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Rezkin-- Is he a Mage? Or just not all human???
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I think he is a mage. I am thinking he has a form of destructive magic. As they are able to camouflage themselves, and Rez can do that. Also because he is able to go through peoples wards. I am only going off the magic that we have been told about so far. There could be even more types of magic we haven't been told about.
I was thinking that maybe Rez is King Borden's son. I remember a scene in the book where the queen couldn't have anymore children after the last one didn't survive? I could be wrong about that. But if I am right I think maybe the child didn't die, that King Borden planned it all, and had it was Rez who was born and sent away.
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I need a good timeline! I am terrible at figuring out how old everyone would be at the time of Rez's birth...!
There's also the possibility of Rez being the son of the king's brother... Or an illegitimate child of either of them...
But yeah, if the timing works out, Rez could be the King's son by his wife...
Another question is... the strikers and others have thought that Rez's upbringing was harsh and cruel... Would the king do that to his son? And why?
Or maybe the king didn't know how bad it was? Maybe other forces were at work making Rez into a soulless assassin?
Well if you go by the story Rez, and Kai discussed on the boat about another king naming his heir, and the person he named was killed by his brother or cousin. Then if you take in to account the conversation that they had that King Borden was a smart man and knew the types of people his sons would grow to be, and that he was the type of man to plan for that to happen. It makes sense that he did things that way.But in saying that, we don't really know what the king really had planned for him. Was he to be the next king, or his sons assassin. This is what has been driving me crazy.
Rez was given the wrong rules for 1 and 2. If you go by what rules he should have received 1. protect, and honour your king 2. kill without conscience. that makes me think he was supposed to be the kings lap dog.
I wonder if his training, and purpose changed after king Borden died?
April wrote: "There seem to be plenty of hints that Rez is doing things that a mundane/non-mage shouldn't be able to do...So is it just more hidden spells that were cast on him?
(And by the way--do you think ..."
What is Rez is a spell himself? Or maybe a clone. I picked up that alot of what this author does is take modern day technology. Ex understanding of bacteria/virus and putting a magical twist to it. I wouldn't be surprised if cloneing was possible here.
I think he's a nage. He does too many things that a mundane shouldnt b able to do. As a direct relation of t royal family he should have some type of talent. Also when he told Wesson he was a mage his power was visible then. I think there is another spell on him that conceals his power
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Basim Mathis -- If there's one powerful concealed spell cast on Rezkin, why not more? It does seem to point towards Rezkin being purposely TOLD he was not a mage, all the while he was being trained to exert his will to counteract magic... so I really do suspect something is definitely going on... particularly with Wesson saying over and again that magic doesn't work the way Rezkin was told.
Originally I was not on board the Rez is a Demon band-wagon, but the more thought I have given to the concept, the more I believe that is the road KK is leading us down.Consider Rez's sword during the tournament. It wasn't "enchanted" but it certainly had some properties that made it appear magical (like the pulsing green lights, the absorption of a blow). What if Rez is like the sword.
What if all these oddities that we have referenced (super human abilities, focus shields, healing potency, battle energy, etc) are simply properties of having some supernatural blood? It doesn't necessarily have to be a demon, but whatever blood mixes with the Corollas (sp?) has properties that can explain these feats (much like the green metal in Rez's sword).
I have been racking my brain on the prologue of the first book pondering why anyone would subject their scion to such treatment as Rez had to endure. Bordran has been painted as a noble and worthy king. Sending an infant child to that fort seems too cruel for such a man. Unless that child had some attributes that he knew would let him succeed.
Rick wrote: "Originally I was not on board the Rez is a Demon band-wagon, but the more thought I have given to the concept, the more I believe that is the road KK is leading us down.Consider Rez's sword durin..."
Had not considered the magical clone idea or other worldy blood mixed with coroleus I like it and the green sword analogy is very very good
I think he is a mage but was never trained in it. He is so powerful that he has picked up things on his own. When he went thru the fireball at the end of book 2 from the battle mage, that confirmed it for me... especially since Wesson was and has been so confused as to how Rez 'does things'....realizing that Wesson could be the most powerful battle mage.
It definitely seems like his mage training was limited and the masters only taught him things that modern mages think, "impossible." It certainly seems to leave out more traditional mage teachings.
I believe he has the talent but it has been hidden from him and others. He believes that he doesn't have the talent because he was conditioned to believe it. From a training point of view it would make sense as if he had known about the power he would rely more on it. This way he would rely only his Will as a defence to Mage magic, as nothing really comes close to hurting him. Also we discovered that he is closely related to the Royal blood line, which all were Mages, its pretty clear with all the revelations from Wesson that Rez shouldn't be able to do the things he does without the talent.Perhaps the spell that makes Rez hidden also hides his talent?
