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message 151: by Georgia (new)

Georgia (georgiahcrisp) Ramya wrote: "I KNOW!!!!!

How do you think Amy (Sophie's little sister) will react to Sophie's new family/friends.

Do you think Amy will like one of the boys?

Just asking because the thought has crossed my mi..."

Omg imagine if Amy has a crush on Fitz and sophie's just like
"He's mine"


message 152: by malayna (new)

malayna (malaynachang) | 205 comments LOL I can totally imagine that :)


message 153: by Georgia (new)

Georgia (georgiahcrisp) Wait I'm REALLY confused- are the lost cities on earth or on another planet??


message 154: by malayna (new)

malayna (malaynachang) | 205 comments Now that I think about it, I don't actually know...I think it is on earth! Why don't we ask Shannon Messenger?


message 155: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
Georgia wrote: "Ramya wrote: "I KNOW!!!!!

How do you think Amy (Sophie's little sister) will react to Sophie's new family/friends.

Do you think Amy will like one of the boys?

Just asking because the thought has..."


That would be awesome!!!!!!!


message 156: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
The Lost Cities ARE on Earth-they are just hidden from humans.

(We don't know exactly where they are, and Mrs. Messenger said that making a map or something like that would be sort of like betraying the elves, so she's not going to do that)


message 157: by jpnmusings (new)

jpnmusings Yeah that's what I thought too....


message 158: by sasha (new)

sasha (lovelayla) | 39 comments Yup Alden and Della are about 100years apart!!!

AND DO U GUYS REMEMBER THE SLEEPOVER SCENE WHEN EVERYONE WAS SLEEPING AND THEY WERE SPEAKING TELEPATHICALLY AND SOPHIE THOUGHT HIS MIND WENT QUIET AND SHE WAS NEARLY SLEEPING BY THE TIME HE ADDED "i'll always be here if you need me"
Like isnt that the sweetest????!!!!


message 159: by malayna (new)

malayna (malaynachang) | 205 comments Yeah I totally remember that! I love everything Sophitz! Do you guys remember that scene where Keefe is talking about the love square thing? Does that mean that Fitz has been hinting at it to his best friend before Keefe joined the Neverseen?


message 160: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
Um... I'm pretty sure FITZ didn't tell Keefe; Keefe already knew. I mean, Keefe is an Empath, right?


message 161: by *Amelia* (new)

*Amelia* (StormyMage) | 160 comments Yeahh...

Although I think he probably more knew about that from Sophie. I think he realizes she has a crush on Fitz.

In Lodestar, it's starting to look like Keefe has a crush on Sophie, too, and that worries me.

And about the Dex shipping-more people are into Dex than a lot of us think. I know a Sodex shipper IRL and she has some good points. And a lot of people point out the thing about them being "cousins" but I don't really see that as a valid reason since Sohpie's adopted.

It does bring up some interesting points though. If bad matches are seen as so horrible in the Lost Cities because they're genetically wrong, and genetics are such a high point in their society, I wonder if the way some elves see bad matches is at all comparable to the way we see incest...

And also, have any of you heard the theory that Keefe and Sophie are siblings? My friend brought it up with me and I'm not at all sure what to think about it...


message 162: by *Ramya* (last edited Nov 13, 2016 08:35AM) (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
OK, here's the deal: I've always known that Keefe has a crush on Sophie (I'm good at reading people, I really am) since Exile-and it becomes even more obvious in Everblaze- but from Lodestar, I think Keefe may have been crushing on our Moonlark from Day 1 (he kept the midterms present she gve him)

BUT

I've always known that Sophie has a crush on Fitz, and since Sophie and Fitz are perfect for each other, I've always shipped

SOPHITZ!!!!!!

And yeah, for some time I thought, "What if Keefe and Sophie are siblings?" But I ruled it out because there is No Way Lady Gisela was with the Black Swan (if she really was part of it, I'm horrible at predicting-and usually, I'm great at ruling out theories that are false) or Lord Cassius, for that matter, since he's TRYING TO JOIN THE BLACK SWAN-and you don't need to join the Black Swan if you are already part of it-unless, of course, it's part of his cover.

All in all, I think that it's very unlikely that Keefe and Sophie are siblings-and there seriously is no way she's related to Fitz-UNLESS...

Sophie's mother or father is a VACKER...

*Moans*


message 163: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
Why did I have to go down this path?

*groans*

I really hope Sophie and Fitz aren't related!!!!!




message 164: by Georgia (new)

Georgia (georgiahcrisp) OMG why no that can't be an option!! Shannon wouldn't be that evil!! I don't think she would develop her relationship with fitz so much if she was going to drop a bomb like that. I honestly think her biological parents is either forkle #rip or one of the members of black swan... BUT IF LORD CASSIUS is her father that would be okay too because I feel like it would really help Sophie to have some blood family in the lost cities and finally have that mystery over with. She better find out in the next book!!!


message 165: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
I KNOW! How do you think Amy's going to react to Sophie having a new family?


message 166: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
Amelia wrote: "I don't know. I think that Fitz really just doesn't know what to do about girls, and he's slowly starting to figure it out. (Like that last scene... I LITERALLY slapped the book when Keefe interrup..."

