Mortal Instruments & Infernal Devices Lovers! discussion
MI & ID teasers, spoilers, ect.
>
COHF " Withdrawal Symptoms " thread
Did anyone else notice that there was only one wedding, and that some of the snippets didn't actually happen?
Actually if you think about there was two, Clarys dream in the demon world was of a wedding
And I do love surviving the dark war
I think it made it that much harder because we got a glimpse of what he would look like just as her brother. Because it was something that was there, at the very last moment, but would never happen.
Hi Everyone!Boy, do I have A LOT going on inside of my head about COHF, I'd love to talk about what I've been thinking today. Before I continue, I will admit, I have NOT read the book, and, I don't know if I will. Honestly, it just sounds too emotionally draining to me. What I have come across has yanked right out my heart.
For right now, I'd love to talk about Sebastian/Jonathan. I could never have imagined that I would develop the feels for him as I have. I am stunned as to the kind of feels that I've been having. Actualy, more than anyone else. I have NEVER had these kinds of feels EVER. I must be not seeing something bc these feels are worse than ANY other book that I have read (or not read)!!
SPOILERS COMING!!
I am completely aware with what he has done. Jonathan was dealt a tough and unfair hand. A tough tough life. I feel SOO badly for him. He deserved so much more. He deserved love. He deserved companionship, a family etc.. He practically had no control over what he was dealt.. It broke my heart.
So, when Clary did what she did with the sword, (AND why did it have the heavenly fire in it??) and his eyes turned their true color of green, and Jonathan was able to reveal himself and repent, that was just SO heartbreaking. What a brave boy/man to repent. This seemed to be a slow and cruel doing, he said that he felt lighter, and was able to feel both physicaly and mentally. Why? He ddn't deserve it. Jace said they were two individual people. And over the Lake?? "Forever.." Are you kidding me? Rip my heart out why don't you! And you have been! All day! And the dream?? Get me another box of tissues will you! Yes, we got to see the real Jonathan, but, for such a short amount of time, what a tease. I am glad that he was able to turn good, he didn't have ANY demon blood in him. but..he deserved so much more. Yes, he did what he did, but, he still deserved more. I had hoped and wished that he would stay around longer, since he was good.
I just saw a drawing of Jonathan, and it was I believe one of the teasers, which stated basically, how can a boy be raised as a devil, be anything but a demon. Ever since reading this, I felt even more badly for him. He's not a demon, despite how he was raised.
For this reason, at least, Jonathan deserves a good TMI ending. What about making him a Silent Brother like Jem was, or something?? That'd help him, I believe.
As I completely acknowledge the things that he has done, I feel that he is still redeemable. Everyone on this earth is redeemable. It might be difficult to do so, but, he is. Forgive. I believe, I think, Clary had some sort of doubt regarding Sebastian's being. On his being good. Yes, Jonathan would feel certainly the guilt, the shame and everything that went along with this, but, he would heal over time. Now, with what happened, I think, through "death", everything is in limbo. Forgive and heal.
I do REALLY hope that Cassie will somehow...somehow..bring Jonathan back in future books..
That was actually a pretty fucking beautiful speech!
Me? And to communicate that I understand ur pain
We all understand your pain. Those who all detested Sebastian can go to Hell. Literally. And they can live with Magnus's father.
Hi Everyone,My name is Laura and I posted that HUGE posting above about Jonathan. And, let me say this, I am SO glad that this thread is here. Words cannot describe the massive feels that I have for Jonathan.
I get angry whenever I read about the negativity of others regarding Jonathan.
I just so very much need more of him that it's so hard to put into words..
Welcome to the hot Sebastian side
Yes, we all love Sebb here. This is the place where his memory lives.
Yes. Yes, you are. We bow to you, Queen of Edom.
Ok. Here's a thought. To me, Cassie just gave up on Jonathan. I believe that she could havedone so much with him. Since Clary had drawn a strength rune on him, why couldn't she just use her "power" on him again in order to save him? I hope that's not too much of a dumb question..Also, just read that Verlac references glass and also lake. Why would Clary believe he would want his ashes(sigh) spread there? Hmm..
AND..if he was resurrected before...by golly, do it again. P-o-t-e-n-t-i-a-l. Gosh, I painfully miss him..
That's what I thought at the time. Why couldn't she create a rune to help him?
I know how you feel. I don't actually know where to go from here.
I need a break from reading for a while to let it all sink in.
Then I have over 30 books to read.
Lol..I just almost fell off my chair. I read that someone had reported that Cassie had said that Sebastian had an important role in TDA. Well. Who knows.
so what r the odds of the gang appearing In TDA?
