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Black Sheep Group Read January 2017 Chapters 1-9
@Belinda I am also enjoying your fresh observations. I think Heyer was more comfortable with men. She was close to her brothers and had only one son, so she was surrounded by males her whole life. She sure knew how to write some great female characters though. Abby is one of my favorites.
I am listening to Barbara Leigh-Hunt read this book. I am not far in but am already laughing. This is my first read of this title.
QNPoohBear wrote: "@Belinda I am also enjoying your fresh observations. I think Heyer was more comfortable with men. She was close to her brothers and had only one son, so she was surrounded by males her whole life. ..."Hi QueenPB. Do you know I think GH was good at writing women who were strong, decided and had a lot of back bone - quite like herself I imagine. She was also very good at writing the simpering, manipulative younger miss - makes me wonder what she was like when younger!
Chapter 5 & 6 favourite bits:- '...there was apology as well as mockery in the smile directed at her over Fanny's head, and a disarming suggestion of fellowship, as though Mr Miles Calverleigh believed that in Miss Abigail Wendover he had discovered a kindred spirit'. Its interesting in some of the Heyer biographies I've read, its been said GH connection with her husband was more a meeting of minds and lifetime companions than physical. The ultimate for GH seems to be that two people are of equal (generally high) intelligence, are on the same wavelength and 'get' each other instantly - I've re-read some of her other books lately and all seem to prioritise thinking/feeling alike over other considerations such as whether they first thought each other was physically attractive or not (Horry, Sylvester with his devilish eyebrows). Also the hero and heroine need to have similar sense of humour, be practical with common sense, laugh at pomposity and ridiculous in others (Freddy aside). Is this ultimately what GH believes love is about? Finding a mirror of yourself?
- The way Oliver's character is established further - Lady Weaverham embarrasses Fanny by describing Stacey's decided attentions to her and Oliver draws her aside to ease over the social awkwardness - what a nice young man.
- Abby leaves the same time as Miles so we get another delicious encounter aka sparring match.
- Miles again assumes Abby is on the same wavelength and demands to know who Sir Joshua is. Then wryly says 'full of juice eh? picked up the title in the city'? Again, awareness of money and title/position, underlies all GH books as it made the regency world turn round. Similarities to Jane Austen abound as its all about power/money alliances where love was of secondary consideration but nice when you get both.
- Miles admits he has no manners to mend nor the smallest wish to be accepted into bath society. He knows he is detestable and the sooner she realises that, the better they will rub along!
- Miles is very forthright, in their first meeting in chapter 3 he instantly said 'I like you', then in the first meeting he calls her 'my pretty innocent' and ends their first meeting by saying 'I like the way your your eyes sparkle when your angry'. Is he the most forthright and blunt of all GH heros? I really love this about him. Its nice to be openly appreciated by a man and know where you stand instantly!
- In this second meeting in this chapter he again makes it clear he likes Abby very much. She knows all his questions about integrating into bath society are so that he can pursue her. He calls her 'my pretty rogue'.
- I love the fact he decides to walk her home and won't take no for an answer - a take charge kind of guy. Abby is a strong woman and could surely dominate a weaker man. She has met her match. He is not doing it to be chivalrous he is doing it because he likes her.
- What was his real reason for coming to Bath? Business ones?
- ' I promise you I wont blush'.
- 'You can't deny that [stacy making up to her niece] provides a very interesting situation!'. Abby - 'Excessively diverting, too!'. Sarcasm thick and fast. Real trading of blow for blow.
- " I see that I might as well address myself to a gate-post!". "What very odd things you seem to talk to!" he remarked. "Do you find gate-posts less responsive than eels?". I don't think I laugh out load at many GH lines but this one always gets me. He is being deliberately stubborn and obtuse. He refuses to budge from his position of indifference where as Abby frets and frets but at the same time can't help laughing at Miles and envying his detachment.
- Abby's introspective passage analysing why she liked him. She knows she is really keeping him around because she likes him and not because he can really do anything about her niece. She knows she could really snub him if she tried. I love it when she looks up at him and smiles and his smile transforms his harsh countenance. '..warming to laughter and holding ,be sides amusement, an indefinable look of understanding. He might mock, but not unkindly and when he discomfited her his smiling eyes conveyed sympathy as well as amusement, and clearly invited her to share his amusement.'
