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Mrs. Asti | 14 comments Mod
Jane Austen’s novels are comedies of manners. According to Perrine, tragedies reveal the potential nobility of humankind and comedies their limitations and follies. Discuss ways in which "Pride & Prejudice" fulfills the role of comedy and yet provides a significant human experience without tragedy. Justify whether or not a book with a happy ending is as revealing as the dark endings of tragedy.

In a concise paragraph (at least 150 words), respond to the prompt above. Then, assign a Critical Theory Category to the question and explain why this question falls into this category. Respond to this post using the comment link below. At the top of your post, please include your first and last name.


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Luciana (lucianamia) | 7 comments Luciana Reynoso

In Jane Austen’s novel “Pride and Prejudice” she is infamously known for creating a form called contemporary romantic comedy, comedy Is the idea of the novel with a perfect ending. The way comedy is used within this novel is primarily seen in the relationship between Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennet they are not necessarily meant for one another in the beginning but over time they eventually both learn to grow beyond their different social standards and giving their love a chance. Although the novel does end with happy events the characters along the way had to experience a lot of unhappiness due to their own decisions. Overall the novel is not a tragedy but it has some characteristics of what a tragedy may be. This topic can tie into Marxism, a class struggle between Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennet made it hard for acceptances on both parts, they would both delay their feelings and between that all they would learn valuable lessons.


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Melissa Traebecke (obiwance) | 7 comments Melissa Traebecke

Jane Austen's novel Pride and Prejudice was well-known for its rather odd way of opposites attract type of romance. Ironically, being a contemporary romance comedy, it was a bumpy ride dealing with rather miserable endings for certain characters, though Elizabeth and Darcy were able to realize the feelings they had for one another regardless of their socio-economic differences. The two characters confronted many challenges and obstacles within themselves before truly accepting each other's love. Pride and Prejudice may not be a novel of tragedy, but it did have tragedies for other characters or mishaps that may have led to tragedy, though in the end love prevailed. Thus, there can be books that reveal as much dark endings to a tragedy, but still have a happy ending since the character, in spite of all they went through their character development and the outcome of how they were able to change for the better is their own form of a happy ending.


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Amlex Bencosme | 10 comments Amlex Bencosme

In the esteemed and long-loved novel “Pride and Prejudice,” Jane Austen takes her readers through dips and turns filled with humorous dialogue, without ever losing profound significance on the human experience. The ironic and comedic tones are embodied by Austen’s characters. Elizabeth is an eloquent and sarcastic young lady who defies social norms, and must surpass her prejudices to see beyond status; Mr. Bennet and Mrs. Bennet are a dynamic duo who highly contrast each other, and serve as archetypes to the cause of marrying under the motives of increasing one’s economy and producing attractive offspring. Without ever revealing a tragedy as traumatic as Oedipus’s-although Lydia’s elopement did seem to equate the horror of an unknown incestuous relationship with one’s own mother- Austen successfully manages to illustrate the fallacies in humankind. This question would most likely fall under the Structuralist Criticism. This is so due to the need of viewing the differing relationships and how they unite to conclude to a higher meaning; as well as relating the work’s comedic aspects to its overall view on socio-economic dynamics, and pride and prejudice. The ending does not justify whether or not a work of literature has completed a certain task. “Pride and Prejudice” tells a story that leaves one eager to turn the page-especially eager to read a “Mr. Collins” letter and enjoy a much needed laugh.


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Jay | 13 comments jayri santos 1/7/2016

Pride and Prejudice written by Jane Austen could be described as written in a way that fulfills the role of comedy and at the same time provides a significant human experience without tragedy, because of the time the characters in the book were written in and Austen herself were living in. An example of this would be the different ways people would talk or approach each other, such as everyone had a role on who to talk to and how. Jane Bennet wouldn’t be able to go up to Mr. Bingley and say “hey what’s up? Are you going to marry me or not?” that would have been described as social suicide. Austen is ahead of her time by noticing these interactions and arranges her characters in a way that conflicts them on what to say or how to act, and that creates tension within themselves. By doing this Austen fulfills the role of comedy and at the same time provides a significant human experience without tragedy. A book with a happy ending is as revealing as a book with a dark ending of tragedy because, in both, the person who is reading it doesn’t know what’s going to occur in the end. This question falls under structuralist criticism because, of how it’s conveyed such as “how does Pride and Prejudice” fulfills the role of comedy?” or “justify whether or not a book with a happy ending is as revealing as the dark endings of tragedy.” structural criticism has to deal with the shift in tone, meaningful pattern, and what feelings do you find?


