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How can North Korea ever be turned into a democratic nation? (And is North Korea a genuine threat to world peace? Or is it an exaggerated threat? POLL RESULT: 50% say exaggerated threat)
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Oct 08, 2019 06:45PM
Ousted John Bolton attacks Trump's approach to 'dangerous' North Korea https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...
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Was the threat ever real?Or just another military hype job?
South Korean President Calls for ‘Peace Economy’ with North Korea https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a...
2018–19 Korean peace process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2...
The 2018–19 Korean peace process was initiated in order to resolve the long-term Korean conflict and denuclearize the Korean peninsula. International concern about North Korea's nuclear weapons came to a head in 2017. A series of summits were held between North Korea's Kim Jong-un, South Korea's Moon Jae-in, and Donald Trump of the United States. Trump became the first sitting US President to meet a North Korean leader. Moon became the first South Korean President give a speech in North Korea. In parallel to this, a number of cultural exchanges began.
U.S., Japan and South Korea to discuss U.S.-North Korea talks during Washington meet https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201...
China and North Korea hail 'immortal and invincible' friendship https://www.theguardian.com/world/201...
Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-un exchange compliments as their countries mark 70 years of diplomatic relations
If John Bolton is against Trump's policy, that suggests to me that Trump might be on the right track.
North Korea is the only country in the world that still tests nuclear weapons, and their tests have caused escalating tensions between them and the United States. Their most recent nuclear test was on September 3, 2017.Nuclear weapons testing - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nuclear_weapons_testing
You probably need so many tests to be sure they work, and while the first test is to show you have the principles right, you need more to be sure deliverable ones work. The US has tested more than most.
North Korea says US 'deceived' Pyongyang on nuclear talks after Trump sends Kim birthday letter https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/11/as...(CNN)A top adviser to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said that Pyongyang will not engage in the type of talks seen last year, when Kim met with US President Donald Trump in Hanoi, despite the rapport the two leaders have developed.
He probably won't meet because at the next meeting he will be expected to do something he doesn't want to do. Added to which, playing hard to get may drag this out until election fever takes over. These talks have the problem that neither side is prepared to offer anything of substance.
Ian wrote: "He probably won't meet because at the next meeting he will be expected to do something he doesn't want to do. Added to which, playing hard to get may drag this out until election fever takes over. ..."
He(Kim) might be factoring in the current Iran situation and up coming U.S. elections dominating Trump's mind and priorities to the point he thinks The Donald can't afford North Korea to add more problems, putting 'The Glorious One' in a favorable position to excise more concessions from the U.S.
NK are notorious for 'timing their hand'.
He(Kim) might be factoring in the current Iran situation and up coming U.S. elections dominating Trump's mind and priorities to the point he thinks The Donald can't afford North Korea to add more problems, putting 'The Glorious One' in a favorable position to excise more concessions from the U.S.
NK are notorious for 'timing their hand'.
The Kim-bot has been well programmed...
Most threats seem exaggerated to propagate the arms race
Alexis wrote: "Most threats seem exaggerated to propagate the arms race"
Or boost budgets . . . .
Or boost budgets . . . .
Alexis wrote: "Most threats seem exaggerated to propagate the arms race"Now you're talkin'.
James wrote: "Alexis wrote: "Most threats seem exaggerated to propagate the arms race"
Now you're talkin'."
Above the level of drone . . . .
Now you're talkin'."
Above the level of drone . . . .
In Japan, people are also saying that Kim is terrified about making high-profile public appearances in light of the assassination of Iranian military leader Qassam Soleimani. Kim is reported to have increased the number of 'doubles' posing as him.
Terrified, or taking sensible precautions? If Trump is prepared to assassinate one leader, why not a more troublesome one?
Can't see that happening unless it gets out of hand and even then I doubt that would be a choice.
If Kim was to be suddenly deep-sixed with a bullet or a drone the power vacuum would pose issues for a number of big players.
China would face a potential refugee crisis on its border, lose a cheap labour base and a useful proxy; South Korea would face similar refugee issues and possibly more likely to incur the expense of a reunification bill.
The killing of a leader by assassination would on a global basis void a tacit agreement between world leaders and even put Trump at risk.
If Kim was to be suddenly deep-sixed with a bullet or a drone the power vacuum would pose issues for a number of big players.
China would face a potential refugee crisis on its border, lose a cheap labour base and a useful proxy; South Korea would face similar refugee issues and possibly more likely to incur the expense of a reunification bill.
The killing of a leader by assassination would on a global basis void a tacit agreement between world leaders and even put Trump at risk.
