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IT Chapter 1 (2017)
Matthewcross87 wrote: "must whilst reading the book right now the book is far more violent then the movie especially the whole Henry stabbing Ben part , though it had me laughing when ben kicked henry in the balls and ha..."You're probably right. The violence is spread out over 1.2K pages.
Nick wrote: "Kenneth wrote: "Ok; here is my analysis on IT the movie and my comments with the alignment of the adaption of the book to the 2017 movie version. These are the facts as I see them that I bring forw..."Thank you for the appreciation.... I'm glad that I saw IT again since this movie brought the updated version to 2017. The 90's mini-series will always remain a paradox between the old and new generations.... IT #1 again at the box office and for good reason!
ElleEm wrote: "Thanks, Kenneth. Nice analysis."Thank you for the appreciation.... I'm glad that I saw IT again since this movie brought the updated version to 2017. The 90's mini-series will always remain a paradox between the old and new generations.... IT #1 again at the box office and for good reason!
Kenneth, do you ever listen to the podcast called the "Stephen Kingcast"? I've listened to most of the ones about my favorite books and the adaptations. I really enjoy hearing his thoughts on the books and movies, I don't always agree with him but he explains his reasons pretty well. He also went to see "It" twice, once for sheer enjoyment and a second time for an in-depth analysis. He did two separate podcasts on his experiences. I listened to the first but haven't had time to listen to the second yet. Check it out if you haven't already, I think you might enjoy it.
Thank Kenneth, appreciate all the hard work you put into this.
ElleEm wrote: "Kenneth, do you ever listen to the podcast called the "Stephen Kingcast"? I've listened to most of the ones about my favorite books and the adaptations. I really enjoy hearing his thoughts on the b..."Where do you even find podcasts? I hear people talk about them all the time and would love to listen to a King themed anything.
On my iphone there is an icon for podcasts and I searched for it. You can also listen to it from the web. Stephen King Cast. I started with his first few episodes, Carrie, Salems Lot...and then just jumped around to my favorites. There are a few podcasts that are King related but I haven't had a chance to really listen to them.
ElleEm wrote: "On my iphone there is an icon for podcasts and I searched for it. You can also listen to it from the web. Stephen King Cast. I started with his first few episodes, Carrie, Salems Lot...and then jus..."ok just downloaded the app; ill check it out later
More blasted apps, have a hard enough job working the computer LOL.
another plug for the Stephen King cast. The guy knows his King
So I downloaded a pod app and have listened to half of one of the Stephen King podcasts. I wish he would just talk about the book he is reviewing. It was a full 20 minutes of other stuff first.
I offer my humblest apologies for inadvertently stumbling into a forum where minorities voicing an opinion differing to that of the sycophantic masses are regarded as spouting “drivel”, in what they deem to be poorly constructed English.I didn’t like the film - sorry.
However, I would point out in closing, when a conversation descends into what can only be described as personal abuse for said opinion, I’m obviously not welcome, nor wish to be.
I won’t make the mistake of returning to read any more such comments…so much for the freedom of speech, eh?
I'm sorry Paul. I'm sure wondering what you are talking about. I went down quite a few comments and I don't even see you listed. You are right there is such a thing as freedom of speech and saying so you should consider that other people ate equally entitled to their opinions be it drivel or not. I admit tensions get quite high in these discussions and they shouldn't. I'm sorry you did not like the movie and you are perfectly welcome to your opinion but don't go away mad because someone disagrees with you. I myself am waiting to see It again on DVD before I make my decision sway me one way or the other.
Linda wrote: "I'm sorry Paul. I'm sure wondering what you are talking about. I went down quite a few comments and I don't even see you listed. You are right there is such a thing as freedom of speech and saying ..."Hi Linda,
Like you I ran down the list of comments posted here and I don't see any posted by Paul nor do I see any directed at him that would be considered drivel. Like you said we do get heated about our discussions at times but that just shows how we feel about a given subject, never directed at anyone in particular, well in my case anyway. We are human and don't like people saying we are wrong and we do get hot headed but we try to keep it within reason. I love the heated discussions it shows how passionate we are about Sai Kings books and Movies.
If you can't be passionate about your favorite books and authors then there is no reason to read, again a personal opinion. One day I will actually post what someone told me about opinions. but not now as it is a bit crude, lol.
Hi all. Late to the party but I just saw It the movie (2017) and thought it was really good. I had a lot of jump scares and some "Oh My God!" moments. It was fun because another group in the theater were making some funny comments in the movie like "don't go down there" and such. I thought the kid actors did a great job. I was kind of disappointed that it turned out to be a Chapter One - to be continued movie, but am looking forward to Chapter Two!!
Jenny wrote: "Hi all. Late to the party but I just saw It the movie (2017) and thought it was really good. Hi Jenny and welcome to the party... It's never to late to discuss the best Stephen King movie ever.
