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message 551: by Mary Lou (last edited Nov 27, 2017 01:27PM) (new)

Mary Lou | 2701 comments Kim wrote: "Re: Kim's comment -- is Boz, then, pronounced Bahz or Bohz with a long O?
Life of Charles Dickens
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Boz [boz]: Boz was a very familiar word to me, long before I was an auth..."



Well, that answers the question of the correct pronunciation, but now if I say it correctly the few people who know who Boz is will still think I'm saying it wrong. Such a conundrum!


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Linda | 372 comments Boz as in "Bose"?? Oh my, I've been saying it wrong in my head all these years as well. And the proper pronunciation just makes me think of the brand of speakers and headphones.


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Julie Kelleher | 1525 comments Mary Lou--I have never spent much time around boxers but now that you call them clowns, I want to.

I've been thinking Boz as "Bahz" all along as well. But there's something to be said for popular tradition.

Thanks to all who welcomed me to the Christmas read. I'm guessing a discussion board with the reading assignment will pop up at the appropriate time--is that how it works? I usually re-read Christmas Carol this time of year so it will be fun taking a crack at a story I don't know already. I did steal a glance at the first few pages of Haunted Man already. When I had a chance. Looking forward to the rest.


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Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
Julie wrote: "I'm guessing a discussion board with the reading assignment will pop up at the appropriate time--is that how it works?"

Yes, Julie, the weekly threads are usually opened on Sunday.


message 555: by Julie (new)

Julie Kelleher | 1525 comments Tristram wrote: "Julie wrote: "I'm guessing a discussion board with the reading assignment will pop up at the appropriate time--is that how it works?"

Yes, Julie, the weekly threads are usually opened on Sunday."


Got it. Thanks.


message 556: by Bionic Jean (new)

Bionic Jean (bionicjean) And I've never imagined it as "Bahz" but simply as "Boz" as in "odd". Or is the American pronunciation of that, "add"?


message 557: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
I say it the same way you do Jean, as in "odd". It seems like we are all wrong however we say it. :-)


message 558: by Bionic Jean (new)

Bionic Jean (bionicjean) Except the good people who work for "Bose". But then maybe they pronounce that another way ... and anyway they can't spell ;)


message 559: by Linda (new)

Linda | 372 comments Jean wrote: "Except the good people who work for "Bose". But then maybe they pronounce that another way ... and anyway they can't spell ;)"

Lol! Now that made me laugh, Jean. :)


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Bionic Jean (bionicjean) :)


message 561: by George (last edited Dec 01, 2017 03:29PM) (new)

George Reed (guavaman) As I would expect most others did, I read a number of Dickens books in high school and college, some for school and some on my own. At some point in the late 90's, I got it into my head to read a Dickens novel every year at Christmas time. I started with The Pickwick Papers and read all the novels, plus "American Notes." At some point I read all the Christmas stories as well. Since finally reading "Drood," I've tried to read several Christmas related books and short stories throughout December. This includes several sequels, prequels and re-imaginings of "A Christmas Carol," which, I must admit, is a bit of an obsession of mine. This year or next, I plan to go back to Dickens, but not the well known books, each of which I've read at least twice.


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Peter | 3568 comments Mod
George wrote: "As I would expect most others did, I read a number of Dickens books in high school and college, some for school and some on my own. At some point in the late 90's, I got it into my head to read a D..."

Hi George

I’m glad you found us. If you like Dickens you have come to the right place. We are beginning with Pickwick again in the new year, and hope you will join us. In a couple of days we will be reading The Haunted Man.

Please join in in the conversation.


message 563: by Matt (last edited Dec 02, 2017 08:45PM) (new)

Matt Jarvis | 8 comments Name is Matt.

I am a junior in college studying Economics and I absolutely love Dickens. I did not read any Dickens in high school like it seems most people did however I did start with Great Expectations. Some of my favorites include Tale of Two Cities (there is a Sydney Carton in all of us) as well as Oliver Twist. Looking forward to Pickwick as that is one of the few titles I have not read yet.

