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IT Chapter 1 (2017)
An interesting tidbit on Henry Bowers from the book is that Henry's way out of the sewer system as a kid is by a long, dizzying fall into water. This is after his encounter with IT and he has wandered the sewer system for hours. I think the long fall thing is what is echoed in the movie, so I won't be surprised if Henry is in chapter 2.
Angie wrote: "I think I was also upset that Mike didn't get the time he deserved on film. I know he gets introduced later in the book to the group so I know that's why they introduced him later in the film. I he..."That old lady is super creepy! I think she's Pennywise.
Tim wrote: "Angie wrote: "I think I was also upset that Mike didn't get the time he deserved on film. I know he gets introduced later in the book to the group so I know that's why they introduced him later in ..."I was actually kind of excited about Mike's possible future as hinted by that article. As long as he's still librarian, I don't think I'll be disappointed. Mike as an adult is seriously diminished as a result of staying behind, so exploring this damage in other ways will be interesting, and drug use would be an interesting explanation of creating visions into the past.
The old woman in the library was super creepy! I expected her to turn into Pennywise as well. That was a great touch. Nate wrote: "Tim wrote: Mike as an adult is seriously diminished as a result of staying behind, so exploring this damage in other ways will be interesting, and drug use would be an interesting explanation of creating visions into the past..."
I agree that having a character of color with a drug problem is trite and tired (like turning Bev into a damsel in distress), but there's some basis for it. Especially if Mike is the only one who remembers events (and perhaps is looking for final way to end things), I can see that driving a person to use.
Esse wrote: "The old woman in the library was super creepy! I expected her to turn into Pennywise as well. That was a great touch. I am sure she was Pennywise (or some other manifestation of It.) I wonder if that will be in the director's cut.
Nate wrote: "Tim wrote: "Angie wrote: "I think I was also upset that Mike didn't get the time he deserved on film. I know he gets introduced later in the book to the group so I know that's why they introduced h..."Okay, I'll keep an open mind about Mike. I really liked the guy though. But I've enjoyed the direction the movie took so, I wait and see.
Steve wrote: "The final comments on the subject as I am fed up defending the movie to all and sundry:-1. SK loves it and was involved and happy with the changes and modernisation of the story. For some of you ..."
Hey, Steve, I haven't read all of these remarks, but I think I lot of us agree with you about the quality of the film and its success. Also, it must be reaching out to a wide number of non-readers based on its overwhelming success.
Esse wrote: "The old woman in the library was super creepy! I expected her to turn into Pennywise as well. That was a great touch. Nate wrote: "Tim wrote: Mike as an adult is seriously diminished as a result ..."
OK, I am going to throw my two cents worth in to this discussion. I think you are all forgetting one thing. Derry, Derry it's self is linked to it, that is why people turn a blind eye to the goings on in the town. Mike might be taking drugs to get Derry out of his head not to get his head out of Derry. The drugs are probably the only thing keeping him sane. The rest of the losers club have left and moved on in more ways then one, but Mike is stuck Like his grandfather said you will end up a sheep and won't know it until this is between your eyes. Not sure if that is exact but close enough.
OK to get off the subject, for all you SK readers. What are your thoughts on Crouch end? A short in Nightmares and dreamscapes. And yes it is a real place.
Crouch End was an okay Lovecraft homage, but I prefer the real thing.
Nick wrote: "Steve wrote: "The final comments on the subject as I am fed up defending the movie to all and sundry:-1. SK loves it and was involved and happy with the changes and modernisation of the story. Fo..."
EXACTLY Nick. The 2017 movie is not just for us diehard fans of the novel. It has appealed to a much wider audience and I for one embrace that wholeheartedly. I am hoping it consigns the awful mini series to a dark hole somewhere.
Honestly people watch the mini series again as I did last month. Its not just bad, it is shockingly bad. The acting is akin to a daytime soap!
mrbooks wrote: "Esse wrote: "The old woman in the library was super creepy! I expected her to turn into Pennywise as well. That was a great touch. Nate wrote: "Tim wrote: Mike as an adult is seriously diminished..."
Good shout. I agree
Matthewcross87 wrote: "i found a perfect review on amazon - If you haven’t read the source material for the latest adaptation of one of Stephen King’s best-known and best-loved tales, “IT”, then you probably won’t be off..."This 'review' has already appeared on this thread, I think. It was drivel the first time around and I'm not sure why you have to keep banging on about how bad you think this film is, making the same point over and over. We get it!
Matthewcross87 wrote: "he greg there are people on here who say how good it is countless times so if your gonna complain about me complain against them if you don't like what people put then eignore but what you DONT DO ..."In my opinion I do not see Gregg saying anything that could be read as being disrespectful at all.