I read that somewhere as well. Sebb could appear as a ghost.
MissMorgenstern {"Ave atque vale perpetuum, frater. Hail and fairwell forever, my brother."} wrote: "That's what I thought at the time. Why couldn't she create a rune to help him?"Yep. That's what I mean. Tons of avenues to be taken. I think Cassie had mentioned one time that there is always a reason why she does what she does with her characters. While I am clueless as to the true reason for Jonathan's current demise, I guess we'll find out at some point. I don't think fans will ever be completely satisfied with questions pertainling to this series. I know I won't.
Oᴜʀ Dᴇɪɢɴᴇᴅ Nᴏᴛɪᴏɴ { Tʜᴇ Wᴏᴜɴᴅs ᴀʀᴇɴ'ᴛ ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ, ʙᴜᴛ ᴛʜᴇ Sᴄᴀʀs ᴀʀᴇ ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ } -- ᴄʟᴇʙᴀsᴛɪᴀɴ -- ᴀɴɪᴍᴇ -- ғᴀɴᴅᴏᴍ -- ᴄ. ᴀ. ғ. -- wrote: "He's in Hell."Not necessarily.
MissMorgenstern {"Ave atque vale perpetuum, frater. Hail and fairwell forever, my brother."} wrote: "I read that somewhere as well. Sebb could appear as a ghost."Ok, good. I'm not seeing things! :) I could see that happening. I hope so. Also curious which TMI characters slide over to TDA. I certainly love the Shadowhunter theme.
I remember Alec in the cavern "WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING? MY EYES!"
I love Alec! Seriously! I was so happy to see him happy in the end.
I thought one if them was going to die
I really loved the sex scene in the cave. It was so Wessa style! And then the "foil" bit kind of ruined it.
I'm officially on the other side. The Mortal Instruments are over. This may be my hell.
Well not really because TDA... The characters live on and such in that series, just have to wait till Fall 2015.
Haha.
Hah.
*eye twitching*
the wait for these books never stop. It just goes on hiatus when a new book comes out and then resumes
Well not really because TDA... The characters live on and such in that series, just have to wait till Fall 2015.
Haha.
Hah.
*eye twitching*
the wait for these books never stop. It just goes on hiatus when a new book comes out and then resumes
You know, there is one thing, actually there are many, but, one thing just occurred to me. Clary recited that beautiful latin phrase about Jonathan. Doesn't she know that she'll see him again?
She'll see him again? You mean when she dies?
Well, yes, and knowing me, I'm hoping also for before then. I'm the eternal optimist.
Clary isn't in Heaven, and, I still don't think Jonathan is in Hell either.
I am glad I came across this entry from Cassie about Sebastian. He wasn't a demon, as many have stated that he was. Poor thing, he was lonely.. And, to me, everyone in redeemable."He’s capable of complex thoughts and complex decisions. He gets jealous and angry when Clary implies Valentine cared about Jace. He gets upset when Clary pushes him away. He says to his father “I hoped she would be more like me.” Real demons don’t hope — well, not for anything besides TOTAL WORLD DESTRUCTION anyway (...) , with his reactions toward Clary and Valentine, which are not entirely destructive and demonic, that he is hoping for connection: that even Sebastian can be lonely. Whether being lonely is enough to redeem someone who has done such terrible things, well that’s another thing entirely."
I'm telling you, I have been crying for two days. I don't think I'd be crying if I didn't believe in it. I guess all I can do is know that I love Jonathan, and know who he is, and hope he'll be back.
Sometimes I'll think about the black-eyed boy in CoLS, the lost boy and the broken one, and know I'm on the brink of crying, because I did truly love him evil - evil, because he was ALIVE! And then I remember what he said on his last breath, to Clary "Maybe, in another world - maybe I could have been a better brother," and then he smiled, and died.
And it always holds back the tears. Because Clary said she didn't hate him, maybe.
Yes, let's be parabatai and kick some demon ass! Sebastian not included.
Damn. Sorry, no more hiding that word. There is no way in HELL I am going to read CoHF. Why WHY did Cassandra write this as such a heart-tearingly difficult story to read and understand??? Why? Yes. Jonathan found peace and love in the arms of his family. His mind was clear. He understood. He is learned about love and the way he would like and want to be with his family. He knew and knows. But, it was something that was overdue and over way too soon. After his hell of an upbringing, he, again, deserved more of this love, this family. Why did Cassie do it this way? Is she not telling fans something? I am such a mess.