**Forgot to mention that I'll be quite busy for the remainder of December as my semester here at school comes to an end. I plan to join in the discussion after the New Year with Pickwick.


message 564: by Bionic Jean (last edited Dec 02, 2017 05:41AM) (new)

Bionic Jean (bionicjean) Welcome to George and Matt. We are a very mixed group here, with members who have read the novels many times over, and others who have the thrill of coming to him for the first time. I like to read reaction from both ends of the spectrum, and very much appreciate the input from everyone :)

Oddly, although I'm so obsessed with him now, I never read any works by Charles Dickens at school either, (except one as a "home reader" ie., we were not examined in it). I say "oddly", since I am English, but he was perhaps out of favour at the time. So when I read him with delight in my 20's, I felt as if I had discovered him all by myself!

(Edited Matt's name, as per Mary Lou's kind comment!)


message 565: by Mary Lou (new)

Mary Lou | 2701 comments I think Jean meant to welcome George and *Matt*, as do I. :-) Building on what Jean said, the wonderful thing about Dickens is that each subsequent reading of his novels reveals new things that previously went unnoticed. Our group discussions are so insightful; we all pick up on different themes, hints as to the characters motives, etc. I'm sure you'll love it here, and look forward to your observations!


message 566: by Bionic Jean (new)

Bionic Jean (bionicjean) Oh my - thank you Mary Lou! I must have been half asleep, and will edit my post pronto ...


message 567: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
Welcome George and Matt! I'm glad you can join us at the beginning again! The only Dickens I read in school was A Christmas Carol, and that I read on my own during study halls and things like that. Of course, I hated school so much I have blocked as much of it as possible from my thoughts, but I don't think I would have blocked Dickens, now math and science.........


message 568: by Peter (new)

Peter | 3568 comments Mod
Welcome Matt. Please join us for our reading and discussion of The Pickwick Papers in January.

As for Christmas ... The thread for our reading of The Haunted Man will be posted later today. It’s about the length of A Christmas Carol. A good way to greet the holiday season.


message 569: by Gilbert (new)

Gilbert Hi, I'm a stranger here myself.
I am a retired small company accountant/bookkeeper.
I've been a reader since who can remember when.
I'm married and we have a dog who has consented to let us live with him.
I first read Dickens in high school, A Tale of Two Cities. Since then I went through most of his output in the early 70's and very recently started a reread with The Pickwick Papers, which I will put aside until January, when the group reads it.
In the mean time I will read The Haunted Man and hopefully have something to add to the discussion.


message 570: by Everyman (new)

Everyman | 827 comments Mod
Gilbert wrote: "Hi, I'm a stranger here myself.
I am a retired small company accountant/bookkeeper.."


Trust me, if you participate in the discussions you won't be a stranger for long,

I was also a small company accountant. Nice to have another Dickens lover here who isn't intimidated by mathematics!


message 571: by Mary Lou (new)

Mary Lou | 2701 comments Everyman wrote: Nice to have another Dickens lover here who isn't intimidated by mathematics!

That makes two of you. I'm afraid I can't add myself to that number (because that would require math skills). But it's nice to have you here, Gilbert! I love that we have so many new members joining us in time for our holiday selection.


message 572: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
Everyman wrote: "Gilbert wrote: "Hi, I'm a stranger here myself.
I am a retired small company accountant/bookkeeper.."

Trust me, if you participate in the discussions you won't be a stranger for long,

I was also ..."


Welcome Gilbert! Even if you did start a math conversation. I don't believe in math conversations, they're too confusing. As for you Eman, let me know if you can think of a job you did't have, I can't.

And again, welcome Gilbert!


message 573: by Bionic Jean (new)

Bionic Jean (bionicjean) Welcome Gilbert. This is the perfect time to join this group :)


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Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
Welcome to Gilbert, Matt, and George! It's really a good time to join our merry round because we are just about to start afresh on the Dickens tour. And Everyman is right in saying that those who take part in our discussions will not remain strangers for a very long time!


