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German SS chief amassed a 13,000 volume library on the occult
Had warped belief mysticism was proof of Aryan racial superiority
Some books were part of the Norwegian order of Freemasons' library
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...
Wiki - Nazism and occultism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_...

A lot of this stuff comes from sensationalist books written after the war alleging occult influence on the Nazis.The piece on Himmlers book collection is interesting but The Ahnenerbe,the SS department that dealt with Aryan archaeology and culture and all round pseudoscience,regularly confiscated the libraries of Freemasons,occult and even Jewish groups so that would explain these volumes.
I know Hess believed in all kinds of pseudoscience and Himmler also wasn't adverse to the same,in fact Hitler derided them both for it,beyond that I think the claims of Nazi union with the occult are largely untrue.


The Esoteric Codex: Nazism and the Occult
Nazi Mysticism: Heinrich Himmler, Thule Society, Religious Aspects of Nazism, Nazism and Occultism, Ahnenerbe, Julleuchter, Vril
Revisiting the "Nazi Occult": Histories, Realities, Legacies

The Secret King: The Myth and Reality of Nazi Occultism

Invisible Eagle: The History of Nazi Occultism

The Nazis & the Occult

The Nazi Occult War: Hitler's Compact with the Forces of Evil

The Occult and the Third Reich: The Mystical Origins of Nazism and the Search for the Holy Grail

Nazi Secrets: An Occult Breach in the Fabric of History

The Twisted Cross: The Occultic Religion of Hitler and the New Age Nazism of the Third Reich

The Occult Understanding of Hitler and the Nazis

Books About Nazism, including: Mein Kampf, Inside The Third Reich, The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich, The Lightning And The Sun, Pilgrimage (book), The Occult Roots Of Nazism, Hitler's Terror Weapons, Hitlers Bombe, Berlin Diary, Hitler's Pope

Attack of the Enemy: The Occult Inspiration Behind Adolf Hitler and the Nazis

However, what about lesser known influences...
I believe one needs to study the religious faith empires of Biblical and pre-Biblical eras to understand 20th century history and bizarre political/racial movements like Nazism.
Beyond the known and obvious religious history behind WW2, I believe there is proof of a colossal but faith empire within the German Lutheran Empire - these were the "spiritual elites" of the SS - essentially a secret society, or a religion within a religion. The SS were a quasi grail spiritual community (albeit an evil, warped one).
I suspect the Nazis were attempting to regain what they believed in their distorted analysis of history and theology to be an ancient Nazarene faith empire. And note that although the word Nazi is assumed by most historians and political experts to simply relate to the National Socialist German Workers' Party and nothing else, there are some scholars who claim it is also a short form of Nazarene (a theory I also subscribe to). Additionally, others have claimed it is related to Old Testament words nazirite or nazarite, but that's a stretch I think.
Then there is the Aryan factor, which is said to have evolved from the Indo-Aryan bloodlines, but possibly also relates or derives from from the religion or early Christian sect known as Arianism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
I believe the senior members of the Nazi SS party were all
Knight(s) Templars of the ancient Nazarene faith. They were radical extremists with a disturbed Old World view but claiming to be modern Christians to disguise their ancient belief systems. Perhaps an analogy here would be modern terrorists from the Middle East who claim to be Muslims and hide behind that religion to carry out their anti-Islamic anti-Christian anti-Semitic anti-Life evil agenda. The senior inner circle of the Nazi SS party did indeed have quite a bit of ancient (occult) knowledge, but were also completely heretical and radical to the extreme.
Somehow, the Nazarene theological and political faith was the perfect secret society for the radical German movement of the 1920s-1930s.
The "faith" and beliefs of the Nazis of WW2 of course have absolutely nothing in common with the true spiritual belief systems of the Nazarenes. Nazism in all its forms, including the secret occult societies buried within it, was a twisting or corruption of ancient beliefs and a heretical theology. And interestingly, 18th Century German Adam Weishaupt (founder of the Illuminati political movement in the 1770s) was also inspired, but incorrectly interpreted, the ancient Nazarene faith.
Another example to prove the Nazis and Nazarenes had nothing in common politically although having some overlapping theologies, is in the symbolism. The symbol of the Nazis was a broken cross of Sanskrit and oriental design (the Swastika). The Nazarenes did not have a cross at all.
The Nazarenes were Essenes, Hebrews, Judaics, Yehidah, Melchizedeks, Sadduceans, Nazarenes, Arians, and Christines.
The Nazarenes were NOT Nazis.
great info James....
i don't think it was "arianism" as Nazis used swastik symbol...
many theories even suggest that Nazis believed that Aryans were actually aliens
i don't think it was "arianism" as Nazis used swastik symbol...
many theories even suggest that Nazis believed that Aryans were actually aliens