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Erin Gallo | 13 comments Erin Gallo
In the novel “Pride and Prejudice”, Jane Austen depicts comedy and allows it to become a qualifying structure in her book. Comedy is exactly when a dramatic work that is amusing comes to a happy or successful ending. Austen significantly placed comedy in the novel through the characters Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennet. The relationship between the two individuals started with a honey moon love and led to a lot of disruptions whether it was Mr. Darcy coming in between Jane’s marriage or if it was Elizabeth failure to understand the whole situation before going off on him for his pride after his proposal. The bumps in the relationship kept readers amused and curious to what was going to happen next just like in their first meeting at the assembly where he just saw her as tolerable but not good enough. Although the situation was confusing and had its consequences, it is not a typical human tragedy yet still brought these two together which supports the structure. Regardless of the revelations, the couple came into an understanding after Mr. Darcy’s letter and pushed for a long-loving marriage with understanding. I say the critical approach here would be Under deconstruction because the nature of language that being one’s pride took away from the true intentions and meaning in the long run like Mr. Darcy.


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Xayanjely Lopez | 14 comments Xayanjely Lopez
Through the use of characters in "Pride and Prejudice", the comical enhancement can be foreseen as one that is very subtle.For example, Mr. Collins is a very comedic character though that is not his purpose. His uptightness and his belief to be of upmost importance to the world is hilarious to the readers because almost every character he encounters dismisses him without second thought. This fulfillment of comedy does not take away from the portrayal of human experience without including personal tradgedy. One form in which this is done is through the problem of each character. Because each character is to go through at least one hardship,the readers are allowed to sympathize with the characters and even sometimes feel like they can relate. Though the novel does not include dark tradgedy, the happy ending in Austen's story is just as revealing as any due to the fact that the characters have an abundant amount of obstacles to overcome before any of them can have their happy ending.


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Xayanjely Lopez | 14 comments The critical theory category that this would pertain to is structuralistic criticism because there is a system that is set between each character and their relations.


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Speedy (shary-speedy) | 13 comments Sharina Hernandez

In colloquial use, a comedy refers to something that is funny. However, in medieval narratives, as define by Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a comedy is a “drama of light and amusing character and typically with a happy ending”. Pride and Prejudice falls under this genre due to the abundance of characters that are “light and amusing” like Mrs. Bennett, Lydia Bennett, and even Mr. Bingley. All of these characters have an important role in the novel with plot development. They are also able to provide a more calming mood devoid of seriousness and anguish. For instance, when discussing marriage, Mrs. Bennett is able to downsize its emotional importance, which is highly respected by her eldest daughters. Lydia’s playful character also relieves some tension between the confliction couples in their difficulties when she runs off with Wickham. Although it does provide concern from the family, the situation deviates the reader’s attention from Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth. The story is still able to illustrate relatable human experiences that are not necessarily tragic. Yes, they are dramatic, but not tragic in the sense that a character experiences a downfall. The scandal regarding Wickham and Lydia’s marriage, for example, was an important experience for Lydia and the society since it allowed others to see Wickham’s true character. I believe that a comedy can be just as revealing as a tragedy but in different aspects. The former is able to reveal the extent of a character’s ability as well as their shortcomings. It is also able to reflect the challenges the characters endure to achieve their happy ending. In contrast, a tragedy reveals a character’s failure in order to highlight the limitations of mankind as a whole. It also serves as a reminder of the potential of humankind and how one should not try to exceed their boundaries.
This prompt can be categorized as a psychological critical theory since it calls for the reader to assess how the character’s motivations are revealed. In highlighting to methods of revealing one’s character (comedy or tragedy), it calls the reader to determine how linguistic elements used in the novel were used to bring about such changes.


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Brenda Suarez | 5 comments Brenda Suarez

Jane Austen does indeed create a romantic yet comical novel that undoubtedly is influenced by many aspects including tragedy. Although the novel Pride & Prejudice is not a tragic love story due to the fact hat like most novels, it ends successfully and happily, the unraveling of plot to ending is a comedy laced with tragedy. The inability of Darcy and Elizabeth to fall happily in love at the beginning of the story contributes to the comedy that is found in many parts of the story starting with their awkward and often times unpleasant encounters. The relationship of the Bennets, the encounters with Darcy, and even the dialogue throughout the novel are comical aspects showing the human experience Jane Austen wished to create in her writing. Ultimately, tragedy does not prevail in this love story as the humor and love even surpasses the pride and prejudices encountered. The prompt is a psychological critical theory because it analyzes the notion behind and of human behavior.