You slapped the book? Haha-I *almost* did, but I didn't want to hurt my precious Lodestar.

Yeah, I'm weird like that.


message 167: by Georgia (new)

Georgia (georgiahcrisp) I think she might secretly be mad but realistically like she wasn't gonna live alone and until yesterday she couldn't remember Sophie existed so she doesn't have any right to be mad. Also she's like 11 but she was really annoying in the 1st book or at least she annoyed me so I'm hoping she's changed.


message 168: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
Well, I know from other books in which the main characters are brothers and sisters, that siblings may be annoying, but they share a kinship or bond, and really love each other, so I really hope to see sister bonding in the sixrh book!!!!!!

(Personally, I thought Amy was kinda funny)


message 169: by *Amelia* (new)

*Amelia* (StormyMage) | 160 comments Yeah... Mostly I think she's going to be to freaked out to really worry about that a lot, and it will to be a lesser extent than it would've been if Sophie had new siblings, there might be some painful moments with her calling them "Mom" and "Dad" and such.

And about that whole "Sophie is a Vacker theory"
I like it. That would be horrifyingly perfect. And I TOTALLY believe that Shannon would do it, spending forever on the Sophitz relationship or no. The one thing that makes me doubt it though is that Sophie doesn't seem to have any family resemblance to the Vackers at all, so there's that.

And about the whole Sophie-is-a-Sencen theory, while I never really bought into it that much, it did give me a couple ideas... the most notable of which is that Sophie's parents might not have been with the Black Swan. They could've stolen DNA from basically anyone. Or maybe I just made that up to make some of my other theories Make Sense. Idk. But it is possible.

*GASPGASPGASPGASPGASP*
WHAT IF SHE'S RELATED TO STINA!?!?!


message 170: by Georgia (last edited Nov 15, 2016 02:54PM) (new)

Georgia (georgiahcrisp) Amelia wrote: "Yeah... Mostly I think she's going to be to freaked out to really worry about that a lot, and it will to be a lesser extent than it would've been if Sophie had new siblings, there might be some pai..."

Yeah I thought about that and I was so grossed out about it- maybe the reason Stina hates Sophie so much is because she likes Fitz or Keefe OR BOTH I feel like that sibling ship wouldn't go very far and even though Keefe has obvious feelings for Sophie he would still learn to love her as a sister instead of as a girlfriend.


message 171: by *Amelia* (new)

*Amelia* (StormyMage) | 160 comments Yeah... I don't think that Amy is going to do anything with the love triangles except maybe end up shipped to one of Dex's brothers.

And yeah, I think you're right about that. I've heard some people say Stina likes Fitz, and thy might be right about it, I don't know. But I think that if any of the Stina ships happen, it's most likely to be with Dex.
That said, I don't really think any of them will happen though, soo... *shrugs*


message 172: by Georgia (new)

Georgia (georgiahcrisp) Amelia wrote: "Yeah... I don't think that Amy is going to do anything with the love triangles except maybe end up shipped to one of Dex's brothers.

And yeah, I think you're right about that. I've heard some peop..."


yeah I can't exactly see anyone (or at least any of sophie's friends) falling for Stina after what she did-unless she makes up for it in a BIG way. It'd be funny to see Amy end up with one of Dex's brothers and see another side of them... OR MAYBE HIS SISTER LEX... oh well we'll see...


message 173: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
I KNOW-but for some reason, I think Amy will shake up the love square (or whatever or is).

Maybe she'll make some testing comments like Biana does-oh!

I think Amy and Biana will get along really well!!!!!!!


message 174: by malayna (new)

malayna (malaynachang) | 205 comments I think that they won't. I don't know why, but Biana doesn't seem like the Amy type if that makes any sense...


message 175: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
Really? I think they are very alike.


I got a feeling...


message 176: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
"The star only rises at Nightfall..." (page 393, Lodestar hardcover)


What do you think THAT means?


message 177: by Emily (new)

Emily (emilyswiss) | 9 comments Ramya wrote: "The part where



Mr. Forkle dies?

Yeah, I really love all the characters, especially Mr. Forkle, and it was so sad when he died.

[spoilers removed]"

I cried when that happened!!!!!! How could he DO that to her!! Will she never find out who her parents are?? and Squall!!!! That came as a total surprise!


message 178: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
I almost cried too--it just didn't feel real, and then it hit me that while Mr. Forkle is gone, he says he has some sort of backup plan for Magnate Leto-I don't know if that means Mr. Forkle is somehow alive or if it means that Mr. Forkle is dead but he planned ahead for his death just in case.

And no, it doesn't mean that his secrets are lost-remember that he gives Sophie 'the thing that he keeps everything he knows in so he doesn't forget.' (I forgot what it was already so I'm going to completely reread Lodestar and annotate the book-stay tuned in case I find any major hints!)

