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message 301: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
Tristram wrote: "As it happens, OMF is one of my favourite Dickens novels, right after Bleak House."i>

You forgot The Old Curiosity Shop.


message 302: by Everyman (new)

Everyman | 827 comments Mod
Kim wrote: "Tristram wrote: "As it happens, OMF is one of my favourite Dickens novels, right after Bleak House."i>

You forgot The Old Curiosity Shop."


I see you're playing the Grinch.


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Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
Kim wrote: "Tristram wrote: "As it happens, OMF is one of my favourite Dickens novels, right after Bleak House."i>

You forgot The Old Curiosity Shop."


It's not easy to forget The Old Curiosity Shop because it was a traumatic experience.


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Everyman | 827 comments Mod
It's going to be fun watching the two of you alternate chapter summaries for TOCS. Like hearing those two masks in the classic drama image speaking alternately -- only in your case, not comedy and tragedy, but love and hate.


message 305: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
Just expect to hear "poor, poor, Little Nell" every other week.


message 306: by Jerry-Book (last edited May 20, 2017 02:51PM) (new)

Jerry-Book | 4 comments Followed link from the Dickens Group to this one. I was introduced to Dickens and Great Expectations as a freshman in high school by the Franciscan nuns. I just finished the The Death of Ivan Ilych by Leo Tolstoy in a book club. One comment there was Tolstoy (an admirer of Dickens) wrote a realistic tale of mortality unlike Dickens' romantic view of Scrooge's death in A Christmas Carol. I wondered what Dickens' afacionadoes thought of this comparison.


message 307: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
Welcome Dylan and Jerry-Book! If you love Dickens and would like to discuss his works as well as subjects such as reindeer migration, the advantages and disadvantages of donkeys, or exclamation marks and their existential implications, then this is the right place for you.

As to the comparison between A Christmas Carol and The Death of Ivan Ilytsch, I must say that I haven't read the latter, leaning more towards Dostoyevsky than Tolstoy, but even when I just look at the Carol, I would say that it is a Christmas book and as such probably not concerned with the grim realities of life as it is but more with its romantic or escapist mirror-image. We discussed the book years ago, and we did come to the conclusion, however, that it is deeper than it might appear at first sight. Unless I am mistaken, there is some chance of us re-reading it next year.


message 308: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
Welcome to you both Dylan and Jerry-Book! I hope you have fun here. We do talk about quite a lot of things while we are here, birds, Christmas, islands, Christmas, unicorns, math (yuk), did I mention Christmas? :-) We manage to read Dickens too.


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Mary Lou | 2701 comments Jerry-Book wrote: "Followed link from the Dickens Group to this one. I was introduced to Dickens and Great Expectations as a freshman in high school by the Franciscan nuns. I just finished the [book:The D..."

Welcome to all the new members! Ivan Ilytsch is on my always-growing to-read list. When I finally get to it, I'll look for those comparisons.


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Nina Craven | 2 comments Hello! I live in Canberra Australia and have been avid reader all my life. I love history as well as having an eclectic taste for fiction, you name it I read it! Mr Dickens has been largely neglected by me except for the usual school texts which largely killed my interest in him way back then. But having said that, A Tale of Two Cities is one of my favourite books and I love A Christmas Carol. Also appreciate his wonderful characters. Enjoy the filmed versions of his stories immensely. I would like to embark on a Dickens Readathon to gain a better understanding of this wonderful writer.


message 311: by Mary Lou (new)

Mary Lou | 2701 comments Nina wrote: "Hello!."

Glad to have you with us, Nina! Perfect timing, as we'll be embarking on Our Mutual Friend on June 1st. Looking forward to having you along for the ride!


message 312: by Peter (new)

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Nina wrote: "Hello! I live in Canberra Australia and have been avid reader all my life. I love history as well as having an eclectic taste for fiction, you name it I read it! Mr Dickens has been largely neglect..."

Welcome Nina.

If you want to read Dickens you are among mutual friends.


message 313: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
Welcome Nina. We're glad to have you! And we're all set to begin our new novel, so you can join us!


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Everyman | 827 comments Mod
Nina wrote: "Hello! I live in Canberra Australia and have been avid reader all my life.."

