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Cool! You get to see real evidence & stuff! (I'll probably never sit on a criminal jury as a retired LEO - too bad).
K.A. wrote: "Cool! You get to see real evidence & stuff! (I'll probably never sit on a criminal jury as a retired LEO - too bad)."I live in a small rural area so the chances of getting called are probably slim. I was surprised it was for a year. I have had regular jury duty once before and it was only for 3 months. I only got called once and they settled out of court right before the trial. It was for a DUI. That was disappointing but just learning the preliminaries was interesting.
I am envious. :-) I would love a chance to sit on a criminal trial. Excited but nervous.Only once was someone I know called for jury duty and that was my mom. She was older (in her 60's) and my brother absolute "forbade it" (lol) because there was a trial coming up involving a biker gang and he was worried about her getting involved with that. I don't remember now how she got out of it.
I forget the book but one I read recently (I think it was "Why Not Killer Her") mentioned how the media got a hold of the names of the jury members. That's just wrong!!
Shelley wrote: "I forget the book but one I read recently (I think it was "Why Not Killer Her") mentioned how the media got a hold of the names of the jury members. That's just wrong!!"That would be scary.
In Canada any jury member's name is legally protected. They're not only not thrown to the media wolves, but they also can't expose themselves to comment by publishing jury memoirs the way William Zamora did with Blood Family.
Fishface wrote: "In Canada any jury member's name is legally protected. They're not only not thrown to the media wolves, but they also can't expose themselves to comment by publishing jury memoirs the way William Z..."I remember now. It was the jury for the second penalty trial for Jodi Arias. The press got a hold of their names!
Shelley wrote: "Fishface wrote: "In Canada any jury member's name is legally protected. They're not only not thrown to the media wolves, but they also can't expose themselves to comment by publishing jury memoirs ..."Well, their names are public record. Any media stooge patient enough to sit through voir dire will know not only their names, but their taste in clothing, political views and their stances on the death penalty.
Oh really? I did not know that. Isn't that a dangerous way to do things? Potential for threatening them or bribing them?
Shelley wrote: "Oh really? I did not know that. Isn't that a dangerous way to do things? Potential for threatening them or bribing them?"*shrug*
It's the only way we've ever done it. Grand juries are more protected, for some reason.
Just wondering: Does anyone know why A Question of Evidence: Who Killed the Babes in the Woods? is posted at the top of the discussions? Are we supposed to be reading it???
I wondered why that was there too. I thought maybe it was Belle "currently reading" book but it isn't. So, I am not sure.
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Because it's on the 'currently reading' shelf for the group.
Oh. And why is it on the Currently Reading shelf for the group? Because if the group's currently reading it, that's news to me...
I think, not having the long, in-depth, exposure to True Crime in the media that y'all seem to have, that the most heart rending documentary I have ever witnessed (and I'm not able to provide a link) is " A Letter to Zachery..."The sheer psychopathy of Shirley Turner, the way the court system was manipulated by her, and the blatant failure of the judicial system to do their due diligence for Andrew Bagby, his son Zachary, and the grandparents of Zachary, brings me to tears every time I watch it.
In a very scary way it brings me to see a direct corelation to the present political situation, where-in we have a president-elect with no boundaries, a miniscule attention span, and a disregard for human rights. Her ability to manipulate people references that of the Donald.
I couldn't find a documentary by that name at the Internet Movie Database. Where did you find it, Hari?
I wonder if this is the one: "Dear Zachary A Letter to a Son About His Father"It's with two a's: Zachary
It's on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3l6R...
Also Netflix or Amazon Prime or both, I think. I see it come up in my 'recommended' section regularly but I've never watched it.
Sorry for the misdirection. The documentary is very upsetting, and it was late. Let me know what you think about it.
Usually the post office is out of any of the stamps I want, but to my astonishment they had all the Harvey Milk and Elvis stamps a girl could possibly want when I went in today. Excellent!
I realize many of the members/contributors to this group are members of the law enforcement community, and are more informed than I, but the more I delve into True Crime genre I come to realize that a lot of the content becomes related to the failure of the law enforcement to properly follow what we in the medical community refer to as best practices.Failures to protect the crime scene, to follow chain-of-evidence, but to merely proceed on assumption rather than to "follow the evidence" seem to be rampant, at least in the media. For example, the Stephen Avery case, the Jon-Benet case, the O J Simpson case and the Jacob Wetterling case are damning.
I don't want to point a finger: how wrong am I? What percentage of cases would y'all say are handled according to best practices? Is it only a few well publicized cases that appear to indite?
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I was summoned for jury duty recently, managed to get out of both trials I was canvassed for.