Finally IT arrived in Italy too. Midnight preview show for me and my girl! It was AWESOME!! very good all the actors, Pennywise just EPIC! Can't wait to see Chapter II!!!
Clap clap clap!!
@matthew: unfortunately not. I've had to wait what it seems centuries before watching it!!! But it was worth it...I think in Japan still isn't out...
As much as I loved the film, there is a small part of me that would have liked the director initially slated to helm the film (Carey Fukunaga?) to have gone ahead and made the film he wanted to make. I think he got a writing credit and it would have been interesting to see what he would have done with it, maybe with an 18 rating.As it stands I'm pleased with the film we have and the second part has a tough act to follow. Glad they're not rushing it out next year in order to cash in quick.
Matthewcross8877 wrote: "Anarchic Rain wrote: "@matthew: unfortunately not. I've had to wait what it seems centuries before watching it!!! But it was worth it...I think in Japan still isn't out..."im sorry to hear that ,..."
It's all about marketing. Where will it make the most money first, that will prompt sales somewhere else? Etc. Lot's of games played with and for publicity.
Horror master Stephen King saw the new IT movie twice already and was not prepared for how good it really was, and one of the reasons why people are excited to see this new adaptation of Stephen King’s classic book IT is this new iteration of Pennywise the Clown Which says IT R.O.C.K. in the USA as John Mellencamp would say...
IT (2017) DVD & Blu-ray release date is estimated for January 2018..here I come…This way I can have ITand watch IT again and get ready for Chapter 2 of IT.....In addition, I’m still in total admiration of the new and improved Pennywise costume I saw yesterday… wow the makeup job they did made IT simply amassing…
Quick question: King often makes a cameo in his movies, but I didn't notice an appearance in It. I only saw it once, though. Did he make a cameo or did he skip this one?
Summer wrote: "Quick question: King often makes a cameo in his movies, but I didn't notice an appearance in It. I only saw it once, though. Did he make a cameo or did he skip this one?"That makes me ask, did he do a cameo in the Dark Tower?
Kenneth wrote: "IT (2017) DVD & Blu-ray release date is estimated for January 2018..here I come…This way I can have ITand watch IT again and get ready for Chapter 2 of IT.....In addition, I’m still in total admir..."
Totally agree. I cant wait to get my hands on the DVD with the extra content having seen the 2017 movie three times already!
Kenneth wrote: "Ok; here is my analysis on IT the movie and my comments with the alignment of the adaption of the book to the 2017 movie version. These are the facts as I see them that I bring forward. BTW; #1 at ..."Great review
I saw today that the DVD/Bluray has a Jan 15 release date here in the UK - just a few weeks away now. Having seen it twice at the cinema and had a few months to reflect on it I’d have to put it up there with Carrie, Shawshank Redemption, The Shining and The Green Mile as the very best of King novels on the big screen. Looking forward to seeing again.
Greg I agree its good, but I will hold judgment and placement until the movie is complete.
I know what you mean but I’m going to treat the two films separately. If the next one is not up to scratch it won’t mean the first part is any less impressive. Fingers crossed the second delivers though.
I'm with you on the fingers crossed. What I've seen so far I have loved I hope they do as well with part 2.
Ben wrote: "More of a nitpicking observation than a review.I despised the made-for-TV movie, and this theatrical version only fared slightly better. Here is how I summed up this one by character portrayal:
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Hard to disagree with some of those points and if I were to have a gripe about the film it would be about the kids’ individual encounters with Pennywise, which felt rushed and not as memorable as in the book. I put this down to the change of era from 50s to 80s, with maybe creatures such as the mummy and werewolf not feeling as relevant to the 80s.
I think you could watch the film with a checklist from the book, crossing off what it has changed and what is accurate and declare it a failure on that basis, or you can watch the film as a separate entity and accept changes will be made but ask yourself whether they captured the spirit and essence of the book. I went for the latter and feel that they did, but as I said, your points I agree with up to a point and it’s each to their own when it comes to viewing it as a success or failure.
Ben wrote: Her father (stepfather in the novel)..."
Since when is Al Marsh Beverly's stepfather in the novel? Is that some updated version I didn't hear about?
no, he's her biological father, but there's a print mistake never fixed, that calls him her stepfather. But it's wrong...in other part of the book King says clearly that Bev's hair and artistic sense are like her father's...
Miljan David wrote: "Ben wrote: Her father (stepfather in the novel)..."
Since when is Al Marsh Beverly's stepfather in the novel? Is that some updated version I didn't hear about?"
Of course. Thanks.
Ben wrote: "Anarchic Rain wrote: "no, he's her biological father, but there's a print mistake never fixed, that calls him her stepfather. But it's wrong...in other part of the book King says clearly that Bev's..."There is only one place where he's referred to as her stepfather. It's obviously a mistake, since he's always referred to as her father, since there is a place in the book where it says she got her auburn hair from him, and besides - they have the same last name. One usually doesn't have the last name of one's stepfather, right?