Wow. ODN- That was quite a post there. First of all, I say respectfully, you do not know me. As a 40+ year old, what I choose to do and the reasons why I have chosen so is for my benefit only. I was on this thread because it was an active thread. If I see blatant discussions about a story, I will contribute as such. How dare you accuse me of being judgemental. I have simply been pouring my heart out as I try to make my way through one of my favorite series, a series that has a particular tough "ending" for my favorite character who I love, as many do. How dare you accuse me of ruinning it for others, when this thread has been written as such. How dare you put down my need for a simple discussion. How dare you call me irrational because I have simply wanted and needed to talk about something that is important to me. I hope you don't speak this way to other fans, because it was quite an attack. Anyone who knowingly posts something that is filled with such hate and accusations has issues. Thank you Miss Morgenstern for helping me, as I greatly appreciate everything you have shared on this thread. Take care.
Wow. You really do need to grow up if this is how you speak to an adult. Good luck with that.
Thank you for the apology. As you have just provided it, I have no problem accepting it when it has been read.Might I suggest being careful with how you word things to strangers, as most of it was done so as an attack. Asking simple questions would have been a better way to determine my reasonings for needing this discussion. I certainly would have answered to those kinds of questions.
As I also still see that you have issues with people, despite your apology, I wish you luck with that.
Well, that escalated quickly. I think it's fair to say that all of us on this thread are upset - no, heartbroken - that Sebastian died in CoHF. We all dearly loved him, because he was such an interesting character and we understood him and his motives behind his actions (an echoing longing to be loved) but all of this arguing is not going to bring him back.
As I see it, I'd rather him die the way he did and apologise for his wrongdoings and have his mother and sister hold him in their arms than have him die evil where everybody hated him, where no one would hold him in their arms and say their goodbyes. He isn't coming back - Clary spread his ashes across Lake Lyn. Unless, of course, he takes possession of another body and transfers his soul into that. But that would just be repeating history, and it'd have the exact same outcome in which we'd all be brokenhearted again.
I have accepted that he is gone. He was my favourite character also. I loved him dearly, and I never wanted him to die. But I have accepted it and taken it in my stride to do so.
The more joyful parts balanced out the pain of losing him, and there were many. Cassie turned Sebastian's death from something that should've been awful to something utterly beautiful. The story was no just about Sebastian, if was about Clary and Jace and Simon and Alec and Magnus and Jocelyn and Luke. Sometimes it does make me sad that everyone got what they wanted and Sebb couldn't ever be part of it, but he still lives in their memories, like Jem said, so really he never left.
How is everyone coping today? Still alive, I hope.
Yeah, I awoke this morning and I couldn't open my eyes. I thought I was a Silent Brother! And then I read the comments on Goodreads with one eye open like 0_- But I had to jump in. I've got your back, parabatai.
I still can't stop thinking about it. But I've accepted what has happened, and now I just need to arrange all the books I have on my to-read shelf so I can read them.
Have you decided what you're going to do now that it's over?
0_0 The Vampire Diaries is AMAZING! Damon is like a combination of Jack Sparrow and Jace, not looks-wise, because I can't even imagine what he'd look like, but personality-wise. It's one of my favourite TV series!
I think if he'd died with the demon blood still in him he would've gone to Hell, or stayed in Hell. But because he was cured right before I think he must have gone to Heaven.
I don't know why, but I find myself not grieving for Jonathan but grieving for Sebastian, the evil one. That's why I can't call him Jonathan. I keep looking back at how he was in CoLS and it tears me apart even thinking about it.
I agree with what you said about Sebastian. Though I do see them as the same person, but with green eyes. I have always believed that the 'evil' Sebastian had a moral part in him, by doing right by Clary, even if he mistaked his actions for wickedness by 'doing the right thing because he loved his sister.' He just didn't know.
And this part especially made me bawl my eyes out:
"Because I love you," Sebastian said. He looked ... uncomfortable. Tense and strained, as if he were reaching for something he couldn't quite touch. "I don't want to hurt you."
Oh my god. I was in tears!
You will love The Vampire Diaries.
Revenge is another good show. It's about revenge ...
The Originals is a spin-off to The Vampire Diaries.
Dracula.
Waterloo Road.
Nikita.
Teen Wolf.
True Blood.
The Secret Circle.
I just can't believe he's actually gone. If I re-read CoG or CoLS I'll just start crying thinking "I know how this ends. This is the life of a boy who is no longer with us, and I am reading his life. But I know how this ends."
That's what we've been saying all along, isn't it? That he doesn't understand what love is because he was raised without it.
Have you noticed that the other discussions have gone deadly quiet? I don't think they survived.
WE ARE THE ONLY REMAINING SURVIVORS OF THE SEXY WAR ...
Wait ... THE DARK WAR!