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More or less i answer to this question in other question. In my opinion i totally agree with my friend Alfonseca, about his theory of the fourth levels. My friend although he was influenced by the goodness influence of C.S. Lewis, he also accepted the best of the phylosophy of the master Tolkien, and his theory of the subcreation. The men can create because he is a son of God, he inherited this quality of God.
Creation is like a play only if you see God creating the characters, sketching some of the circumstances, then interacting with them to create the play together. A little like Lydia's entrance into the others' world, but then--unlike God--she leaves.
Jill wrote: "A little like Lydia's entrance into the others' world, but then--unlike God--she leaves. ."Her incarnation in that world leaves, but she (and the others) still can influence that world (maybe Jacob's ladder was not the only antenna?). She certainly communicates with Luis afterwards. In all, it does not seem so unlike God.
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Her incarnation in that world leaves, but she (and the others) still can influence that world..."
True. In fact, Lydia --like God-- leaves. Christ, after all, left: in His Ascension. Yes, I know He is still here (in Eucharist), but not everything can be parallel:-)
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I did see the parallel to Christ - Lydia gives up her alternate life, and risks her actual life - to save the "lives" of the characters.
Manuel wrote: "Mariangel wrote: "Jill wrote: "A little like Lydia's entrance into the others' world, but then--unlike God--she leaves. ."Her incarnation in that world leaves, but she (and the others) still can ..."
Hello i like very much the Debate. I am going to complicate more the discussion. I thought that Lydia would be an angel, and his priority would be more or less than the Valars, or the Eldils. Although i have not any problem, that Lydia was a symbol of a God. About the theory of the creation Alfonseca follows the wise teaching of C.S. Lewis, and J.R.R. Tolkien, and he bet for the theory of the subcreation. I am going to say childish things with the intention that the debate was wiser. About the femen angel we have the antichristian writer Alfred de Vigny, and he have the friend of Barbey de Aurevilly Peladan. I spoke about this topic, with my friend Alfonseca. He thought there was females angels called Egregones. Leon Bloy that he could not stand the stupid things, caught to Peladan, and he threw by the stairs, because he was in the burial of his friend Barbey D`Aurevilly dressed as a clown.
To understand to my friend Alfonseca is necesary to relate with his master C.S. Lewis. All this novel in my opinion is an excercise of subcreation. The first level would be the virtual world, created by Lydia and her friends, and this world would be menaced by Nikomakos (he is the devil, indeed, when i read this novel, i thought in the parable of the Wheat, and the tares. The second world it would be the Lydia world, and the world imagined by my friend Alfonseca, the third level it would be our world, where we lived everybody, and our world looked to the virtual eorld created by Lydia, and the last level would be the heaven, where is God. For this reason the novel is a product of subcreation, and in my opinion one of the most interesting an imaginative science fiction story. It is a pity that Karina Fabian Lumbert did not read it.
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Fonch, as you have written the preceding paragraph, it looks like I have said that there are female angels. Never in my life have I said such thing! What you mean is that a certain man called Peladan believed that.
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This is what Luis says in the novel. But, as John signalled, she is actually a figure of Christ.
Angels, of course, are neither masculine nor feminine but beyond gender, as Jesus makes clear when He says those in heaven are like the angels who neither marry nor are given in marriage. But they can take either form to interact with human beings.
Jill wrote: "Angels, of course, are neither masculine nor feminine but beyond gender, as Jesus makes clear when He says those in heaven are like the angels who neither marry nor are given in marriage. But they ..."Jill wrote: "Angels, of course, are neither masculine nor feminine but beyond gender, as Jesus makes clear when He says those in heaven are like the angels who neither marry nor are given in marriage. But they ..."
These stupid things wee written by Alfred de Vigny and Peladan i have never taken seriously :-).
I appreciate the reminder of Aquinas' argument for the existence of God. The different layers of creation.