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Milena | 114 comments Hello George, Matt and Gilbert! :)


message 576: by Everyman (new)

Everyman | 827 comments Mod
Kim wrote: "As for you Eman, let me know if you can think of a job you did't have, I can't. "

Lots. Plumber. Truck driver (though I was a school bus driver and had a commercial driving license). Aerobics instructor. Macy's Christmas window decorator. Crop duster. Will those do for a start?


message 577: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
Everyman wrote: "Kim wrote: "As for you Eman, let me know if you can think of a job you did't have, I can't. "

Lots. Plumber. Truck driver (though I was a school bus driver and had a commercial driving license). A..."


But did you have as many jobs as Homer Simpson?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhKQ6...


message 578: by Mary Lou (new)

Mary Lou | 2701 comments Everyman wrote: "Kim wrote: "As for you Eman, let me know if you can think of a job you did't have, I can't. "

Lots. Plumber. Truck driver (though I was a school bus driver and had a commercial driving license). A..."


Were you ever a department store Santa? ;-)


message 579: by Everyman (new)

Everyman | 827 comments Mod
Mary Lou wrote: "Were you ever a department store Santa? ;-)"

Not department store. But school.


message 580: by Jess (last edited Dec 31, 2017 10:16AM) (new)

Jess Foley | 10 comments Hi,
I am a former actress/theater critic/person who has read David Copperfield by Charles Dickens (bought the book while on a break from canvassing for Clinton, and thought: "
This book is so long that by the time I finish Trump will be impeached, and alas, I was wrong.) Do not mean to discuss politics here. I am open to conflicting opinions. I can not help it in this instance.
I've read and loved Nicholas Nickleby by Charles Dickens , and A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens , and got 50% through Bleak House by Charles Dickens , (I got cast in a show, and I never finished that one, even though I loved it.)
Started reading The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens with Kris earlier this year, before a kind of devastating very public thing occurred in my "career", so I kind of put it down after reading the Stroller's Tale, in which Dickens accurately captures just how harsh life in the theater is (then and now). ---it makes me feel better. Although, I wish I read it while attending Drama school. Ha!
I love Dickens so much: his wit, and characters, and his obvious love for the theatre which I, unfortunately, share with him. (He writes like an actor). I am glad that you are reading The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens . I think I ready to plunge past page 58 now.


message 581: by Patrick (new)

Patrick Longtime Dickens reader here. I have completed 11 of the 15 major novels, although I really need to return to David Copperfield and Great Expectations, which I read SO long ago. The four novels that I need to tackle for the first time are Pickwick, Nickleby, Dombey, and Barnaby Rudge. The Uncommercial Traveller and Sketches by Boz are on the top of the list of "secondary" works I want to get to soon. I have read all five of the Christmas short novels.


message 582: by Mary Lou (new)

Mary Lou | 2701 comments Patrick wrote: "Longtime Dickens reader here. I have completed 11 of the 15 major novels, although I really need to return to David Copperfield and Great Expectations, which I read SO long ago. The four novels tha..."

Welcome, Patrick! Nickleby and Rudge are two that I've also yet to read. I'm hoping the group will get to Nickleby in 2018. We often do a Sketch or two between novels, which is a nice, leisurely way to tackle them. We look forward to having you join the discussions! If I may ask, where are you from? We have members from all over the world, which makes the discussions even more interesting!


message 583: by Patrick (new)

Patrick From New Jersey originally, lived all over the US, but now resident in the beautiful city of Querétaro, Mexico, where I teach Business and Conversational English to private students, and also do some freelance writing and editing.

With respect to Nickleby, I DID see the 8-hour Royal Shakespeare Company version on Broadway in the early 1980s. No substitute for reading the novel, though.

My last Dickens completed was Edwin Drood, which I thought was spectacular. He was at the height of his powers when he died.


message 584: by Peter (new)

Peter | 3568 comments Mod
Hi Jess and Patrick

Welcome. What perfect timing. We begin our reading of The Pickwick Papers this week. A new year, Dickens’s first novel, and a group of Dickens lovers.

Please join us.


message 585: by Patrick (new)

Patrick Yes, I noticed that! I will try. As usual, I have too many books going right now, but this is one that I planned for 2018 anyway, so...


message 586: by Kim (new)

Kim | 6417 comments Mod
Welcome Jess and Patrick, we're happy to meet you.