Welcome, Nina. Lifetime avid reader makes you normal here, probably one of the few places you can feel normal about that!

Australia, eh? Do you have trouble reading upside down? [g]


message 315: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
Welcome Nina! I hope you'll like Our Mutual Friend and our circle of friends!


message 316: by Nina (new)

Nina Craven | 2 comments Thanks to everyone for their notes of welcome. I am looking forward to the group!


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John (jdourg) | 1219 comments Greetings to all. And thank you to Jean for recommending this discussion group to me.

My first introduction to Dickens was, like many, with A Christmas Carol, but my first enchantment with Dickens was reading Great Expectations in high school. Taught ably and well by a wonderful teacher I had.

I look forward to participating. I have to purchase for my Nook e-reader Our Mutual Friend. I have not yet looked, but was wondering if there is a particular edition anyone could recommend to me for purchase? Thanks. John.


message 318: by Mary Lou (new)

Mary Lou | 2701 comments John wrote: "Greetings to all. And thank you to Jean for recommending this discussion group to me.

My first introduction to Dickens was, like many, with A Christmas Carol, but my first enchantment with Dicken..."


Glad to have you with us, John. How lucky you were to have a good English teacher who knew how to get his students excited about literature!

I download all of my Dickens and other classic literature from gutenberg.org. It's free, and you can choose to include illustrations or not, as you wish. A wonderful resource.


message 319: by John (new)

John (jdourg) | 1219 comments Thank you very much.

I love gutenberg. org, but have not downloaded from them in quite some time. I will take a look. I generally like critical editions of works such as Norton (my usual favorite) where I can take a look at essays on the book.


message 320: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
Hi John,

Welcome to the Curiosity Club! I hope you'll have a good time joining our discussions on OMF and other books! - I've got a kindle and downloaded the Delphi Complete Works of Charles Dickens. It has all Dickens's novels, short stories, sketches, lots of his letters and also some books on Dickens. The novels are also illustrated. In Germany, I paid 3,09 Euro, which is roughly the same (a bit less, I think, in dollars). All in all, I'm very happy with it.


message 321: by John (new)

John (jdourg) | 1219 comments Thank you very much.

I looked in my Archived Books section on B&N, and lo and behold, I have a Complete Works of Dickens in there. I will unarchive it and take a look at it. I think I purchased it a few years ago for $1 or $2.

Sometimes I find the "Complete Works" to take up a lot of space (I have complete works for Austen and Hardy). I'm going to see how things compare. A quick look at some purchasing options for OMF shows free and also 99 cents, so all good on that front.


message 322: by John (new)

John (jdourg) | 1219 comments I found a nice edition of OMF by Halycon Classics. Available for download at B&N for $1, so I decided to go with that.

Thus reading starts.


message 323: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
John,

The complete works of Hardy can also be found on my e-device, and it's in a way through Everyman, if I remember correctly, that I discovered this brilliant author. It's one of the charms of e-readers that you can carry Complete Works around with you - amongst those I have got are those of Dickens, Conrad, Melville, Twain, M.E. Braddon and Trollope - and they all fit into my coat pocket :-)


message 324: by John (last edited Jun 04, 2017 03:17AM) (new)

John (jdourg) | 1219 comments Tristram, fully agree on the complete works aspect. Some wonderful options for low cost purchases and reading. I really only read these days on my Nook, can adjust font, brightness, size, etc., wonderful for my older eyes.

The only thing I miss is marking up a page with my notes and underlining and observations. I enjoy taking a pen out on some of my old trade paperbacks, especially when it comes to poetry, and marking lines I really like. I miss that with e readers, though I suppose someone more technologically savvy than I am would say they are ways to "mark up" on e readers.


message 325: by Bionic Jean (new)

Bionic Jean (bionicjean) Welcome John! This is a really great group so I'm glad you found us! I'm actually in a caravan in Thomas Hardy country at the moment, so starting Our Mutual Friend a little late, until I can get my final thoughts together about Great Expectations, but should be with you all by the end of the month :)


message 326: by Everyman (new)

Everyman | 827 comments Mod
John wrote: " I suppose someone more technologically savvy than I am would say they are ways to "mark up" on e readers."

