Please mark as ACE & update page counts for Kindle editions

[Tal]

Can someone please mark the following:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

as an ACE of: (ASIN# B00LOYM78O)
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

and also update the page counts from 282 to 349 per Amazon

Amazon book page: https://www.amazon.com/Long-Black-Coa...

TIA

[David]

Done

[Tal]

Thanks, page count for https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2... is still showing 282

[David]

That's the original edition, page count was uploaded by bot on creation. I updated the page count of the current edition.

[Tal]

Print length page counts for Kindle editions loaded by the amazon bot are frequently missing or wrong and then eventually updated on Amazon. Since when is it policy to not use the Amazon book page as the authority for page count of a valid ASIN??

If Amazon says ASIN # B00LOYM78O has Print Length: 349 pages since when does the matching GR edition not have to honor that?

[David]

I can't find the exact post, but when I used the current Amazon page count to edit the page count of older Kindle editions, I was reverted by some super-librarian (or maybe it was rivka). This even applied when a reader had the book in hand with the old cover.

[lethe]

David wrote: "I can't find the exact post, but when I used the current Amazon page count to edit the page count of older Kindle editions, I was reverted by some super-librarian (or maybe it was rivka). This even..."

Here it is: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
The question does not seem to have received a definite answer, though.

BTW, book-in-hand doesn't work with Kindle editions and other ebooks, since page count differs according to type of ereader used.

[David]

Thanks, indeed that is the comment I was looking for.

[Tal]

@lethe, this was Rivka's response in that topic: "Therefore, for ebooks (including Kindle editions), the page number should come from the publisher."

Therefore https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2... should have the same page count as the publishers's record which is Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...

@David, I only skimmed that topic that lethe linked but I believe Alex was wrong in reverting your page count update. Bots upload the wrong data all the time and it later gets updated on Amazon. Amazon even changes the algorithm it uses to determine Kindle print length every now and again. If a subsequent Amazon print edition is linked the Kindle edition print length will often be updated to use that. This isn't about a new edition with a new page count this is about the wrong page count from the beginning and now the GR record no longer matches the publisher record. Do I need to create a topic in the Policy folder for clarification on this? If this is indeed the new policy then thousands of Kindle page count librarian updates are invalid and in future I will be needing to create dozens if not hundreds of APC (alternate page count) editions to reflect accurate publisher page counts for Challenge books.

[David]

Tal wrote: "@lethe, this was Rivka's response in that topic: "Therefore, for ebooks (including Kindle editions), the page number should come from the publisher."

Therefore https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/..."

You raise some valid arguments, which people who make policies will have to take under consideration.

[lethe]

Tal wrote: "@lethe, this was Rivka's response in that topic: "Therefore, for ebooks (including Kindle editions), the page number should come from the publisher.""

I saw rivka's comment, but it's fairly generic. It didn't answer the question whether a Kindle edition should keep its original page count when the edition is upgraded with a new cover and different page count.

I do agree with you that the page count on the original cover edition should be changed, for the reasons you mention. But it would be nice if we had an official answer.

[Tal]

lethe wrote: "It didn't answer the question whether a Kindle edition should keep its original page count when the edition is upgraded with a new cover and different page count."

That's the thing, the edition wasn't upgraded with a new cover and different page count, only the cover was changed. Both the ACE and the ASIN edition had the same page count of 282. I believe the page count was updated on Amazon much later (like a year) when the print edition was published and linked to the original Kindle edition and when the Kindle page counts often get updated to be more in line with the print versions.

lethe wrote: "I do agree with you that the page count on the original cover edition should be changed, for the reasons you mention. But it would be nice if we had an official answer."

*sigh* so you're saying I need to post in the policy folder?

[lethe]

Maybe rivka will see this thread.

[Tal]

well somebody will now I hope ;-)

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

[Alex]

Just a clarification, I shared my opinion on that thread, I did not revert the page count change, as I am not certain of the correct action in this situation.

[David]

Alex wrote: "Just a clarification, I shared my opinion on that thread, I did not revert the page count change, as I am not certain of the correct action in this situation."

I apologize, this is a glitch of my memory. I seem to have reverted myself following your comment.