There is an anime called Irregular at Magic High. in said anime, the main character is by far the most powerful magic user in the world, but as he is only capable of two types of magic, and having zero ability with general magic, he is ranked extremely low in the magical community. I think that Rezkin is in a similar case. He is not capable of normal magic, but has a unique blend of vemara (however you spell it) that allows him to do things no one else can, and is undetectable by normal mage means.
Rezkin is a Mage.All direct descendants of the original King Corolius have been mages.
Rezkin had Wessen perform the mage test between him and Tehren confirming them closely related.
The reason this has not been picked up was alluded to above.
Rezkin has a spell over him which can influence his perception of others. As he believes he is not a mage he influences others to believe the same and not detect his powers.
When Wessen was detecting Rezkins influence he had him believe he was a Mage and during that time Wessen could sense Rezkins Vermara. Wessen said it should be impossible to mimic that sense which indicates that it is there only hidden when he returns to believing he is a mundane.
I am still not sure if this was an external spell cast over him or it is some aspect of his mage powers that he was conditioned to use a certain way without knowing.
It would be interesting to see what a talent reader could determine about Rezkin's ratio. I was also thinking since there are a lot of similarities between Rezkin and the stories about the Rez a few hundred years ago that they could have the same magic.
David wrote: "Rezkin is a Mage.All direct descendants of the original King Corolius have been mages.
Rezkin had Wessen perform the mage test between him and Tehren confirming them closely related.
The reason ..."
It wouldn't surprise me if we learn that Rez is a mage. It is certainly the most obvious option. I can argue that the spell on him is so effective because Rez has been led to believe he is a Mundane and that 'confidence' further powers the spell on him so that his ability is undetectable.
I also think it could be argued that Rez is an atypical mage. That is the strands and ratios discussed (aquian, earth, pyrus, etc) are not talents he has. Rather Rez has a unique talent / ratio.
Nothing would surprise me at this point.
Rick wrote: "David wrote: "Rezkin is a Mage.All direct descendants of the original King Corolius have been mages.
Rezkin had Wessen perform the mage test between him and Tehren confirming them closely related..."
I think that Rez as an atypical mage because of his atypical training with the added factor of the royal bloodline is more likely than his ratio of powers. How could either king Bordran, when he sent the infant Rez to be trained or the masters, when beginning that training could have known the ratios before his power manifests itself? They only knew that he would have power due to his bloodline.
It seems unlikely that previous generation's of The Rez would all have the same unique and rare ratio to be able to train and function as the storied shadow knight with similar abilities to our Rez. Would previous trainees been rejected after a few years training when their mage powers are revealed but not at the right ratio? I think that would leave too much to chance and too much effort wasted when only training 1 potential shadow knight at a time.
I mean did the masters say "oh well, that small man did not work lets get another baby and try again..?" What if the next baby did not have the right ratio or any power at all, do they try again and again? The only way to guarantee a baby would have any kind of trainable power would be if it was of the royal line.
Another factor could be that Rez's power is not unique to him but is unique to the royal bloodline, some ancient magical spell or compact or spiritual/supernatural inheritance in the bloodline back from king Coroleus' time and can be trained/enhanced/harnessed by the masters into the powers possessed by The Rez over the generations.
I really like the idea that the only person apart from the king and Rez himself that general Marcum is scared of is the old kings assassin and is the previous generation's shadow knight still loyal to his oaths to the king and the original rules 1 and 2. Could be a an explosive meeting.
Will Wesson break Rez's "cover" as a mundane if he can convince Rez that he is a mage? Would Rez still be able to convince others and hide his mage power the same way he convinced Wesson he's an ambassador or a goat herd?
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I'm not sure Rez is demonic. He could just be magically powered and so well trained that it seems he's even more super-natural than he is. But... I can see if there are twists and turns to be revealed--something like that could be in the works! --Or not! At this point, it's all a big mystery! Which is interesting, because we do know quite a bit about Rez, as the main, point of view character!
As I stated before I have come to believe that the reason Rez was chosen to receive the training he undergoes because he was deemed special / unique. Whether that is because of his "demon"Blood or a special / unique ratio of magic or some prophecy, I think it was something Bordran was able determine at his birth.
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Rez is human. He just had so much training. I also don't like the idea of him being a mage. If you spend every day for your whole life. With strict teachers and no room for mistakes. You would be just as skilled.
