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message 1: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
I was giving thought to making a group dedicated to the Pay it Forward challenge to see if it might benefit other authors and give them a positive outlet to promote their work and one another's.
Since we've had a number of people participate here I wanted to see what your thoughts were on the challenge and see if I could apply that to a group setting.


message 2: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments I am good either way.


message 3: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments Oh, as for my thoughts - I love the challenge! It's been great as both a reader and a writer. I'm curious as to where one of my readers has gone...but other than that, it's great!


message 4: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
I just thought a group could have hundreds of books by genres and give people reading options to go with the opportunities. I know people have liked the cross promotion they've seen through Amazon and would love to give people a push that might help as opposed to random advertising.


message 5: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) ... how would you organize something that big?


message 6: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) Sarah wrote: "Courtney is magical. She has wonder-mods to help her as well. =)"


That's what I'm afraid of...


message 7: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments As for organization - each genre would need a folder, obviously, for the books to be posted in. The problem I foresee with that is that people are lazy - the more clicks they have to make, the less likely they are to do something.

A group bookshelf would be helpful, of course, but again people have to click more. Then again, is that any more than surfing through the thread to find books ? I don't know.

I would use such a group. How would we post progress? A separate folder with threads for each person, perhaps? Or by comments on each book's entry? I'm kind of rambling because I got four hours sleep last night.

@Sarah I know! Every book I've picked up from the Challenge has been, at the least interesting and filled with potential, and at the most outstanding works of literary art!


message 8: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
Thanks Sarah.

Lily - basically I would just have the group description spell out the mission, post guidelines to participate, have genre folders for people to put books under.

If you post a book, you read three (or more if you like) and basically post "gonna read" in the book's topic then mention when the review is up.

I'll do periodic activity sweeps and poke people who aren't following through before deleting their existence from the group but I want to believe more people will honor the spirit of it than take advantage.

But yeah my sanity will be fine if I do activity sweeps, honor system and say "edit to fit guidelines". Otherwise it runs itself mostly.


message 9: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) Ohhh, I see now, as a part of the group description and purpose of the group. That might help with discouraging the less than sincere random joining. Got it now. Sigh of relief.


message 10: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
Also - not gonna beg or put people up to it - but if any alumni from the group challenge want to join, I would love you for starting things off and giving people options (hint - new members will be browsing your books).

And if anyone wants to be a mod, I'd welcome anyone who would vouch for the challenge working and just nudge people to follow guidelines and keep offering suggestions that might lead to greater things for authors participating :)

Again no pressure just letting people know I'm open to collaborating.


message 11: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) *looks for volunteers*


message 12: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
Lily - you iz legit amaze here.

I hope the disingenuous won't be the majority. So many people here were grateful about the opportunity I expect others will be the same.

What if there is a pledge sheet - like "I pledge to read these three books"?


message 13: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments I will, of course, join the group! I love the pay-it-forward challenge and concept.

I would also be glad to be a mod, except that I am super busy. How much time investment does being a mod take? I've never done it before.

Thank you again, Courtney, for doing this!


message 14: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) Time is a disadvantage, also money. Not everyone has both the time and the money to read and review right away. So for fairness, it might be an idea to consider this to be a bit more longer term.

And make Jason a mod. I'll whip him in shape personally.


message 15: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
Oh Lily...

Jason, hypocritically I would only see your duties be browsing to make sure books submitted fit the guidelines - like the topic is Title and Author - and post a request to edit if not. Low key unless people lose their minds and eat one another because we wouldn't have discussions aplenty as we so here.


message 16: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) And bring your own cape.


message 17: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments ...people eating each other...

Sign me up!


message 18: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments Capes? WE GET TO WEAR CAPES?!

Why hasn't anyone ever mentioned this before???

Current Jason Away!

/flyaway


message 19: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) lol


message 20: by Chad (new)

Chad Lorion (goodreadscomcmichaellorion) I think this is a good idea. I'm halfway through fulfilling my Pay-it-Forward obligations, but will get it done in the next couple weeks. I'd join this group.


message 21: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
Great C!

I'm definitely not trying to rope you in, just hoping to broaden your exposure.

I'm thinking of including a 3R aspect - read, review, recommend. The last one being if you gave a book 3+ stars recommend it to your GR friends. It might help generate interest :)


message 22: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) Interesting. I tend to avoid mass recommendations because it's basically spam. But every so often I'll recommend a book I've reviewed to specific people that I think would like it.


message 23: by Yolanda (new)

Yolanda Ramos (yramosseventhsentinel) I thinks its a great idea, would also join this group. Am working my way thro a couple 'other' reads, then will pick up some more from the challenge.


message 24: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
Even if they recommend it to a few GR buddies that's helpful. I'll let people be their own judge since - again - it's an honor system


message 25: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) Makes sense.


message 26: by Lily (new)

Lily Vagabond (lilyauthor) I would also like to see it promoted that being honest is most important. If you read a book, and you honestly feel it's a 2 star book, then that should be acceptable. No one should feel under obligation to give stellar reviews.


message 27: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments I agree with the honesty point. Otherwise the whole thing falls apart. If you join the Pay it Forward group you need to be willing to be (constructively) critical, because the rest of us will be, if necessary, to you.


message 28: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
I admittedly find it so weird that honest reviews need to be emphasized. Not getting into the whole debate about why people pad I just assumed people gave reviews they were comfortable leaving, however generous or disparaging they might be.

I'll stress honestly and constructive of course as well as nobody can complain about unfavorable reviews. Not the point of the group.


message 29: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments Well...if I remember correctly, no one in the Pay it Forward program is obligated to review. Rate, yes; review, no. Are we changing this?

Also, it's because we're communicating. It's easy (for some, I hear) to feel "watched" when you're in direct communication with the author (see many many other threads where that discussion has come up) so the readers need to feel that their honesty will be protected from reprisal by the moderators.


message 30: by Wren (new)

Wren Figueiro | 215 comments Think this is a great idea and that many authors would join. Also like the idea of genre folders. If enough people join then the pool of books to choose from should be varied enough that people can choose from books that truly interest them. Maybe mention that as more people join, more books will be available and that members can wait a little and see. A review is never fun to write if it's about a book in a genre the reader doesn't enjoy. I very much like the pay it forward part, since that way authors don't necessarily rate each other's books, but rather the ones they're interested in.


message 31: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments Agreed: It's an opportunity, for both author and reader, but nothing more. If you invest into it, you'll get something out of it (you'll get to read!) and you may even get more (book exposure). I like the "suggestion" to make recommendations about the books that one enjoys as well.


message 32: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
I think the review will be part of the challenge. It doesn't ask a whole lot and I'm sure everyone submitting is hoping people will. It also gives a sense of follow through so people can't say they are reading and really not give back.


message 33: by Wren (new)

Wren Figueiro | 215 comments Yeah, if you're going to make a group out of it, think the review should be part of it.


message 34: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments Cool beans :)


message 35: by Courtney (new)

Courtney Wells | 1629 comments Mod
I hope people still believe in the honor system...


message 36: by Chad (new)

Chad Lorion (goodreadscomcmichaellorion) As silly as it may sound in our cynical world, I still do.


message 37: by Jason (new)

Jason Crawford (jasonpatrickcrawford) | 565 comments Most do :)


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