- Has the devil have you contrived to escape matrimony in all the unnumbered years of your life'? I love that Miles frankness again.
- You aren't old cattish are you? and her outrage at that response.
- Abby teasing him by pretending he could like the harmonic society with all their catches and glees!
- Miles 'Yes, if only I am not knocked-up by all the frisks and jollifications you've described to me'. You can imagine Bath would be extremely dull for someone who has walked on the 'wild side' of life in England and then completely left societal rules behind to a certain extent in India. Abby supposes he was no angel there but she really doesn't care less how many mistresses he had.
- Selina not liking the way Abby is a bit abusive when summing up Miles. To Selina, form and manners are everything. Selina's classic rambling conversation about fair ground freaks and then her 'sartorial' instincts suddenly being aroused by the sound of a sari and she is suddenly better and happy to come out of her self imposed illness seclusion.
- A third meeting with Miles with the morning visit. Selina is shocked how Abby fences with Miles and snubs him not realising they both enjoy it excessively.
- Fanny's astute observation that Abby should like Miles as he is a joke smith like he is. Its interesting Fanny says she doesn't care a straw for his being shabbily dressed and not having formal manners as she instantly feels as if you've known him a while. GH is excellent at 'chemistry' - when two personalities are put together and react well/explosively. You either have it or you don't. Selina is so funny as she is put out as he arrived in top boots and breeches (riding attire?).
- Abby making excuses as to why she should dress stunningly for the concert but really its to attract Miles.
- Miles calling out Mr Dunston's excessive praise of Abby as 'pouring the butter boat over you'. I love that phrase. Later on Miles calls Mr Dunstan a 'turnip sucker' which made me laugh out loud and makes Abby choke with laughter. He has such a pithy quick way of describing people in an instant. He also says outrageous things out loud that Abby must enjoy so much in an age of studied politeness - i.e. saying all of Lady Weaverham's 'amiable' daughters '"Good God! Are they all fubsy-faced?". Ha! I don't know what fubsy means but it doesn't sound polite.
-' I don't offer you spanish coin'.
-All the other four diamonds of the first water lack a certain something - Miles doesn't want to kiss them - have we ever had a more direct courtship than this? 'You are a darling'.
- The vibrato conversation. Miles had no idea what it meant but thought she shook like a blancmange all over and was much the same shape.
- The slimey way Stacey works over Selina and she falls for it. Then he tries to manipulate Abby by immediately saying he is not good enough for Fanny and how she says she would be so ungracious as to say that. Abby 'thought him less handsome but without knowing quite why'. She realises his smile does not reach his eyes and 'thought they held a calculating look' as he watched her as he performed to see her reaction.
- Fencing with Stacey - basically saying you would forgive your uncle if he arrived back from England loaded with money? Again, brutal realities of the world. Selina to her credit says money could not establish character and a man who had been disowned by his family couldn't be expected to come back and shower them in guineas. 'Bravo Selina' says Abby - that is much like Miles congratulating people where they are brave or stick up for something. Miles and Abby are very much alike.
- The sickeningly caressing way Stacey says 'tell me all the bath news, I feel as I had been away for a 12 month'. Pass me a bucket please!
- The way Abby was secretly pleased that Stacy seemed a bit put out that he had a rival for Fanny's attention with the arrival of Oliver Grayshott.
Chapter 7 Favourite bits:- Here we really see Stacey's motivations and inner dialogue.
- In the classic first meeting between Stacey and Miles we see that Miles is laid back and as blunt with Stacey as he is with anyone else.
- I wondered where GH says Miles is tall, in this chapter he is referred to with his 'superior height' and in later chapters they talk of his long legs. You can just see him lounging around near the fire with a 'cheroot', or cigarette in hand and his extremely tanned face.
- Its interesting that in those times a tan was seen as working class - i.e. you worked outdoors or in trade for a living. Lily white skin was yet another way of showing you had so much money you didn't have to labour outside and such fine white hands (that were not roughened by work) that you never did menial things such as wash your own clothes or cooked your own meals everyday.
- Stacey obviously places a lot of importance on title and your 'place' in society as he felt Miles didn't look up to him as head of house enough. Its interesting Stacey has only his title to hold onto (even generate money from!) and has nothing else. He had cultivated a 'smiling countenance' and lived on the fringe of society and was very sensitive to snubs and first impressions. He traded on them where possible.