I personally hope he's a Mage, i think he has access to magic just a different sort or different application of it.
Ruby wrote: "Rez is human. He just had so much training. I also don't like the idea of him being a mage. If you spend every day for your whole life. With strict teachers and no room for mistakes. You would be j..."What you are suggesting is that despite his limitations, it Forrest Gump was trained at birth he could have become the next Einstein. There is something special about Rez...his training just augmented what was already there. Rez definitely has more tools in his chest than most.
Hi there Cecile,I'm pretty sure he isn't a clone as the fact that he looks like Bordran it seems probably means that he is his son. And because he is the son of the king, he maintains the Mage blood line.
The fact that no one can feel any will coming from him is because of the mis-direction spell. Since birth, he has believed that he is not a mage, with no mage power and because he believes it, the spell makes everyone else believe it and hence they don't sense it. His powers become hidden like the rest of him.
As to your first point about the prologue and the master referred to him as an it, I'm pretty sure he was just being a dick. He only considered Rezkin to be a weapon and to be trained as such.
Personally, I believe that Rezkin is a mage. When he broke into the Black Hall, his explanation for how he defeated the trap on the master assassins door made no sense. I believe what he really did was use his own vimira to cast a spell through will power and intent.The second reason I believe that Rezkin is a mage is that when he told Welson he was a mage, Wesson believed it without hesitation, and resisted when Rezkin told him he was not a mage.
Third, he is of the line of Bordran, and all the direct decedents of the kings lines are mages.
Now, what has me confused, is the consistent belief that Rezkin is a demon, and the talk of freeing the darkness. My pet theory is that something was done to Rezkin as an infant that altered his magic.
Cecile wrote: "There are a few hint to supporthe the idea of Reeking being a clone:1, In the prologue of the first book the caracter that welcome the rider and the baby (who we can assume is Rezkin) refers to th..."
It could be argued that his "will" is his vimara that he is trained to think of it and he certainly focuses his will, creates a focus shield, senses wards and constructs a minor ward in the black tower.
I cannot think of an occasion where any mage in the books used a spoken spell from wesson silently constructing sound wards to reaylin healing a donkey or the healers during the tournament or the duke throwing blue fireballs at rez so it seems that spoken spells are not part of this worlds magic system (or at least in Ashai maybe other cultures have different methods and different mages). And of course rez could just look like his father or uncle.
I am not saying he could not be a clone of king bordren grown from a magically impregnated woman or some such (unlikely I think if bordren had a clone made of himself why would he need to get it stolen by the striker and taken to the fort? Why not just have it cloned at the fort) but i think he is too human to be pure magic. He eats, sleeps, breaths, grows, gets older, gets tired, gets injured breaks bones and bleeds to be not human (and as others have theorised tainted with some other force demonic, magical source, power or what ever.) We just don't know but soon some of these questions maybe answered when the next book arrives. Personally I am very excited find out!
Rick wrote: "Ruby wrote: "Rez is human. He just had so much training. I also don't like the idea of him being a mage. If you spend every day for your whole life. With strict teachers and no room for mistakes. Y..."Thanks for your opinion, but I think it would ruin some of the effect, if Rez was a mage. And besides he was tested and I doubt his masters would lie about him having no talent. Or he could have a very little bit of talent, that the masters used to their advantage while training him.
Rez definitely has some kind of magic. Maybe an ancient kind of magic. Pushing through wards, healing the axewilding mountain guy, untouched by magic and when the ninja threatens tam everything when cold and frosty. I’d like if he had some sort of magic it’d make him even more of s bad ass. He reminds me of Brent weeks’ Night Angel
So is it just more hidden spells that were cast on him?
(And by the way--do you think there is a hidden spell that is causing women to go wacky over him? I do!)
Or do you think he's got tons of magic (and what kind, do you think?), and there's a spell on Rez that hides THAT? (and he's been told he's not a mage, so his will is reinforcing the belief and the hidden spell?)
OR... as has been suggested also by some characters... Is Rezkin just not all human? (We know he shares blood with the duke's son --sorry, I was last listening to the audio, so all the spellings have totally been forgotten!)... but that doesn't mean he still couldn't be a demon or demi-god... that could run in the Royal blood, for one thing, or it could be in the blood of whomever his OTHER parent is!
I'm thinking human and mage (because kings have always been mages and Rezkin was meant to either be a king or serve the king as an assassin... I still need to figure out that part, though! -- but mysteries are nice!)
What do you think?