In fact there are, and it's really pretty easy once you get used to it. Find a ten year old and ask them -- they'll be glad to teach you.


message 327: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
There's just one hitch to asking a ten-year old about e-readers, Everyman. You would probably have to explain to him what a "novel" or a "poem" is ...


message 328: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
John wrote: "Tristram, fully agree on the complete works aspect. Some wonderful options for low cost purchases and reading. I really only read these days on my Nook, can adjust font, brightness, size, etc., won..."

My kindle reader offers the choice to highlight passages and even to make notes. But making notes on a kindle is a drudge, and so is finding them later on. I therefore often have an old-fashioned notebook ready in which I jot down any thought that might occur to me.


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John (jdourg) | 1219 comments I have some young friends who can probably show me how to do it with regard to marking up with my e-reader.

Although it is tough to teach an old dog like myself new tricks, I would like to give it a try on my Nook.

I must admit though, with regard to the Nook Tablet, I probably know only about 10 percent of its total capability. I power it up and read and don't have the patience -- perhaps -- of actually learning it properly.


message 330: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
John,

I know how you feel about just using 10% of your gadget's range of capacities. When we bought a new TV set, I just wanted to use it to watch TV and movies from DVD or BR, but then my father arrived and said that it would be a shame not to have Internet on the TV and he set it all up, but I have never ever used it up to now.


message 331: by Mary Lou (new)

Mary Lou | 2701 comments Want to respond, but think I'll move this conversation down to the local. Meet you there. :-)


message 332: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
That's a good idea. I'll join you there!


message 333: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
Hello John and welcome to the group!


message 334: by Everyman (new)

Everyman | 827 comments Mod
John wrote: "I have some young friends who can probably show me how to do it with regard to marking up with my e-reader.

Although it is tough to teach an old dog like myself new tricks, I would like to give it..."


Our library holds "Tech Tuesday" ever, surprise, Tuesday, when volunteers who are technologically savvy come in to help people who aren't become more so. Questions that have come in have been at times very basic, including "how do I turn my tablet off?"


message 335: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
I have never seen anyone ever want to turn their tablet off. - Luckily, I haven't got one.


message 336: by Jane (new)

Jane (jane_ellen) Hello, my name is Jane. I work as a humanities lecturer for lifelong learning organisations in New Mexico (US), and am fairly new to Goodreads. I love Charles Dickens and Victorian literature in general, as well as neo-Victorian tales.

I'm not sure what else to say. Thank you for letting me join this group.


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John (jdourg) | 1219 comments Jane wrote: "Hello, my name is Jane. I work as a humanities lecturer for lifelong learning organisations in New Mexico (US), and am fairly new to Goodreads. I love Charles Dickens and Victorian literature in ge..."

Welcome Jane. I loved Albuquerque on my one visit to New Mexico.


message 338: by Jane (last edited Jun 25, 2017 03:21PM) (new)

Jane (jane_ellen) Thank you, John. The high desert here in Albuquerque doesn't speak to me, but the alpine scenery in northern NM is a wonder to behold.

Thank you again for the warm welcome!


message 339: by Mary Lou (new)

Mary Lou | 2701 comments Welcome, Jane! We're just starting the discussion of chapters 11-13 of Our Mutual Friend. Have you read it? I hope you'll be able to catch up and join in. The chapter discussions are always available, though, if you want to read at your own pace.

My best childhood friend is now a HS teacher in Albuquerque. I visited her there once, many years ago. Quite a different landscape and climate than in Maryland, where I live. I envy your comparative lack of humidity!


message 340: by Jane (new)

Jane (jane_ellen) Mary Lou wrote: "Welcome, Jane! We're just starting the discussion of chapters 11-13 of Our Mutual Friend. Have you read it? I hope you'll be able to catch up and join in. The chapter discussions are always availab..."

Hello, Mary Lou, thank you! It's been many years since I read Our Mutual Friend but I can catch up quickly!

The lack of humidity doesn't agree with me at all, and the mile-high altitude is a problem. I hope to move back to the east coast in a few years. I would happily send you some of our dry weather!

