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Please provide links to the items you are talking about. Things get NAB in error and can be reversed
The books on your shelves where NAB by a staff member and a librarian will not revert staff changes.You will need to wait until she sees the message or contact GR Support
This was already discussed here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...Scalight wrote: "It should be considered a book with a CD attached."
I'd say it was a CD with a booklet attached (which many classical CDs have).
Exactly my point that it is a book (booklet) connected to a CD. Which does not make it less than a book (see my points above).
If others would read/see the actual booklet then it could be discussed further on whether it should be included.
Why does a product that contains a CD not be considered a book? It discusses other things than just the music contained in the CD (at least in this series).
But a booklet isn't a book it's just a booklet.
The definition of a booklet is "a small book" (and these even have hardcovers).The Goodreads manual says calendars with additional content are books, and Blank books with additional text are books.
Is a calendar a book ? It is a calendar with some extra comments.
Is a blank book a book ? even with some additional text ?
The In Classical Mood books (or Booklets) are more book than the above two examples.
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Yes.
lethe wrote: "I'd say it was a CD with a booklet attached (which many classical CDs have)."
Precisely. These are music CDs, and Goodreads does not consider those books.
The CD's are NOT a book.But the Booklet is a book.
I just wanted a discussion on the reasoning for excluding.
No one has addressed my points.
But i guess the decision has been made.
Thank you for your time.
The items you name (calendars, "blank" books) are all stand-alone items. They do not accompany another item.You make it sound as if this is a book with a CD included, but it is a music CD with a booklet included. The CD is the main item here. I have many CDs with booklets included, and many have more than 25 pages. Yet I would never consider them books in their own right. Just as I wouldn't call the thick user's manual that comes with my camera a book.
If you look at the records, though, they are hardcovers. Not exactly booklets.
When I look at the series under 'Books' in Amazon, many are listed as Audio CD anyway: https://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=...In several of these listings, the booklet is described as a listener's guide. One seller I checked describes it thus:
"Audio CD attached to front inside board of hardback book (listening guide)."
(https://www.amazon.com/Overtures-Clas... )
The reviewers mainly mention the CDs, not the text.
As rivka said in the other thread, it is a borderline case, but I'd say the listener's guide accompanies the CD, not the other way around.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/191109These need to be NAB-bed. They are Hörspiel which means a radio play. As NAB instructs, theatrical productions/radio plays are not books.
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I would like to discuss why the series “In Classical Mood” is not considered a book.
The Goodreads manual listing of items that are not books includes
“* music (esp soundtracks) (but not bound sheet music)”
I agree that a music CD should NOT be considered a book, but this series is NOT just a CD.
It should be considered a book with a CD attached.
Each 25 page book includes the following:
1. Discussions regarding the story and meaning of each Opera
2. Historical information of the performance
3. Biographical information of the composers and performers
4. Information on that time in history and its influence on the composition
5. Discussions on what musical options are used to convey the emotion the composer was trying to evoke.
6. Key note trivia relating to the selections (such as related books, people and places)
Has anyone involved in the decision to change all of these to “Not A Book” looked at the actual item?
Because the series contains a music cd should not exclude the hard covered book (with ISBN #) from being considered a book and included as such on this site. (it is because I value Goodreads and the information it contains that I have decided to write this message).
When items which do not contain anywhere near the written educational information this series contains such as:
coloring books
calendars or something-a-day books with additional content
"blank" books with additional text or collectible artwork
are consider books, how can the In Classical Mood series be not considered books ?
Is it just because it contains an Audio CD ? If I removed the Audio CD from this product, it would stand alone and there would be no question that this is a book.
I again ask that someone who decides such things take an actual look at this series before excluding it.
At the very least, if the final ruling is NAB (which I truly cannot not see why) , the book cover should be allowed to be downloaded for our information. Many of these listed in Goodreads have book covers attached. My addition was rejected.
Thank you for your consideration.