Is that right? Perhaps it is - but the symbol of the cross featured in religions and sects prior to Christianity and the equilateral cross was used in early Christianity before it was replaced with the one now used to represent the crucifixion, so I presumed the Nazarenes did use the cross symbol, but I could well be wrong.

i don't think it was "arianism" as Nazis used swastik symbol...
many theories even suggest that Nazis believed that Aryans were actually aliens"
The Nazis were obviously fixated on Aryanism but also incorporated within their hijacked ancient Nazarene beliefs from the totally different Arianism religious sect as well (just to confuse us even further!).
The true foundations of Nazism is a tangled web or a deep, dark rabbit hole...
Harry wrote: "James wrote: "The Nazarenes did not have a cross at all."
Is that right? Perhaps it is - but the symbol of the cross featured in religions and sects prior to Christianity and the equilateral cross..."
That's a good point Harry.....swastik is also basically an equilateral cross only.....so if Nazarenes had an equilateral cross symbol, that explains choice of swastik by Nazis...
Is that right? Perhaps it is - but the symbol of the cross featured in religions and sects prior to Christianity and the equilateral cross..."
That's a good point Harry.....swastik is also basically an equilateral cross only.....so if Nazarenes had an equilateral cross symbol, that explains choice of swastik by Nazis...
James wrote: "Krishna wrote: "great info James....
i don't think it was "arianism" as Nazis used swastik symbol...
many theories even suggest that Nazis believed that Aryans were actually aliens"
The Nazis were..."
So the 'hijacked' Nazarene belief was mixture of arianism and aryanism?
i don't think it was "arianism" as Nazis used swastik symbol...
many theories even suggest that Nazis believed that Aryans were actually aliens"
The Nazis were..."
So the 'hijacked' Nazarene belief was mixture of arianism and aryanism?

Is that right? Perhaps it is - but the symbol of the cross featured in religions and sects prior to Christianity and the equilateral cross was used in early Christianity before it was replaced with the one now used to represent the crucifixion, so I presumed the Nazarenes did use the cross symbol, but I could well be wrong. ..."
You're dead right that the equilateral cross was indeed used in early Christianity. However, to my knowledge the original Nazarenes I am referring to (like the Essenes, Hebrews, Judaics, Melchizedeks, Sadduceans, etc) did not use that symbol or any cross, at first at least. The original Nazarenes of the ancient faith had beliefs which were closer to Judaism than what Christianity eventually became and Judaism never used a cross.
Regardless, the key point is the Nazis used the ancient (oriental) Swastika as their symbol, not a cross, revealing they were studying and hijacking a lot from the ancient world.
This is what Dan Brown seems to be getting at in his Robert Langdon novel Angels & Demons, when he writes, “It means that when organized philosophies like the Illuminati go out of existence, their symbols remain...available for adoption by other groups. It’s called transference. It’s very common in symbology. The Nazis took the swastika from the Hindus, the Christians adopted the cruciform from the Egyptians”.
here's an interesting article about Nazi's search for Atlantis...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/4...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/4...

Is that right? Perhaps it is - but the symbol of the cross featured in religions and sects prior to Christianity and the equ..."
Yeah, sorry to go off on a tangent about the cross. I'll have to research further about the Nazarenes themselves and which (if any) symbols they used.
I think I'm right in saying that the earliest religious crosses came from the Mithras cult - where hot cross buns were invented!

Is that right? Perhaps it is - but the symbol of the cross featured in religions and sects prior to Christianity and the equ..."
The swastika comes from far more cultures than the Hindus. In fact, you can find it in ancient societies all over the world. It was widely used by Native Americans. In fact, up until WWII the shoulder patch for the 45th Infantry Division--a National Guard division with a large number of Native American soldiers--was a yellow swastika on a red diamond. The swastika was replaced with a yellow thunderbird, another Native American symbol.

Is that right? Perhaps it is - but the symbol of the cross featured in religions and sects prior to Christiani..."
Martin, just out of interest, do you happen to know if the Nazi swastika was the only time the symbol was reversed, or had it already been used in clockwise and anticlockwise positions before?

Is that right? Perhaps it is - but the symbol of the cross featured in religions and sects prio..."
Harry, it appears both ways throughout history.
History of swastika: http://www.collectorsguide.com/fa/fa0...
45th ID original shoulder patch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45th_In...