Thank you again for the warm welcome!


message 341: by Peter (new)

Peter | 3568 comments Mod
Jane wrote: "Hello, my name is Jane. I work as a humanities lecturer for lifelong learning organisations in New Mexico (US), and am fairly new to Goodreads. I love Charles Dickens and Victorian literature in ge..."

Welcome Jane. Please join in on our conversations.

Heat or no heat, humidity or no humidity, there is always lots of Dickens to discuss here.

I live in Victoria, British Columbia where we are having our version of a heat wave now.


message 342: by Jane (new)

Jane (jane_ellen) Peter wrote: "Jane wrote: "Hello, my name is Jane. I work as a humanities lecturer for lifelong learning organisations in New Mexico (US), and am fairly new to Goodreads. I love Charles Dickens and Victorian lit..."

Thank you so much, Peter. I look forward to finding a pleasant refuge here, with excellent literature and new friends. Best of luck surviving your heat wave!


message 343: by John (new)

John (jdourg) | 1219 comments The discussions of weather, particularly the various heatwaves, are interesting because here in New Jersey the weather has been very moderate. Today was high of 80 with light winds.

I probably just jinxed myself, but it has been decent to date.


message 344: by Everyman (new)

Everyman | 827 comments Mod
John wrote: "here in New Jersey the weather has been very moderate. Today was high of 80 with light winds."

You call that moderate. To us, that's a heat wave. Average high temperature for this date is 67 where I live.


message 345: by Everyman (new)

Everyman | 827 comments Mod
Jane wrote: "Hello, my name is Jane. I work as a humanities lecturer for lifelong learning organisations in New Mexico (US), and am fairly new to Goodreads. I love Charles Dickens and Victorian literature in ge..."

I'm late to the welcome party, but I hope not unwelcome for that. We read these books very slowly (breaking them into the same chapter sets that Dickens published them in), so you have plenty of time to catch up with the Our Mutual Friend discussion. I hope you join in.


message 346: by Jane (new)

Jane (jane_ellen) Everyman wrote: "Jane wrote: "Hello, my name is Jane. I work as a humanities lecturer for lifelong learning organisations in New Mexico (US), and am fairly new to Goodreads. I love Charles Dickens and Victorian lit..."

Thank you, Everyman! Reading slowly works well for me, because I'll be able to manage the chapters (as well as savour them).

Thank you for the warm welcome to your group.


message 347: by Bionic Jean (last edited Jun 26, 2017 05:31AM) (new)

Bionic Jean (bionicjean) Welcome Jane! This is the perfect place to be if you love Dickens :) I'm in a minority here, and actually live in Dickens's own country (England) so problems with humidity are rare for us! Dickens's wonderful descriptions of storms and rain however seem all too familiar ... Having said that we have just had a heatwave with temperatures up to 34 degrees.


message 348: by Jane (new)

Jane (jane_ellen) Hello, Jean, and thank you for the warm welcome! I have many friends your side of the pond, but have never managed to live in England, so I envy you. :) I cannot, however, imagine 34; when I lived it France it once got up to 30 and that was unbelievably hot for the Loire Valley. Sadly, we hit 40 in the American desert last week; it sounds like a good time for me to be travelling elsewhere.

I'm so very happy to have found this perfect place, and thanks again for your warm welcome.


message 349: by John (new)

John (jdourg) | 1219 comments Jane wrote: "Thank you, John. The high desert here in Albuquerque doesn't speak to me, but the alpine scenery in northern NM is a wonder to behold.

Thank you again for the warm welcome!"


I wish I had gotten to see more when I was there. I was playing in a golf tournament over four days, so was quite busy for the week I was there. I was able to play the University of New Mexico's home course, which was very nice, as was the Sandia Casino golf course.


message 350: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
Jane wrote: "Hello, my name is Jane. I work as a humanities lecturer for lifelong learning organisations in New Mexico (US), and am fairly new to Goodreads. I love Charles Dickens and Victorian literature in ge..."

Hello Jane, and welcome to our group! I'm sorry to say the talk about Albuquerque and the weather had me wanting to go north, I don't know why but I always picture New Mexico one way, hot. When you come to know me you will find that I do not like heat, hot, warm or anything close to it. I was intrigued by your alpine scenery comment though. And again, welcome to the group.


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