- Miles bluntness causes Stacey to reveal a bit more of his true colours and what his real motivations are.
- This conversation shows GH mastery or slang as there is a bit of a it. 'open your budget', 'Im not into punctilio' etc etc..
- I love Miles comment that women do love a rake (in reference to Aunty Letty).
- Stacey is astute enough when it comes to people if he wants to use them - he can tell Miles gets on with Abby so he wants to use that so shows up at the ball in all his understated glamour and tries to turn up his uncle sweet.
- Yet another funny side character in Mrs Ruscombe whom also attributes damming comments to her husband but has 5 daughters to dispose of - what alot of daughters!
- A description of what a coxcomb is.
- Abby and Miles conversation that there aren't many people you like on first acquaintance.
- Abby's detects strength in miles the lay beneath his harsh countenance. A certain ruthlessness which underlay his careless manners. How right she is.
- Miles rescuing Abby on the riding party scheme - again with a smile at her with complete understanding of the situation
Bravo, Belinda - you bring back all those scenes vividly and my thoughts and amusement at the time along with them, thank you!
I’m enjoying your posts as well, Belinda! I think you’re on to the heart of GH’s appeal for me when you say, “Its interesting in some of the Heyer biographies I've read, its been said GH connection with her husband was more a meeting of minds and lifetime companions than physical. The ultimate for GH seems to be that two people are of equal (generally high) intelligence, are on the same wavelength and 'get' each other instantly - I've re-read some of her other books lately and all seem to prioritise thinking/feeling alike over other considerations such as whether they first thought each other was physically attractive or no.”
Modern romances that are all about petulant arguments and physical attraction are so disappointing to me! The characters can argue, fine; but there has to be that meeting of minds, minds and deepest values. We tend to think of “values” in a religious context in the United States, but really, they’re so much more—how one deals with one’s fellowman in all encounters, great and small. We see early on with Miles that he is impatient with the small encounters but right on target with the great ones. Abby’s life is being tyrannized over by the small things, and she’s drawn to Miles because he holds the promise of sweeping them all away without losing track of the virtues that matter.
Ugh. I forgot how much Fanny annoys me... Poor Abby really has to put up with a lot from her family. Good thing she has Miles in her life. He has a knack for making her see the humor in a situation. I forgot how much I loved their relationship.
Thanks Susan! I like spending time with something I like and I think I'm allowed to ramble at length her as I'm amongst fellow GH fans!
Abigail (I like your name by the way -were your parents GH fans?). Your post is so right - I don't read any other 'romance' apart from GH because I find it predictable and flat. I thought it was because they didn't draw characters as well but it's the fact the meat on the central romance is missing. Yes Abby was tyrannised by small things - as most women can be when they have dependants!
Abigail wrote: "I’m enjoying your posts as well, Belinda! I think you’re on to the heart of GH’s appeal for me when you say, “Its interesting in some of the Heyer biographies I've read, its been said GH connectio..."
Well said- Abby's life "is tyrannized over by the small things". And I agree, Miles is a smart, funny, warm, self-deprecating but strong soulmate (to use a cheesy term) who not only instantly gets her but can sweep away all the nonsense. And as Andrea points out, can help Abby see the humor in situations - takes the sting out it and helps her realize she doesn't have to be hamstrung by her family's expectations.
Actually, I got “Abigail” because my father’s side of the family was inordinately snobbish about their Revolutionary ancestors (think Abigail Adams). My first name is Hillary, which I’d love to embrace these days but I have a cousin with the same name and life gets too confusing that way.
Abigail wrote: "Actually, I got “Abigail” because my father’s side of the family was inordinately snobbish about their Revolutionary ancestors (think Abigail Adams). My first name is Hillary, which I’d love to emb..."What a great story to share!
Chapter 8 - I've looked up the quote 'cabin'd, cribbed and confined'. I admit I had no idea what it was - its Shakespeare Macbeth, Act 3, Scene 4, page 2 ( I didn't do much Shakespeare at school unfortunately). Macbeth himself talking to some murderers he has hired to kill Banquo and his son:"Then comes my fit again. I had else been perfect,
Whole as the marble, founded as the rock,
As broad and general as the casing air.