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Kellany Marin | 9 comments Kellany Marin

Jane Austen s known for creating " romantic comedy" which is a novel that ends with the picture perfect ending that everyone hopes for as they read a romance novel. The relationship between Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennet is the comedy in this novel their love takes time to develop throughout the novel but they eventually compromise and create a more pure love. Although this novel has the perfect ending the characters experience a lot of unhappiness throughout the development of the novel due to many bad decisions. The novel does not revolve around a tragedy but the novel does give the reader a taste of a tragic moment. The struggle between Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennet made it hard to gain acceptances in the community but even harder to form a relationship on both parts, this is a good example of Marxism. This obstacle thought Mr.Darcy and Elizabeth teaches many valuable lessons that will help them carry out their relationship.


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Sergio | 11 comments Sergio Gomez

In Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice", the reader is taken through the story of the Bennet family as they try to find love. While it may may have some events that are unhappier than others, the story itself is a comedy because of the different characters that do not have any dark pasts or needs but are instead happy and the happy ending that finds Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth in love with each other and happily engaged. The story also provides a human experience that is not filled with tragedy by showing its characters struggling to come to terms with what they believe in in the face of both society and family. An example of this would be the rich Mr Darcy's and the independent Elizabeth's forbidden love with each other.. This prompt falls under structural criticism as it deals with the changes in the story, such as the the shift in tone and the patterns found throughout the story.


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Tajae | 7 comments In Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejdice", Austen is known for writing romantic comedies such as it being portrayed with the relationship between Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett. At first it is shown that they aren't truly meant for each other because of the comment first made by Mr. Darcy. but throughout both begin to grow their relationship putting their different standards behind them. Although the novel does have an happy ending, the characters had to go through hardships throughout. A book with a happy ending is not the same as revealing dark endings of a tragedy because one can end in a character suffering for the rest of his/her life and the other can end with the usual fairy tale and the character lives happily ever after. This can be tied with Marxism, a struggle between Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett making it hard for both of them to accept one another, but then putting that aside and learning a lesson.


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Natalie | 12 comments Natalie Roque

In Jane Austen’s "Pride and Prejudice", a comedic role can be identified through the actions and words of its own characters. A clear example of this can be found in Mr. Collins’ character, his bitter attitude causes other characters to dismiss and not want to associate themselves with him, causing readers to laugh at his humiliation. This inclusion of comedy does not take away from the portrayal of human experience without including personal tragedy though. Through the character’s hardships and experiences, readers can feel like they can relate to the novel a bit more. Readers can sympathize with the characters and this can sometimes make readers understand and better-analyze the novel as a whole. The critical theory category that this would fall under, I would say is reader -response criticism due to the relationship between the readers and the relatable characters that initiates a response or inference from us as readers. All in all, the novel does not include dark tragedy but a happy ending in this story is just as revealing as any considering the obstacles the characters overcome to reach a happy ending.


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Dulce Lazo | 6 comments Jane Austen portrays “Romantic comedy” throughout her various novels and allows it to become a core concept through her book.
The humor used by Austen was created to ridicule those individuals that base their relationships sorely on flattery, or those who are self-centered. In the Novel Austen presents Mr. Collins as a being with extreme formality. Such as using an elegant language to classifies himself as an embodiment of elegance which is ironic because his true personality is contradictory.
Another example is the relationship between Mr. Darcy and Bennett at the beginning which they have encountered various difficulties but after all complications were put aside, Both Characters admired each other for reasons other than money and ultimately learn to grow in time their differences that are outside the social norms. In general, the Novel does not present dark tragedy but romantic tragedy within the characters and the obstacles that are overcome to reach a happy ending. Structuralism criticism is used to characterize the individuals through their relationship to each other and the effects of certain events throughout the story.


