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Martyrs = devout opportunists? That seems needlessly offensive and doesn't bode well for my enjoyment of the book,

Jill wrote: "I haven't even finished the introduction, but reading the author's bio on the cover makes me wonder how someone who writes for Vogue and House & Garden will do at tackling a spiritual subject."
I'm curious about that as well. Nothing on the cover indicates relevant qualifications, though, of course, a faithful Catholic who happened to be a writer and was unhappy with the quality of the biographies on Teresa, or at least thought she had something to say that hadn't been said, would be at least potentially qualified.
I guess we'll see.
I'm curious about that as well. Nothing on the cover indicates relevant qualifications, though, of course, a faithful Catholic who happened to be a writer and was unhappy with the quality of the biographies on Teresa, or at least thought she had something to say that hadn't been said, would be at least potentially qualified.
I guess we'll see.

Jill wrote: "says she's Jewish. Perhaps we'll get a "feminist" take on Teresa, which could be wonderful or appalling!"
Who's Jewish - Medwick?
Who's Jewish - Medwick?

But she clearly does. I am curious where you saw that - it doesn't saw that in my book or in any of the resources I've looked at. Not that it's a problem; just curious.

Jane wrote: "Medwick is Jewish, but she seems to understand and respect Catholicism. I thought the "devout opportunist" quip was a bit tongue in cheek rather than meant satirically."
I agree - seen in the light of the rest of the book (I just finished). I also agree, Jane, that she seems to understand and respect Catholicism. I would go further and say that the book is written in a way that respects the truth of Teresa's experiences, indeed seems to present those as truth. Something I would think many non-Catholics might have difficulty with.
I agree - seen in the light of the rest of the book (I just finished). I also agree, Jane, that she seems to understand and respect Catholicism. I would go further and say that the book is written in a way that respects the truth of Teresa's experiences, indeed seems to present those as truth. Something I would think many non-Catholics might have difficulty with.


I found the historic explanations most helpful. When you read Catherine herself, it's often hard to tell what or whom she's talking about. Somehow I hadn't realized what a looming threat the Inquisition was to her (amazing she managed to evade even more suspicion). Nor was I aware of the importance of (not) having Jewish "blood" or background.
I still found all the comings and goings and foundations confusing and her going back and forth between "Calced" and "Discalced" communities (e.g. how could she go back to become superior at Encarnacion), but I guess the latter weren't as distinct as we think of them. I'm also not sure I understand how authority works (worked?) in women's religious orders. They seem to be able to elect their superior--except when the bishop or apostolic visitor or king or mayor...has a different idea! Maybe not "politics" as we think of it, but certainly plenty of intrigue. Amazing Catherine could keep such a level head.
At the beginning, I thought the author was going to make a lot of the almost-erotic dimensions of Catherine's religious fervor, but she's probably correct that the very young saint conflated chivalry with the religious life, especially when she started being "carried away" in ecstasies.
I couldn't keep straight all her various confessors, what she appreciated about each and the differences in how they advised/commanded her.
ironic that her raptures became "public" events; you'd think God could have orchestrated that better!
I don't see how anyone's enjoyment of receiving Christ in communion could be "inordinate", unless we're talking about sentimentalism.
Interesting how her biographers and admirers had to paint her as unwomanly, as if strength of character, determination, etc., are purely "masculine" virtues. Better to have demonstrated how she manifested them in a particularly feminine--and particularly Catherine--way. I do find it odd, though, even disordered, that a woman would be founding men's orders.
The building of hermitages inside convents made me wonder what the convents themselves were like; these were the "Discalced" ones, seems like they would have afforded plenty of quiet/solitude for reflective prayer.
The author seems to accept as natural whatever was believed/practiced at the time, e.g. a sick Catherine "had to" be purged and bled. Maybe that's how she can also talk about the saint's religious experiences so matter-of-factly.
Funny, I always assumed John of the Cross was older than Catherine and her inspiration, seems it was more the other way around.
I don't understand why so many of these convents had incomes or patrons, inevitable sources of conflict and compromise.
Jill wrote: "Finished the book a few days ago, slow about posting. But I'd better get to it, as the next selection arrived today! I found the historic explanations most helpful. When you read Catherine herself,..."
I have not been reading this book, but I wonder why you call Teresa "Catherine." You've done it six times in the comment, so it cannot be a misspelling :-) Is this the name the author of the book uses? Does she explain why?
I have not been reading this book, but I wonder why you call Teresa "Catherine." You've done it six times in the comment, so it cannot be a misspelling :-) Is this the name the author of the book uses? Does she explain why?
Jill wrote: "ironic that her raptures became "public" events; you'd think God could have orchestrated that better!
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While these events appeared to be discomforting to Teresa, I assume God knew what he was doing. :-)
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While these events appeared to be discomforting to Teresa, I assume God knew what he was doing. :-)
This thread is for sharing comments and note that come to you as you are reading the book.