Is that right? Perhaps it is - but the symbol of the cross featured in religions ..."
Cheers Martin.



The NDSAP never referred to themselves as Nazi but as National Socialist.

The British Occult Secret Service, The Untold Story http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articl...
Excerpt:
Rudolf Hess & the British Occult Connection
During World War II British Intelligence invited many occultists into its ranks because it needed their specialist knowledge and skills. The assistant director of Naval Intelligence during the war was Lt. Commander Ian Fleming RN, best known later as a thriller writer and the creator of the famous fictional spy James Bond 007. Fleming was also interested in astrology and numerology and he was a friend of the notorious magician Aleister Crowley, who had worked for MI6 (the Secret Intelligence Service) during World War I and in the 1920s and 1930s spying on Germans with occult interests (see ‘The Magus Was A Spy’ by Dr Richard Spence in New Dawn No. 105, November-December 2007).
Ian Fleming conceived an audacious plan to lure a high-ranking member of the German government into defecting to Britain so as to provide a morale-boosting propaganda coup. This idea had been inspired by a novel written by Fleming’s brother, Peter, called Flying Visit (Jonathan Cape 1940). Peter Fleming was a journalist and also worked for both MI5 (the Security Service) and the propaganda section of the clandestine Special Operations Executive (SOE). The novel imagined that Hitler’s plane crash-landed in England and he was captured. The Reichminister and deputy fuehrer himself, Rudolf Hess, was chosen as a suitable candidate for the actual plot. This was because he was a supporter of peace with Britain and was also under the influence of astrologers and occultists. It was believed this could be used against him.
Commander Fleming recreated The Link, a defunct Anglo-German friendship society of the 1930s that had a wealthy membership of Nazi sympathisers drawn from the British Establishment.
Ironically, or perhaps coincidentally, The Link had been founded by Admiral Sir Barry Domville, an ex-director of the Naval Intelligence Department (NID), after he retired in 1930. Domville was arrested and interned in May 1940 because MI5 believed he was plotting a fascist coup d’etat supported by aristocratic peacemongers. The admiral was a friend of Major-General J.F.C. ‘Boney’ Fuller CBE, a famous military analyst who designed the tactics for the first tank battle in World War I. Fuller also invented the concept of blitzkrieg used so successfully in World War II by the German Panzers.
Fuller was an open admirer of Hitler (he attended the fuehrer’s 50th birthday party in 1939), a leading member of Sir Oswald Moseley’s British Union of Fascists (BUF), a friend of Ian Fleming and a leading disciple of Aleister Crowley. In the 1930s Fuller formed the extreme-right wing Nordic League (aka the White Knights of Britain), allegedly established by Nazi agents. However in the 1950s he was a member of a MI6 supported group of Russian émigrés engaged in anti-communist propaganda. It has been suggested that Fuller was not interned during the war with other leading fascists such as Mosley and Domville because he was a MI6 double-agent.
Ian Fleming’s idea was to persuade the German High Command in Berlin, and especially Rudolf Hess, that when war broke out The Link had not disbanded but had gone underground. It had allegedly regrouped and recruited even more prominent pro-Nazi members in the British Establishment including aristocrats and royalty. These were represented by the NID as influential people with the political muscle to overthrow prime minister Winston Churchill’s national wartime government, call a ceasefire and agree to a peace treaty with Germany. Under its terms Britain would keep control of its Empire and Germany would have free reign in occupied Europe. The Nazis also hoped that British troops would be sent to fight alongside the German Wehrmacht and the SS against the Soviet Union in a joint anti-communist crusade.
Hitler did not want to invade and occupy Britain. Instead he would have preferred to negotiate a treaty with a sympathetic new government in London. It has been suggested that the only reason the fuehrer abandoned Operation Sea Lion – the proposed invasion of Southern England – and instead invaded the Soviet Union was to force Churchill to accept peace terms. If the Red Army had been defeated Britain would truly have been standing alone, as Hitler did not believe the Americans had the political will to enter the war. Unfortunately he underestimated the ability and resolve of the Soviets to defend their motherland and also the clandestine support that the US was already offering Great Britain.