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Paola Badillo | 10 comments Pride and Prejudice fulfills the role of comedy in many ways, such ways as by portraying a unique manor within Elizabeths family, yet there is a significant human experience within the love triangles and obstacles built by themselves. This is portrayed without tragedy due to the happy endings although in the course of the novel there was an eloped marriage and a broken relationship. Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy are a perfect example of a tragedy within happiness. They went through rough patches and broke many rules. Yet managed to still fall in love and unite and odd but passionate ways. Jane and Bingley were the perfect example of an happily every after even though Mr. Darcy tried to separate them for personal matters. Everyone found there ways and happily every afters at the end...


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Aaron Chichester | 13 comments Aaron Chichester
“Pride and Prejudice”, written by Jane Austen, is considered a contemporary romantic comedy due to the happy endings portrayed in the book. Although tragedies typically emphasize a significant experience, Austen manages to provide one, with the inclusion of comedy and satire instead of tragedy. Comedy is mostly expressed when considering Mr. Darcy’s and Elizabeth Bennet’s subtle attractions towards one another. Their relationship can be seen as an emotional rollercoaster because of the never ending inconsistency of a harmonizing attraction between the two. For example, when Elizabeth sees Mr. Darcy at the ball, she is attracted to him until Mr. Darcy completely denies her. However, the roles are reversed when Mr. Darcy begins to garner an interest in Elizabeth but she subsequently plays hard to get. Books with happy endings can sometimes be as revealing as stories with dark endings depending on how well the author is at foreshadowing. I would assign the “Deconstructive Criticism” critical theory to this question because it entails oppositions and cultural assumptions.


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Bryan | 12 comments Bryan Rojas
In Jane Austen’s novel “Pride and Prejudice” she utilizes various techniques to tell a romantic story of the main protagonist Elizabeth Bennet. Elizabeth’s witty and sarcastic personality not only creates a comedic tone for the novel as a whole, but also is able to identity the many issues of the social norms for women during this time period. Certain characters within the novel encounter more dramatic experiences than others but despite these events the novel does succeed at being a romantic comedy instead of a tragedy. The novel concludes with the main protagonist finding true love ironically with the person she never thought she would end up with. Yet the book ending with a happy ending it does well successfully revealing itself instead of being a tragedy. This prompt does fall under the category of a structuralist criticism because of the use comedic tone that heavily influences the novel and its storytelling.


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Crystal | 12 comments Crystal Verdecia

Jane Austen novel “Pride and Prejudice” fulfills the role of comedy and yet provides a significant human experience that is completed with dark ending. Austen creates a realistic love story which includes tragedy and hardships that the characters face. There are loves story that takes place within the book Mr.Bingley and Jane, and Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy. Although there have an is an insight both relationships the book focuses more on Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy’s relationship and talks more their hardships and tragedy they faced. The main the hardship that both Elizabeth and Darcy faced was their pride which kept them apart but they came to the realization of their feelings and which lead to their happiness together. Other obstacles that block their love was their different social status and Elizabeth’s family who not only affect Mr. Darcy relationship but Mr.Bingley’s relationship with Jane. Even though the Darcy and Elizabeth end up together and are finally happy it’s still a dark ending for look at everything they went to through. Austen’s novel provides comedy for the reader that is mostly from Elizabeth sarcastic manners and teasing to some, like Mr. Collins or Mr. Darcy. The Mr. Collins and Mrs.Bennet as well as other characters also bring comedy but mostly those two for some of their actions and sayings are so absurd. This brings the novel together as a whole where comedy, love and happiness but with dark ending takes place. I think this question falls under reader-response and psychological criticism because it is asking the reader to make an inference on what kind of ending it was and how Austen mindset was in the novel.


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Solange | 13 comments Solange Cordovi
Jane Austin creates a repertoire of characters whose interactions and personalities add to the comedy of the novel. In the first pages of Pride and Prejudice, the relationship between Mr. Bennet and Mrs. Bennet serve as a comedic one at best. These two contradicting characters undoubtedly add to the complexity of the novel as they both comedically balance one another. Mr. Bennet has evidently had his share of his wife’s nerves -“They are my old friends.” In addition to the Bennet pair, Mr. Collins is also a humorous character. His pretentious personality and pompous persona serve as a good laugh to the reader. He is portrayed as a snobby little man with little support. Austin allows the reader to laugh at life’s course. Regardless of the trials taken, the destination was universal. The critics this falls into is structuralism as the relationships between the characters create a comedic tone. Only through analysis will the reader understand the underlying comedic tones.


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