Accents in the "sort by title" field

[Abcdarian]

As discussed here https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/..., and due to multiple requests in the librarian group, it seems that the sort by title field should not have any accented letters. If this is so, it should perhaps be added to that section of the manual. Thanks.

[lethe]

See also this thread: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

I see no reason why the title sort field would/should work differently from the author sort field, i.e. no accents/diacritics (even though the accented letters are sometimes/usually? sorted correctly).

I would like to see some clarification as well.

[Leilin]

Bumping this:

What has the conclusion been?

Also, what about punctuation in title: I don't mean the colon separating a title from its subtitle, I mean what if we have, say, an exclamation point in the middle of the title. Do we erase it from the sort by title?

Finally, side question regarding series and sort by title. Which one would it be:
Title -> the title (series, #xx)
sort by -> title, the (series, #xx) OR title (series, #xx), the

(just trying to be clear once and for all about what's supposed to make its way in that field and how)

[Elizabeth (Alaska)]

The sort by title field should have no accents. However, that is an auto-fill field and the system will add them unless the member/librarian fills it in completely. Programming needs to be done to that section. It may not be a priority.

The series question is that it doesn't really matter and either is acceptable.

[Leilin]

Ok, thanks. I didn't take the auto-fill as necessarily doing it correctly (and assumed it was rather a "better than nothing" tool), so I was trying to understand the rules and fill it in properly myself.

I guess I can just give up on that and let it do whatever it sees fit then.

[Elizabeth (Alaska)]

Leilin wrote: "Ok, thanks. I didn't take the auto-fill as necessarily doing it correctly (and assumed it was rather a "better than nothing" tool), so I was trying to understand the rules and fill it in properly m..."

Part of the problem with the auto-fill is that with leading articles in some languages it doesn't put them at the end as is proper. I usually let the system auto-fill, but check them for this type of title. These may require editing (I think it does some correctly, and not others, but I don't remember which if any). I have been known to correct the accents at that time.

[Leilin]

Ok, that makes sense. I'll go about it that way too then!

Thanks Elizabeth! :)

[Elizabeth (Alaska)]

You're welcome Leilin. There are some languages - even European ones - that have what I choose to call "non Roman" letter symbols. I don't know what to do with those and will just leave them. There are also languages that are entirely non Roman letters.

Perhaps someone else can let us know how to handle these situations.