But now I am cabined, cribbed, confined, bound in
To saucy doubts and fears.—But Banquo’s safe?"http://nfs.sparknotes.com/macbeth/pag...
Apparently GH knew Shakespeare very well and could quote chunks of it off by heart.
Chapter 8 favourite bits:- This is where Abby really gets to know Miles on the day trip.
- I like their frank discussion on the limitations of being a female in that age and Abby's frank assessment of the cleverness or lack thereof in her family members and herself.
- Miles says he likes the way she says whatever was in her head and asks her not to change. That is always a sign your with the right person if they like you the way you are!
- How can you ever be 'too bookish'? GH must know most of the people reading her books would consider themselves 'bookish'?
- Stacey's very overt and cloying conversations with Abby which disgust her so much she just rides ahead. 'Disengenious' is a great word and I will use it more in my day to day life.
- The run in between Abby and Fanny is so well written from the perspective that GH captures a young, spoilt and love lorn teenager so well.
- 'Cut line nevvy' the phrase from Miles' next meeting with Stacy where Stacy got 'ape-drunk'.
- 'I don't plead any causes except my own'. Stacy goes through the education process of learning that Miles truly is a 'care for nobody'. Its very true Stacy wouldn't have cared less if his Uncle Miles was rolled up so why should Miles care about him?
- I think the phrase 'care for nobody' comes from the 'jolly miller' poem that I read as a child:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_...
Chapter 9 favourite bits:- Abby's lack of recognition that she was losing her heart to Miles. She simply thought she was trying to encourage him to intervene on the issue of Fanny & Stacy and she thought he was only pursuing an 'idle flirtation' with her.
- Selina's tortured invitation to Miles to have dinner that Miles instantly read through 'she hopes I may break my leg, or be laid low of severe colic'.
- Abby's breathlessness at the play when she realises Miles was serious about her and there was a light glow in his eye. 'This will never do!' but then she thought she was mistaken as he said one of his usual diverting remarks.
- Expedition to Wells - Abby tries to make up as many persons as possible that may take her place in the carriage and Miles shoots each alternative down.
I had forgotten Miles' incredible wit! Some of these have made me chortle out loud. Here's a good one in Chapter 8, where Stacy has decided to enlist Miles' help with Abby...."Nothing I could say had the least effect on her!"
"You can't tell that. The chances are you made her feel damned queasy."
I just about choked on my coffee...
Karlyne wrote: "I had forgotten Miles' incredible wit! Some of these have made me chortle out loud. Here's a good one in Chapter 8, where Stacy has decided to enlist Miles' help with Abby...."Nothing I could say..."
Heh! I loved that line!
Carol ♔Type, Oh Queen!♕ wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "I had forgotten Miles' incredible wit! Some of these have made me chortle out loud. Here's a good one in Chapter 8, where Stacy has decided to enlist Miles' help with Abby...."Not..."
I love this kind of humor - this time around he's moving up on my heroes list!
Karlyne wrote: "I had forgotten Miles' incredible wit! Some of these have made me chortle out loud. Here's a good one in Chapter 8, where Stacy has decided to enlist Miles' help with Abby...."Nothing I could say..."
LOL, i'd forgotten that one! For me it was a sandwich- take care, fellow Heyer fans!
I just started laughing again, and now it's a salad that's choking me. Much more dangerous.
P.S. We should stick to coffee, Susan...
I've always had the Nonesuch as my favorite hero but I have to say Miles is up there with him. The comedy in this novel is brilliant without detracting from the serious story.
Teresa wrote: "I've always had the Nonesuch as my favorite hero but I have to say Miles is up there with him. The comedy in this novel is brilliant without detracting from the serious story."I wish I'd counted all of his humorous remarks, but I didn't. I think the funniest ones, though, are the ones where his victims have absolutely no idea that he has zinged them.
Karlyne wrote: I wish I'd counted all of his humorous remarks, but I didn't. I think the funniest ones, though, are the ones where his victims have absolutely no idea that he has zinged them. "I love that kind of humor in novels. Georgette Heyer was a master and Miles has long since been one of my favorite heroes.
QNPoohBear wrote: "Karlyne wrote: I wish I'd counted all of his humorous remarks, but I didn't. I think the funniest ones, though, are the ones where his victims have absolutely no idea that he has zinged them. "I ..."