Iain wrote: "Can't see that happening unless it gets out of hand and even then I doubt that would be a choice. If Kim was to be suddenly deep-sixed with a bullet or a drone the power vacuum would pose issues fo..."C'mon Iain, put yer spy hat on!
How about if a CIA mole on the inside in Pyongyang leaves a banana peel near a large flight of stairs...then the honorable supreme leader goes for a tumble...that ain't assassination, at least not one that's traceable!
James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Can't see that happening unless it gets out of hand and even then I doubt that would be a choice. If Kim was to be suddenly deep-sixed with a bullet or a drone the power vacuum would p..."
Then things would really be on skid-row.
Then things would really be on skid-row.
Ian wrote: "Terrified, or taking sensible precautions? If Trump is prepared to assassinate one leader, why not a more troublesome one?"Ian, you've just solved this entire thread!
How can North Korea ever be turned into a democratic nation?
CUT OFF THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE!
p.s. With this mindset you have, you could fit in nicely in any top intelligence agency...
Ha, James, 0.007 comes out of the closet :-)I am not convinced cutting off the head of the snake would do much good. Like the Hydra, three more would sprout up and take its place
Returning to this thread's original question... "Is North Korea a genuine threat to world peace? Or is it an exaggerated threat?"... Given any action against North Korea would be answered a hundredfold by China, I guess you'd have to say it (NK) is a genuine threat. (I view it as a province of China, not an independent nation).
Lurking behind the continuing tensions between the U.S. and Iran, Russia, North Korea et al is the ever-present specter of China. That's where the next world war will be fought I suspect.
Lance wrote: "Returning to this thread's original question... "Is North Korea a genuine threat to world peace? Or is it an exaggerated threat?"...
Given any action against North Korea would be answered a hundr..."
It's not as clear cut though. There was internal disputes between Kim and China, and even talk of China looking to replace him as he wasn't "playing ball". I think they pulled him back into line since then.
"Lurking behind the continuing tensions between the U.S. and Iran, Russia, North Korea et al is the ever-present specter of China. That's where the next world war will be fought I suspect."
I suspect that it is 1930 all over again(minus the ideological / religosio slant). Where China lacks is 'power projection" and "war experience".
The Nazi's by the time they acquired power, had leaders who were former soldiers with vast experience in their ranks and also prepared the youth for war in advance(Nazi Youth).
I think China is gonna try the long game and project power and influence via economic and soft power means, but that a skirmish in the South China Sea might be the catalyst to war before they achieve their goal?
There's an interesting discussion on this by Graham Alison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xewny...
Given any action against North Korea would be answered a hundr..."
It's not as clear cut though. There was internal disputes between Kim and China, and even talk of China looking to replace him as he wasn't "playing ball". I think they pulled him back into line since then.
"Lurking behind the continuing tensions between the U.S. and Iran, Russia, North Korea et al is the ever-present specter of China. That's where the next world war will be fought I suspect."
I suspect that it is 1930 all over again(minus the ideological / religosio slant). Where China lacks is 'power projection" and "war experience".
The Nazi's by the time they acquired power, had leaders who were former soldiers with vast experience in their ranks and also prepared the youth for war in advance(Nazi Youth).
I think China is gonna try the long game and project power and influence via economic and soft power means, but that a skirmish in the South China Sea might be the catalyst to war before they achieve their goal?
There's an interesting discussion on this by Graham Alison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xewny...
Iain wrote: "The Nazi's by the time they acquired power, had leaders who were former soldiers with vast experience in their ranks and also prepared the youth for war in advance(Nazi Youth)...."WW1 war vets, and survivors of the Somme no less, were also behind The Great Emu War :)
James wrote: "Iain wrote: "The Nazi's by the time they acquired power, had leaders who were former soldiers with vast experience in their ranks and also prepared the youth for war in advance(Nazi Youth)...."
WW..."
Should do a movie on that?
But then again, when you look at some of the war movies of late they're actually worse than the massacres itself . . . .
Be better givin them the bird . . . .
WW..."
Should do a movie on that?
But then again, when you look at some of the war movies of late they're actually worse than the massacres itself . . . .
Be better givin them the bird . . . .
And the Great Emu War wouldn't be a war movie, it'd be a comedy about human idiots and genius birds.
James wrote: "I liked Dunkirk."
Me too.
Favorite part is Tom Hardy being led away in manacles to be interrogated by the SS either that or Harry Styles being nearly sunk by a German U-boat.
Great stuff.
Me too.
Favorite part is Tom Hardy being led away in manacles to be interrogated by the SS either that or Harry Styles being nearly sunk by a German U-boat.
Great stuff.