The NID plot to ensnare Rudolf Hess used bogus astrological predictions combined with political intelligence. Hess was persuaded that a Scottish aristocrat, the Duke of Hamilton, was willing to negotiate peace terms on behalf of the influential people at the top of British society who wanted to end the war. The duke had met Hess at the Berlin Olympics in 1936 and the deputy fuehrer for some reason thought he was a member of the surviving Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Ian Fleming commissioned an astrologer to produce a faked astrological forecast indicating that 10 May 1941 would be a propitious date for Rudolf Hess to fly to Scotland and meet secretly with the Duke of Hamilton and other members of the so-called British ‘peace party’. Hess’ occult advisors had also told him there would be an unusual planetary conjunction on 10 May. On that day six planets would be aligned in the zodiac sign of Taurus and conjoined to the full moon. At the same time Hitler’s chart showed ‘malefic’ astrological aspects. Hess saw himself in the role of a messianic hero saving Germany from possible future defeat by making peace with the British. All the (false) reports reaching the deputy fuehrer about the political situation in England and the astrological aspects convinced him that his mission would be a success.
Rudolf Hess flew to Scotland on 10 May 1941 in the firm belief that on landing he would be met by the Duke of Hamilton and the Duke of Kent and whisked off to London for a private audience with King George VI. He had been convinced by the misinformation fed to him by British Intelligence that these three men represented a genuine peace movement capable of removing the warmonger Churchill and agreeing to German terms. Hess had also previously met the Duke of Windsor when he had visited Berlin before the war. As a result Hess was persuaded that some members of the German-descended royal family were sympathetic to Nazism. Certainly the Duke of Saxo-Coburg, formerly Prince Charles Edward, a grandson of Queen Victoria and a close friend of the Duke of Windsor, had willingly embraced Nazism. In fact Hitler had appointed him as the head of the German branch of the Red Cross that was responsible for exterminating the mentally sick and physically disabled.
Unfortunately instead of meeting pro-Nazi aristocrats and royals when he landed, Hess was captured by a local farmer and a Home Guard unit. They handed him over to the police and he was transferred to London to be interrogated by MI5. Unfortunately the British government completely mishandled the capture of Hess. It has been suggested that Churchill believed the subterfuge by the NID and SIS suggesting leading members of the British Establishment might be pro-German may have been based on fact. For that reason the government did not capitalise on Hess’ ‘peace mission’. The German High Command had also disowned him and said that his flight had been unauthorised. They also suggested that Hess might be insane so his value for propaganda purposes was undermined and diminished.
Rudolf Hess’ apparent defection caused widespread panic in Berlin concerning the influence of occultism on the Nazi Party. The Gestapo immediately launched Operation Aktion Hess. On the direct orders of Hitler, they rounded up hundreds of occultists, psychics and astrologers, including Hess’s leading occult advisor Ernst Schulte-Strathaus. In June 1941 a decree was issued banning all public performances of clairvoyance, astrology, fortune-telling or telepathy. Anybody associated with Hess and his esoteric interests was thrown into concentration camps and occult secret societies were closed down. Because of staff shortages in the Gestapo, officers from the Naval Intelligence Service were drafted in to interrogate some of the arrested psychics. It has been claimed that they recruited some of them for secret operations using dowsing on maps with pendulums to hunt down British submarines.
It has also been claimed that Ian Fleming and the NID was involved in a plot to silence the Spiritualist medium Helen Duncan, the penultimate person to be charged under the old Witchcraft Act of 1736. She was arrested in 1944 after holding a séance during which allegedly the spirit of a dead sailor from the sinking of the HMS Bolham physically manifested. As the news of the loss had not been publicly released, and the Admiralty was keeping it secret for morale purposes, Duncan became a target for the security services. She and other psychics were regarded as a serious threat to national security and they became the object of a MI5/NID dirty tricks operation to silence leaks. This suggests that the Intelligence Services actually believed these mediums had genuine powers. Duncan’s arrest and subsequent trial, which in fact was condemned by Winston Churchill as a waste of public funds, was allegedly meant to deter other mediums. The War Office was paranoid that military secrets about the forthcoming D-Day landings in Normandy would be revealed at séances and become public knowledge or passed to the Germans.