I remember when I first read Shakespeare how surprised I was at the humor - even in the tragedies. I think all great writers are able to handle serious issues while still making us laugh at times.
I'm kind of amazed that I haven't read this one in so long. I don't remember liking it much when I first read it (in my 20s). This surprises and perplexes me because I am loving it now.After Chapter 2, I knew that we had better get Our Hero on the scene quickly because this story desperately needed a shot of testosterone. And boy, did it get one! I'm a little bit in love with Miles right now. He and Abby are such an appealing and entertaining couple.
I must admit, I sympathize with Abby wanting Fanny's eyes to be opened to Stacy's true character, because I think Abby needs the same thing in regard to Miles. She knows he's different from any other man of her acquaintance, but she doesn't realize -- yet -- what a find he is.
The focus on respectability resonates with me because I grew up as a "preacher's kid" and most decisions in our family were made based on what people in the church would think. I was always envious of people who could say, "I don't care what anyone thinks" and mean it -- it was very, very hard for me to let go of that. My husband, thankfully, is like Miles in that regard. He does the right thing simply because it's the right thing, not because of what someone will think if he doesn't do it.
Karlyne wrote: "P.S. We should stick to coffee, Susan..."Or water, room temperature? Easier on the nose...
Karlyne wrote: "Teresa wrote: "I've always had the Nonesuch as my favorite hero but I have to say Miles is up there with him. The comedy in this novel is brilliant without detracting from the serious story."I wi..."
Yes! Miles is so laid back and amiable, the zingers fly right past his victims.
Elza wrote: "I'm kind of amazed that I haven't read this one in so long. I don't remember liking it much when I first read it (in my 20s). This surprises and perplexes me because I am loving it now.After Chap..."
Very interesting, Elza - and my husband is the same way, does the right thing because it's the right thing to do and couldn't give a fig what anyone thinks. Miles also reminds me of my husband because he's so laid back and even-tempered, unless pushed - like the ending! No spoilers, but that's the kind of thing my husband would do...;)
Belinda wrote: "I agree with both barb and Susan. Selina is such a perfectly written character I feel as if she is real. If you were a rich middle aged female who was prevented from working - what else could you d..."well, you could always get involved in charitable causes. be like Aarabella and try to help the poor or something. or be an intellectual and study something.
Louise wrote: "Belinda wrote: "I agree with both barb and Susan. Selina is such a perfectly written character I feel as if she is real. If you were a rich middle aged female who was prevented from working - what ..."I agree, Louise! There might not have been a lot of paid options for women (or for men) at that time, but there were still lots of other worthwhile things to do!
Louise wrote: "Belinda wrote: "I agree with both barb and Susan. Selina is such a perfectly written character I feel as if she is real. If you were a rich middle aged female who was prevented from working - what ..."Yes! I'd be the biggest geeky bluestocking!
Susan in NC wrote: "Louise wrote: "Belinda wrote: "I agree with both barb and Susan. Selina is such a perfectly written character I feel as if she is real. If you were a rich middle aged female who was prevented from ..."Imagine it! People cooking for you, doing your laundry, cleaning the house and just waiting to drive you around... When I wasn't ruining my eyes with a book by candlelight, I'd be ordering the gardener around and rescuing chimneysweeps!
Karlyne wrote: "Susan in NC wrote: "Louise wrote: "Belinda wrote: "I agree with both barb and Susan. Selina is such a perfectly written character I feel as if she is real. If you were a rich middle aged female who..."Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking!
I think Arabella was unusual in the way she was raised: very strict and expected to do both household and charitable works. I can imagine not knowing any better than to try and fill my days with gossip and, possibly, some hypochondria.
Jackie wrote: "I think Arabella was unusual in the way she was raised: very strict and expected to do both household and charitable works. I can imagine not knowing any better than to try and fill my days with ..."
A lot of it, of course, is going to boil down to innate temperaments, too. Selina knuckles down to her father's orders because she'd be afraid not to. Abby, on the other hand, obeys more because she thinks it's the right thing to do. She's a thinker, and Selina is not.
