steel Mills and Ferroalloy Manufacturing; Metal Kitchen Cookware, Utensil, Cutlery, and Flatware (except Precious) Manufacturing; Cutlery and hand tool manufacturing; DE Dufort, Guillaume; MALSPINA, Galeotto

Range of motion and energy cost of locomotion of the late medieval armoured fighter: A proof of concept of confronting the medieval technical literature with modern movement analysis.
Detail Only Available
Academic Journal
By: Jaquet, Daniel; Bonnefoy Mazure, Alice; Armand, Stéphane; Charbonnier, Caecilia; Ziltener, Jean-Luc; Kayser, Bengt. Historical Methods. Jul-Sep2016, Vol. 49 Issue 3, p169-186. 18p. 6 Charts, 2 Graphs. DOI: 10.1080/01615440.2015.1112753.

The Trouble with Armor.
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Periodical
By: Moyer, Michael. Scientific American. Oct2011, Vol. 305 Issue 4, p25-25. 1/2p. 1 Color Photograph.
Subjects: MEDIEVAL armor; OXYGEN consumption (Physiology); PHYSIOLOGICAL research


Academic Journal
By: Richardson, Thom. Arms & Armour. Apr2012, Vol. 9 Issue 1, p25-39. 15p. DOI: 10.1179/1741612411Z.0000000004.
Subjects: ARMOR -- History; ARMOR making; MEDIEVAL armor; ARMORERS; ARMORIES; TOOLS -- History; FORGE shops -- Equipment & supplies; HISTORY; TOWER of London (London, England); Commercial and Institutional Building Construction; National Security; Industrial Design Services; Saw Blade and Handtool Manufacturing; Cutlery and hand tool manufacturing; Power-Driven Handtool Manufacturing; Hardware Stores; Iron and Steel Mills and Ferroalloy Manufacturing; GREAT Britain; 14TH century

MEDIEVAL ARMOR Plated Perfection. (cover story).
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Periodical
By: Clements, John. Military History. Jul2005, Vol. 22 Issue 4, p38-44. 7p. 3 Color Photographs, 3 Black and White Photographs.
Subjects: ARMOR; MIDDLE Ages; KNIGHTS & knighthood; BATTLE of Poitiers, France, 1356; PROTECTIVE clothing; Iron and Steel Mills and Ferroalloy Manufacturing; ACCOLTI, Benedetto

I include this one because it cracked me up:
Your Barbie Can Now Slay in a Suit of Medieval Armor.
Periodical
By: Goldberg, Hannah. Time.com. 7/19/2014, p1-1. 1p.
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I hope this gets you started.

Ruth


message 7: by Damien (new)

Damien Black | 8 comments Ruth wrote: "Damien,

What research have you done on this topic? I found the articles below that might help. I can't vouch for their accuracy as this isn't my area.

http://www.medievalwarfare.info/armou...
..."
Wow, thanks Ruth! That's fantastic - I'll be sure to take a look :)


message 8: by Ruth (new)

Ruth Feiertag | 15 comments You're welcome, Damien. I trust you'll work in a mention of a Barbie in Armour in your book. Please keep us updated about how it is coming along.

Ruth


message 9: by Damien (new)

Damien Black | 8 comments Ruth wrote: "You're welcome, Damien. I trust you'll work in a mention of a Barbie in Armour in your book. Please keep us updated about how it is coming along.

Ruth"
I will! But I warn you as a high fantasy author, if I do Barbie in Armour I'll just be accused of copying the Eowyn character from Lord of the Rings ;)


message 10: by Ruth (new)

Ruth Feiertag | 15 comments Tell everyone that Barbie is a nick name for Boadicea. Then mumble something about beheadings…


message 11: by Damien (new)

Damien Black | 8 comments Ruth wrote: "Tell everyone that Barbie is a nick name for Boadicea. Then mumble something about beheadings…" That'll definitely work on the Grimdark forums... THey love a good beheading over there...


message 12: by Ruth (new)

Ruth Feiertag | 15 comments Damien,

Who doesn't love a well-executed beheading?

Ruth


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