Secret Government ESP Experiments:
In the first half of Monday's show, Annie Jacobsen, a journalist who writes about war, weapons, US national security and government secrecy, shared her research on how the US government worked with psychics and scientists with top-secret clearances. She saw origins for this coming from WWII, and occult interests of the Nazis, and the Soviets. By the 1960s, the Soviets began to merge technology with ideas considered to be supernatural, and the CIA become more competitive in these arenas, she cited. With the CIA announcing they had dropped their Remote Viewing program in the 1990s, most assumed that US psychic research had ceased in the government and military, but she found that was not the case with covert programs re-emerging in the 21st century.
Read the full recap here or listen to the radio episode in full: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/20...
P.S. This relates to the excellent US journalist and researcher Annie Jacobsen and her new book Phenomena: The Secret History of the U.S. Government's Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis


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Did you know that Hitler feared a dormant demonic force residing inside the moon which he believed somehow created and controlled human destiny? In Walpurgis Night: Volume One, Thomas Sheridan known for his work on psychopathology, mass hysteria and social engineering, for the first time tackles a historical subject using these concepts as a framework in which to re-examine the rise of the Nazi cult and its legacy. Sheridan's research goes beyond the occult development of the Nazis by delving into the repressed Teutonic Haxan psyche. Examining everything from the movies of the era, to the political factions of 1919 who were invoking their own demons of death and destruction. The book takes into account every aspect of the Nazi occult from Fascination (eye magic), to word spells, to the sex magic rituals of the Third Reich. You will never see history in the same way ever again, and you'll be left wondering if indeed their Black-Haxan magic is still at work today.


The definitive history of the supernatural in Nazi Germany, exploring the occult ideas, esoteric sciences, and pagan religions touted by the Third Reich in the service of power.


The Nazi war effort relied to an astonishing degree on dowsing, astrology and mysticism, as Eric Kurlander reveals

The Nazi war effort relied to an astonishing deg..."
I do not believe so. Hitler's obsessions with himself and his inability to properly plan led to the loss. However, there is no doubt that Himmler was obsessed with the occult, but I don't think Himmler actually contributed to the war effort.

Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology
About The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology
Over half a century after the defeat of the Third Reich the complexities of Nazi ideology are still being unravelled. This text is a serious attempt to identify these ideological origins. It demonstrates the way in which Nazism was influenced by powerful occult and millenarian sects that thrived in Germany and Austria at the turn of the century. Their ideas and symbols filtered through to nationalist-racist groups associated with the infant Nazi party and their fantasies were played out with terrifying consequences in the Third Reich: Auschwitz, Sobibor and Treblinka are the hellish museums of the Nazi apocalypse. This bizarre and fascinating story contains lessons we cannot afford to ignore.
Table of contents
The background - the Pan-German vision, the modern German occult revival 1880-1910; the ariosophists of Vienna - Guido von List, Wotanism and Germanic theosophy, the armanenschaft, the secret heritage, the German millennium, Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels and theozoology, the order of the new templars; ariosophy in Germany - the Germanenorden, Rudolf von Sebottendorff and the Thule society, the holy Runes and the Edda society, Herbert Reichstein and ariosophy, Karl Maria Wiligut - the private magus of Heinrich Himmler, ariosophy and Adolf Hitler. Appendices: genealogy of Lanz von Liebenfels; genealogy of the Sebottendorff family; the history of ariosophy, new templar verse; the modern mythology of Nazi occultism.


German occult society founded in Munich in 1918 by Adam Glauer (1875-1945) who styled himself Rudolf, Freiherr von Sebottendorf. This was an anti-Semitic society that had links with Adolf Hitler through the German Workers' Party (later National Socialist German Workers Party). The activities of the Thule Group were as much political as occult, and their sphere of influence included judges, police chiefs, professors, and industrialists.
Dietrich Eckart, a central figure in the Thule Group, also played a prominent part in the committee of the German Workers' Party and became one of the seven founder members of the Nazi Party. When he died in December 1923, he is reported to have said: "Follow Hitler! He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the 'Secret Doctrine,' opened his centers in vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers. Do not mourn for me: I shall have influenced history more than any other German."

Why were the Nazis scouring the globe for ancient artifacts?
Hitler's war machine was always one step ahead of England and France in the opening years of World War II. Germany occupied Norway in 1940, just two days before the British planned to.
After being totally outwitted in the conquest of France, the British High Command began hearing rumors that these successes were due to more than precise military planning. The Wehrmacht was using the dark forces of the occult.
The suspicion strengthened when a German refugee writer and amateur astrologer - Ludwig von Wohl - came to the British with a fantastic story: The Third Reich was using one of Europe’s best astrologers to influence the planning and decisions of Hess, Himmler, Goebbels, and even Hitler himself.
Soon after, the MI-5 gave von Wohl the rank of Captain and assigned him to find out what kind of astrological advice Hitler was receiving.
Hitler’s Astrologer is a riveting historical drama based on the true story of astrology and occult in Nazi Germany during World War II.

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Walpurgis Night: Volume One 1919 - 1933 (other topics)
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