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Whoever put it on the Groups shelves put it on Currently Reading. I removed it.
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Lady♥Belleza★✰ wrote: "Sorry I haven't been around. Been having some mental health issues. I have been keeping track on my phone, but haven't had the energy to log on and comment."Holidays? I hope you feel better soon!
That was my thought, too, K.A. That, or Trump malaise...Are you logging on again because you are starting to feel better, Bel? I hope?
Koren wrote: "Wow! I got a summons in the mail today. I'm on call for the GRAND jury in my county for the next YEAR! Oh my!"a year -- that's nuts
That's pretty typical for Grand Juries.
Grand Juries can be unique and quirky all in the same moment. I participated in several of them when I was writing wiretaps for cartels and gangs.
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Do we have a section for songs based on true crimes? I was thinking about that today while listening to the song The Way, by Fastball. It's not really about a crime, as it turned out to be an accident (?), but it brought the topic to mind. Here's a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0wfu... It's based on the disappearance of 80-year-old couple the Howards in Texas (found dead in Arkansas).Of course, there's I Don't Like Mondays by the Boomtown Rats, based on Brenda Ann Spencer's shooting spree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yteM...
I don't think Pumped-Up Kicks by Foster the People counts, because it's about a made-up school shooting rather than a real one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7...
I'm sure there are others...
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid by Bob Dylan is based on a true crime story.
This page lists 15 of them including another one by Bob Dylan. https://www.pastemagazine.com/article...
Wow, cool! Thanks...do we need a separate thread for this info?I didn't realize that Deep Red Bells was a true-crime song - I have that one and always liked it.
The second list seems to include songs about fictional crime-committers as well as real ones.
This is probably worth a thread on its own...it inspired me to finally look up that Richard Marx song, "Hazard," aka "Who Killed Mary?" and see if it was based on a true crime. Turns out it wasn't.
"Lullaby For Wayne" by Weezer is about WAYNE Lo's massacre at Simon's Rock College.
I'll make a separate thread under 'general' and Bell can adjust as necessary - I'll copy responses so far from here to there.
Josh wrote: "I an very happy to be here and speaking of clowns,I would like to read "Killer Clown by Terry Sullivan"I strongly recommend that one! It's excellent!
Hi all - trying to find books based on crimes in my friend's home states (Christmas gift), looking for recommended reading for Virginia( cannot find any on Colonial Parkway Murders or Freeway Phantom) and Illinois (other than Gacy).any suggestions are appreciated.
All the cases in Murder Next Door: How Police Tracked Down Eighteen Brutal Killers take place in the greater Chicago area.Murder in Little Egypt is an excellent read; the story is set in Illinois.
True Crime: Virginia: The State's Most Notorious Criminal Cases looks promising, and has a whole chapter on serial killer Timothy Spencer.
No Right to Remain Silent: The Tragedy at Virginia Tech is written by a professor at Virginia Tech who knew Seung-Hui Cho.
Oh, another one (if you think your friend can take it) is the horrifying Deadly Thrills: The True Story of Chicago's Most Shocking Killers by Jaye Slade Fletcher. That's a Chicago story.Predators on the Parkway: A Former Homicide Detective Explores the Colonial Parkway Murders is about the Colonial Parkway Murders.
Southside Strangler : The True Story of Timothy Spencer Wilson is a Virginia TC story. There are precious few TC stories set in Virgina, for some reason.
I'm in shock. Debbie Reynolds suffered a stroke and has died one day after her daughter Carrie Fisher.
That's sort of been a theme lately. Dylann Rooff's mother had a heart attack in court listening to her son testify about the menace blacks pose to decent society.
Fishface wrote: "That's sort of been a theme lately. Dylann Rooff's mother had a heart attack in court listening to her son testify about the menace blacks pose to decent society."Stress can bring on a multitude of problems.
I wonder which is really worse -- having your daughter die so young or having your son explain why he felt he was justified in killing 9 total strangers?
Fishface wrote: "I wonder which is really worse -- having your daughter die so young or having your son explain why he felt he was justified in killing 9 total strangers?"I don't think either one would be very pleasant.
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Predators on the Parkway: A Former Homicide Detective Explores the Colonial Parkway Murders (other topics)Southside Strangler : The True Story of Timothy Spencer Wilson (other topics)
Deadly Thrills: The True Story of Chicago's Most Shocking Killers (other topics)
Murder Next Door: How Police Tracked Down 18 Brutal Killers (other topics)
True Crime: Virginia (other topics)
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Do you know how likely you are to be actually called to sit for a grand jury trial? I would be excited and nervous. I *think* I would love to be involved in a trial.