Also, doesn't Tiergan/Granite know who Sophie's parents are?


message 179: by Hermit (new)

Hermit  (takesonetoknowone) | 9 comments ratherbereading wrote: "Ok I'm not waiting for anyone to respond.... Just don't click the spoilers link if you haven't read lodestar!!!!

LODESTAR SPOILERS:

OMG!!! I cannot believe Fitz nearly kissed Sophie!!!! (I again..."



hahahahah!!!!! I laughed and cried and threw the book and then made sure my book was okay. I finished it within like 3 hours... I will admit, but if you tell anybody i will have to kill y'all..... i do see sophitz happening and i kinda do like it, i am a mess... and what the heck shannon are you trying to kill all of us with the cliff hangers????


message 180: by jpnmusings (new)

jpnmusings :)


message 181: by *Ramya* (last edited Dec 18, 2016 08:19PM) (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
Seems like she is.


We won't tell anyone, but thank you for liking Sophitz!!!!!!


message 182: by *Molly Frannces* (new)

*Molly Frannces* (primteahatter) ratherbereading wrote: "Ok I'm not waiting for anyone to respond.... Just don't click the spoilers link if you haven't read lodestar!!!!

LODESTAR SPOILERS:

OMG!!! I cannot believe Fitz nearly kissed Sophie!!!! (I again..."


OMG!!!!!
I wanted to scratch my eyes out with a prattles pin after i read it!!!
It does answer some questions though...


message 183: by *Molly Frannces* (new)

*Molly Frannces* (primteahatter) Fitz IS #1!
I cant believe some people think that Keefe and Sophie might happen cause the only way for that to even be a thing is for Fitz to die


message 184: by jpnmusings (new)

jpnmusings Why? werent you rooting for it? (Except the Keefe interupting part of course)


message 185: by malayna (new)

malayna (malaynachang) | 205 comments Or for some random plot twist that I hope will never happen. I mean, SOPHITZ FOREVER and if not, no more Keeper for me. No not really. I will always love Keeper no matter what, but I will probably be super angry for a while. But then I'll just read it again. Also, I love writing cliffhanger endings or plot twists. I just don't like reading them as much.


message 186: by *Ramya* (new)

*Ramya* | 595 comments Mod
Malayna wrote: "Or for some random plot twist that I hope will never happen. I mean, SOPHITZ FOREVER and if not, no more Keeper for me. No not really. I will always love Keeper no matter what, but I will probably ..."

I have the exact same sentiments, Malayna!


message 187: by *Molly Frannces* (new)

*Molly Frannces* (primteahatter) ratherbereading wrote: "Why? werent you rooting for ift? (Except the Keefe interupting part of course)"

For Fitz to die or that Keefe might end up with Sophie?


message 188: by *Amelia* (new)

*Amelia* (StormyMage) | 160 comments Yeah. I don't know, I can still see Sokeefe maybe happening. (Although I hope it doesn't.)
But if it does, I'm seriously wondering how that's going to work with the cognate thing...


message 189: by *Uninarwhalcorn* (new)

*Uninarwhalcorn* | 78 comments Ooooh, that’s a good point. But I also wonder if them “dating” would at all affect their Cognatedom. (I think that’s a word.) I mean, aren’t you allowed to have a few secrets from each Other?


message 190: by Faith (new)

Faith (faithbereading) Nope, it was emphasized in Neverseen all secrets are shared by the end of training.


message 191: by *Uninarwhalcorn* (new)

*Uninarwhalcorn* | 78 comments Oh, I could so not do that. Not that I really have secrets, but a little privacy is nice, ya know?


message 192: by Faith (new)

Faith (faithbereading) I don't know, I might be able to. I don't really have a terrible secret.


message 193: by Georgia (new)

Georgia (georgiahcrisp) I don’t know if I missed it or not but when do Sophie and Fitz start dating??


message 194: by *Molly Frannces* (new)

*Molly Frannces* (primteahatter) Haha, they don't, at least not yet. :)
Fitz and Sophie haven't told each other that they like each other.
It's coming, though...


message 195: by *Uninarwhalcorn* (new)

*Uninarwhalcorn* | 78 comments I HOPE SO!!! *squeal*


message 196: by *Uninarwhalcorn* (new)

*Uninarwhalcorn* | 78 comments *sigh* Still haven’t read Nightfall


message 197: by *Molly Frannces* (new)

*Molly Frannces* (primteahatter) I'm reading it!!!!!!
It's SO good!
I'm currently confused as to who i ship anymore.
I may not be a Sophitz shipper anymore, but idk.


message 198: by *Uninarwhalcorn* (new)

*Uninarwhalcorn* | 78 comments We should really talk about this on the Nightfall thread, not the Lodestar one... :)


message 199: by *Molly Frannces* (new)

*Molly Frannces* (primteahatter) Got it


message 200: by *Molly Frannces* (new)

*Molly Frannces* (primteahatter) Got it


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