Jackie wrote: "I think Arabella was unusual in the way she was raised: very strict and expected to do both household and charitable works. I can imagine not knowing any better than to try and fill my days with ..."
it would not be unusual for a clergyman's daughter to be encouraged to do charitable works, and upper class women generally were expected to take an interest in the local poor. and if they were not that well off, it wouldn'r be unheard of for them to participate in domestic tasks. in Pride and prejudice for example, mrs bennet is indignant when mr collins asks which of her daughters is responsible for the dinner they are eating, she is affronted that he thinks they can't afford to keep a cook. So it can't have been unheard of for girls from gentry families to have to participate in household chores, if they were not well off, or mr collins would not have asked that question.
And for girls who craved intellectual activity, there would be opportunity for self education. For example, mary Fairfax somerville, who was a physicist, geographer and mathematician, was born in 1780, the daughter of a vice admiral, and was almost entirely self educated. when she was fifteen, she noticed some algebraic equations which were used as decoration in a fashion magazine. This sparked a curiosity to discover more about maths, and she studied euclid, newton, and other authors. she wrote books and Somerville college, the first women's college in oxford, was named after her. there would be nothing to stop upper class women with well stocked libraries from intellectual studies.
Louise wrote: "Jackie wrote: "I think Arabella was unusual in the way she was raised: very strict and expected to do both household and charitable works. I can imagine not knowing any better than to try and fil..."
I agree, Louise! It's more about temperament than anything else. It certainly helps to have a supportive up-bringing, but anyone who wants to do something will find a way to do it.
I have finally given up with the struggle I'm having reading my quite old print version of Black Sheep I borrowed from the library. I don't know why, but it is one of the few titles they haven't replaced with newer reprints, but it would be much easier to read for my poor old eyes since they have bigger print.Anyway, I've given in and gone for the kindle version, so will re-start the book at lunchtime and will surely enjoy it more than I have been.
Ella's Gran wrote: "I have finally given up with the struggle I'm having reading my quite old print version of Black Sheep I borrowed from the library. I don't know why, but it is one of the few titles they haven't re..."Good luck then! Sorry about the small print issues.
Karlyne wrote: "Ella's Gran wrote: "I have finally given up with the struggle I'm having reading my quite old print version of Black Sheep I borrowed from the library. I don't know why, but it is one of the few ti..."I just wish my eyes weren't wearing out!! :)
Ella's Gran wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "Ella's Gran wrote: "I have finally given up with the struggle I'm having reading my quite old print version of Black Sheep I borrowed from the library. I don't know why, but it is o..."I feel your pain! For some strange reason, I always thought that being incredibly near-sighted would mean that's all I had to deal with. But, no, they do wear out, and I'm seeing (ha!) definitely worse vision. Sigh!
I have no pride anymore about haunting the "large print" section of my library...such bliss!
When my wife had bad eye problems, her Kindle books had thousands of pages, with her setting the print very large.
I too look for big print. If a book has tiny print I just have to give up on it. Not worth the strain. So you're not alone Ella's Gran.
Well, I'm finally back to where I had struggled to in print. Isn't it just wonderful not to have to strain to read. You can relax and get so involved in the story.Miles and Abigail make the most wonderful romantic couple. So perfectly suited to each other in that they share the same values and sense of humour. Hopefully Abigail soon comes to terms with her worthiness of Miles attentions. I think Selina is rather lovely in her own way too.
As for Stacy! I did enjoy how Miles put him in his place. So well done, and had me chortling from time to time. Perhaps Stacy and that minx Fanny deserve each other, but I can understand Abigail trying to protect Fanny.
Onwards!
Ella's Gran wrote: "Well, I'm finally back to where I had struggled to in print. Isn't it just wonderful not to have to strain to read. You can relax and get so involved in the story.Miles and Abigail make the most ..."
Glad you have found a copy you can read, Lesley!
Carol ♔Type, Oh Queen!♕ wrote: "Ella's Gran wrote: "Well, I'm finally back to where I had struggled to in print. Isn't it just wonderful not to have to strain to read. You can relax and get so involved in the story.Miles and Ab..."
Not as pleased as me! :) My library only had an ancient copy of Lady of Quality so I booked an e-book version of it with Open Library when there were 5 people on the waiting list. Just checked and there's just 2 ahead of me now so hoping to have that before the end of the month.
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As I've finished the book, I will refrain from posting in this thread as I am terrible at remembering the events in order and usually try to post as I'm reading, but I've not had much time to do so.
Belinda - I really enjoyed reading your observations and favorite parts!