I remember reading in a blog somewhere that although Al was her biological father; Al was more like a step dad then a real dad to Bev. Remember just because you father a child doesn’t make you the Dad...
Kenneth wrote: "I remember reading in a blog somewhere that although Al was her biological father; Al was more like a step dad then a real dad to Bev. Remember just because you father a child doesn’t make you the ..."Lol come on, that's when you don't live with your dad, never knew him etc... Bev definitely lived her whole life with Al and had him as her dad. King makes such mistakes all the time.
I can tell you what I read. .But with that said; IT still doesn't make it so....Although, two people can be in the same room and still be many miles apart...
Ben wrote: "More of a nitpicking observation than a review.I despised the made-for-TV movie, and this theatrical version only fared slightly better. Here is how I summed up this one by character portrayal:
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Ben, I'm with you on most of the points, though the height thing illudes me. I always thought of Bill as tall. But you are right on about Bev, never saw her was the super sexy "hot chick" portrayed in the film. Also, agree with your other comments, missed more about Paul Bunyon, and the giant bird. Also, very much agree on Mike. And from what I hear about the next episode, I think we are due to be even more upset about his characterization.
Maybe I was wrong about the height thing.My interpretation of everyone calling him "Big Bill" was because he was their leader instead of being tall.
Ben wrote: "Maybe I was wrong about the height thing.My interpretation of everyone calling him "Big Bill" was because he was their leader instead of being tall."
Not sure, that's just the way I read it.
I think the meaning of big in big bill is not down to size of the character but the fact that he as a person at that age was a person that was larger then life because of his feeling of guilt over his brother and his feeling of isolation in the family home. These two put together, in this case have created a personality that is larger then life it self. That just my feelings on it.
OK, Bev. Al Marsh is her father as far as I read it. Just because they didn't think that way in 1958 doesn't mean it didn't happen. Yes her mother called hi Al, he probably wants to be called Al and that is the only way she thinks of him. All parents and in particular mothers worry about there daughters. There may be something in Al's past that has brought up the idea that he might be molesting his daughter. These were the dirty little family secrets that were kept back in that time frame.
I don't remember reading he was her step father.
im reading the book now , bevs dad is al marsh , hrs not her step dad , yeah i agree with what you said about mike in the movie , also all the stuff about what happend in the past mike said that , not ben , the original movie may have not been page perfcet but tbey did get big chuncks of it wright and had the right kids doing the right parts
Linda wrote: "I don't remember reading he was her step father."There may be a typo somewhere that's made people think it, but it definitely doesn't read as such. I just pulled off my copy from the shelf and glanced in to the part where Al chases Bev near the end of the book, and there's a part which reads like "But he's my FATHER and FATHERS don't kill DAUGHTERS". Isn't anywhere near as poignant if he's a step father. (In fact I never even heard anyone say he's anything but her biological father except right now in this thread).
It's kinda funny that no other "Constant Reader" here but me knows that Alvin Marsh is Beverly's stepfather. A lot of children called their stepfathers "Daddy" or "Father" back then and even today. But it was the "narrative" in this novel that mentioned his parental relationship with Beverly.If Al Marsh being Beverly's stepfather is truly a typo, then it was a very huge typo, because I've been believing this typo for over 30 years now.
And so, without further ado, friends and Goodreads neighbors, break out your "IT" bibles and flip to this chapter. Here's the excerpt from the chapter where this "so-called" typo reveals that Al Marsh is Beverly's stepfather.
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C H A P T E R 6
One of the Missing:
A Tale from the Summer of '58
Eddie Corcoran was dead, all right.
He died on the night of June 19th, and his stepfather had nothing at all to do with it. He died as Ben Hanscom sat home watching TV with his mother, as Eddie Kaspbrak's mother anxiously felt Eddie's forehead for signs of her favorite ailment, 'phantom fever,' as Beverly Marsh's stepfather — a gent who bore, in temperament at least, a remarkable resemblance to Eddie and Dorsey Corcoran's stepfather — Lifted a high-stepping kick into the girl's derriere and told her 'to get out there and dry those goddamn dishes like your mummer told you,' as Mike Hanlon got yelled at by some high-school boys (one of whom would some years later sire that fine upstanding young homophobe John 'Webby' Garton) passing in an old Dodge while Mike pulled weeds out of the garden beside the small Hanlon home out on Witcham Road, not far from the farm owned by Henry Bowers's crazy father, as Richie Tozier was sneaking a look at the half-undressed girls in a copy of Gem he had found at the bottom of his father's socks-and-underwear drawer and getting a regular good boner, and as Bill Denbrough was throwing his dead brother's photograph album across the room in horrified unbelief.
Although none of them would remember doing so later, all of them looked up at the exact moment Eddie Corcoran died . . . as if hearing some distant cry.
Thank you Ben; I stand corrected.Also, Lets start on a fresh page, you & I...
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Kenny T
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Nice analysis Kenneth... really appreciate it.