Matthewcross87 wrote: "he greg there are people on here who say how good it is countless times so if your gonna complain about me complain against them if you don't like what people put then eignore but what you DONT DO ..."Crikey, you take offence easily don't you? It just seems to me that you feel the need to make the same points time and again, and on this occasion, quoting some long, waffling review to make the same points... again.
Yes, but Matthew, when a person spends an entire thread slagging off the film in question you have to wonder what the point is. Your opinion is your opinion, and everyone is entitled to one, but if you continually drag out the same criticism then other people will feel compelled to continually defend it. No-one is right and no-one is wrong but for a film you clearly have no time for, you seem to want a spend a lot of time talking about it.
I have no problem with you, Matthew, you clearly love Stephen King's work along with the rest of us. But this is a public forum and reasonable criticism of people's posts is allowed, whether you like it or not.
Good luck with that, Matthew. I'd love to know what it is that 'shouldn't be said'.
I don't like to piss people off, Matthew, in fact I don't really post an awful lot. I was just making a point about your repetitve criticism.
Matthewcross87 wrote: "look whos being repetitive now , by the way after after ignoreing me when i said stop messaging me I've now reported you . such a shame but i did ask nicely"You accuse me on a public forum of liking to piss off people then asked me not to reply. I think I have the right to defend myself. I will happily not engage with you from now on though.
Well I see that nothing has changed much since I went dark in the Stephen Kings Group some months ago. Post with name-calling, telling an appreciated group member to grow up, responses where the key board should be thrown into the sea and this list goes on. Well as Bevy would say; “why does IT have to be so mean”….
Anyone who has read through this last page of non-King related nonsense has an apology from me. Matthew can go whistle for his apology though.
I think I am going to see this again this weekend. It will be my fourth time. I just feel like so many of the adaptations of his work are crap and this one isn't so as a true fan I need to support it. Besides, yesterday was his birthday, so I need to do SOMETHING to celebrate that! ;-)
Kandice wrote: "I think I am going to see this again this weekend. It will be my fourth time. I just feel like so many of the adaptations of his work are crap and this one isn't so as a true fan I need to support ..."I've had to restrain myself from seeing it more than once as I want it to feel fresh when it comes out on blu-ray. Have you spotted different stuff with each viewing?
Greg wrote: "I've had to restrain myself from seeing it more than once as I want it to feel fresh when it comes out on blu-ray. Have you spotted different stuff with each viewing?..."I've got to admit that the first time I saw it I was super excited about noticing all the little hidden details that were just for readers, but then I looked them up and realized I hadn't actually spotted them all, so I looked the second time. The third time I was able to just enjoy and not worry about searching for details and now this time I will be going with some other King fans to see how they feel about it!
Matthewcross87 wrote: "enjoy kandice ! , stay for all the credits these a special treat to hear"Thank you!
The comments in this debate are so voluminous that I've skipped a lot of them out of sheer necessity. So I actually appreciate this reprise. Since I've got the original TV version sitting on my DVR and have been debating whether or not to watch it, I guess I'll give it a look. So thanks for the re-post, matthew. But BTW, be a little kinder to each other will you, guys. We all love King's work. everything else is about interpretation.
Kandice wrote: "Greg wrote: "I've had to restrain myself from seeing it more than once as I want it to feel fresh when it comes out on blu-ray. Have you spotted different stuff with each viewing?..."I've got to ..."
I just tried to enjoy the film first time round but reckon I'll get a bit more eagle-eyed about it next time.
Nick wrote: "The comments in this debate are so voluminous that I've skipped a lot of them out of sheer necessity. So I actually appreciate this reprise. Since I've got the original TV version sitting on my DVR..."Nick, I went away for some time mainly because of what I just witnessed, but my Love for Stephen King work has drawn me back, and your words about being kind have true meaning to me..
Also, the first thing my family said after watching the movie was that we wanted to watch the miniseries… so it’s on our list to do, since IT the movie was the best of the best!
Kenneth, I'm glad that you liked the movie so well that you came back to the group! Welcome back.
ElleEm wrote: "Kenneth, I'm glad that you liked the movie so well that you came back to the group! Welcome back."Thank You for the welcome back...
I would like to see it again but I'll have to wait for the blu ray because my husband won't pay to see it a second time lol.