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Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
Hello Jess, and Patrick,

Welcome to the Curiosity Club! As Peter said, it's indeed a good moment for joining because Mr Pickwick is already waiting in the wings, peeking through the curtain and ready to appear. It's just that the icecream man has not made his round yet.

Looking forward to your comments and hoping for lots of good discussions.


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Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
And Patrick, I think I know you from reviewing that really good book on the noir western by Meuel, don't I?


message 589: by Patrick (new)

Patrick Yes, that was me.

I started in on The Pickwick Papers the past couple of days. A very ingratiating read, the pages just fly by.


message 590: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
They often do fly by, with Dickens, and it's difficult to stop reading and not rush ahead of the schedule.


message 591: by Patrick (new)

Patrick The opening pages of Pickwick have a brio that is completely arresting, and helps to explain why the novel made such a smash. The energy certainly comes partly from the running commentary of Mr. Jingle, which was one of Dickens's first experiments in giving a character a unique speaking style.


message 592: by Milena (new)

Milena | 114 comments Hello Jess and Patrick, welcome! :)


message 593: by Kris (new)

Kris | 13 comments Jess wrote: "Hi,
I am a former actress/theater critic/person who has read David Copperfield by Charles Dickens (bought the book while on a break from canvassing for Clinton, and thought: "
This book is so lo..."


Hi Jess, I hope you can pick up where you left off in Pickwick, as I am sure you will enjoy the story.
I am currently reading 'Death and Mr. Pickwick' by Stephen Jarvis which has a lot of references to the orig.
I am glad you are back!


message 594: by Sue (new)

Sue K H (sky_bluez) | 3 comments Hi, I'm Sue and couldn't resist joining this group after seeing it come through Milena's feed. I'm a recent Dicken's lover after having joined the Catching up on Classics group last year and reading Bleak House. It was love at first book!

Well, I had read A Christmas Carol, but I don't really count that.

After Bleak House, I read read A Tale of Two Cities, and Great Expectations both of which were 5 star reads for me. I also read Hard Times but wasn't as impressed with that.

I probably won't be able to jump in with a group read until the Summer, but I couldn't resist joining now.


message 595: by Everyman (new)

Everyman | 827 comments Mod
Sue wrote: "Hi, I'm Sue and couldn't resist joining this group after seeing it come through Milena's feed. I'm a recent Dicken's lover after having joined the Catching up on Classics group last year and readin..."

Glad you did join us. We'll be sorry not to have you commenting on Pickwick, but that will last us almost to summer so we'll be able to look forward to you joining us for the next book.


message 596: by Sue (new)

Sue K H (sky_bluez) | 3 comments Everyman wrote: "Sue wrote: "Hi, I'm Sue and couldn't resist joining this group after seeing it come through Milena's feed. I'm a recent Dicken's lover after having joined the Catching up on Classics group last yea..."

Thanks! I'm glad I won't miss 2.


message 597: by Milena (new)

Milena | 114 comments Hello Sue, welcome, I'm glad to see you here! And I'm looking forward to you jumping in with a group read, when you can. :-))


message 598: by Tristram (new)

Tristram Shandy | 5005 comments Mod
Welcome Sue! You sound like a dyed-in-the-wool Dickens aficionado, and that's good.


message 599: by Sue (new)

Sue K H (sky_bluez) | 3 comments Milena wrote: "Hello Sue, welcome, I'm glad to see you here! And I'm looking forward to you jumping in with a group read, when you can. :-))"

Thanks Milena!


message 600: by Linda (new)

Linda | 372 comments Sue wrote: "Hi, I'm Sue and couldn't resist joining this group after seeing it come through Milena's feed. I'm a recent Dicken's lover..."

Welcome Sue! Your discovery of Dickens sounds similar to mine. I also read Bleak House with another GR group for a first experience (besides A Christmas Carol) and I instantly fell in love. I've now journeyed through about half of Dickens' works, this time all with this fine group of people. I'm glad you found us!


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