Good evening folks, I am going to put my foot in it probably, but there you go that's me all over.First and foremost this is suppose to be friendly conversation/discussion why are we getting so irate. Can't we accept others don't see things the same way we do and can't we just accept them and there opinions as theirs. Yes some of us repeat ourselves and we like to make our selves heard, but who doesn't like to hear others agree with us. I admit I like a bit of disagreement it make life and the discussions more interesting. We all are SK fans, and as such we pretty much like the same books. Everyone who reads a book reads it in a different way, meaning what they read has a different meaning to them because of there upbringing and life experiences. Lets just be friends and lets respect each other yes we can disagree but do it respectfully. Thanks for listening, now I will jump off the soap box.
You write better than you think, Mr. Books. Or is it 'you write better than you think you do.' Yeah. That's it. :-)
I write from the heart, maybe that's all that really counts.
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I'm having so much trouble finding the miniseries without buying it. I wish that it would show on TV or Netflix or something.
Hi thank you and you can find IT DVD on eBay for 6.62 with free shipping
They had the mini-series in Barnes and Noble today on DVD for $5.99. If you have a B&N membership you get an additional 20% off.
Now all is quite nothing stirring except a trivia question for you all. Name the book for which these lines were his inspiration.... Sometime in the summer of 1981 I (Stephen King) had to write about the troll under the bridge. He even found himself remembering parts of the Hobbit. So which is the book? Not sure here is another clue. He was 34 when he started the book and was 38 when the book was completed....
Matthewcross87 wrote: "also while walking by a bridge he thought anout a fairy going fi fi fo thumb and thought how cool it would be to write a story about a monster who lived in a sewer ........ pennywise !"Interesting stuff. Thanks.
Very good everyone I'll be posting some more trivia..... sorry no 20 anniversary edition And here is a little tidbit...there is an app called quiz up that has Stephen King trivia check it out
You play against everyone in the world and you can look me up... In August of 2016 I was best in the world....
Kenneth wrote: "Very good everyone I'll be posting some more trivia..... sorry no 20 anniversary edition And here is a little tidbit...there is an app called quiz up that has Stephen King trivia check it out
You ..."
Thanks for the info... congratulations.
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Videos of music songs that play while Pennywise is dancing .
LOL... I have to go with the Beverly Hills theme song as my personal favorite
Did I read Bill played Pennywise whereas Curry was him? What utter nonsense.Curry played a sanitised circus clown and then IT morphed in to other monsters. Some good (Ben's Dad was creepy) and some truly dreadful i.e The Mummy and Werewolf.
I had a vision of IT from the novel and to me Skarsgard nailed it. In the storm drain scene his eyes changed, he was drooling and his tone changed from friendly (Popcorn - POP POP PO - well almost) to downright sinister (Go on, take it with a super emphasis on the T)
Curry in the storm drain was a bloke with clown make up and the same dreary deep voice. There was no change in tone, no drool, no emphasis on any word or change in tone. He just felt and looked like a bloke in a storm drain. Bill from the eyes to his demeanour was EXACTLY how King describes him in the novel.
Come on guys, please watch the mini series objectively and without being nostalgic. It is awful. The acting of The Losers Club, both child and adult, was horribly clichéd and banal. Henry Bowers just seems like a young hoodlum in the mini series but in the movie was pure psychopath. Again where was Patrick in the mini series? Yes he died too soon in the 2017 movie but I hope we will see more of him in Part 2.
And as for the soundtrack in the mini series, it obliterated any attempt at tension.
Sorry I said I wouldn't comment again but I really believe some of you are blinded by nostalgia and went in to the cinema in 2017 expecting a remake of the mini series?
I understand Mike was not portrayed 100% in the book but the director was focusing on the racism he suffered particularly from Henry. Plus he will be central to Part 2 and it will start with The Black Spot massacre. Was that in the mini series? Ermmmm no don't think so.
I am not going to change anyone's opinion but Curry as Pennywise was as far removed from the evil being in the novel as he could possibly be whilst Bill nailed IT.
Steve wrote: "Did I read Bill played Pennywise whereas Curry was him? What utter nonsense.Curry played a sanitised circus clown and then IT morphed in to other monsters. Some good (Ben's Dad was creepy) and so..."
Steve, while I agree with you regarding the movie vs. mini-series, I don't think it's fair to say everyone who prefers the mini-series does so out of nostalgia. Fear is a very personal and relative thing. Exactly what King was saying with It. People will prefer whichever version they found more scary.
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1. SK loves it and was involved and happy with the changes and modernisation of the story. For some of you ..."
Stephen King's opinion of his own work in no way informs my enjoyment of said work. I would hardly call that arrogant. And saying the movie is good just because of reviews and box office receipts is a stretch as well. We're talking about opinions (including Stephen King's own), not facts.
My opinion is that the movie is excellent and does the book justice hands down. Others have a differing opinion, and I for one am enjoying their reasoning and comments.