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message 1: by Talltree (new)

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This place is for chatter about anything in general - books, GR, questions, catching up...


message 2: by Bookishcat (new)

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Hmm so here is something that has been on my mind for a long time what is the first Polandry style romance novel? Was it the the Anita Blake series? Anyone know of any older than that series, I've tried googling this to no success!


message 3: by Talltree (last edited Jun 11, 2016 08:40AM) (new)

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That is an interesting question Bookishcat, I wish I knew!!
My first experience of that (kind of) was Beatrice Small's Hetar books where Lara loved 2 men and got to be with both - but not at the same time. It was a bit of a revelation bcos it felt like the h got to have her cake and eat it too and that was not common for many books at that time!

I have read mainstream fiction with polygamy and even polyandry - The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, where the H was in a polyandrous relationship with the woman he loved but I can't recall anything older than the last 5 years.

I am sure older romantic fiction where a woman had multiple lovers at the same time must exist - given polyandry actually flourished in many cultures for centuries like in say, Nepal etc. I hope I find out, whoever wrote it is a pioneer in my book,lol!


message 4: by BookAddict (new)

BookAddict  ✒ La Crimson Femme (lacrimsonfemme) | 10 comments I tend to think of Ménage which originally came out in 1998. LKH danced around menage and poly for a while. Her menage and poly was dysfunctional for several books until she could do poly in real life herself.

Emma Holly's menage back in 1998 was the first one I read where I could see the possibilities instead of the fantasy.


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BookAddict  ✒ La Crimson Femme (lacrimsonfemme) | 10 comments Oh, I forgot to mention all the anonymous books I used to read from Publisher Black Lace which contained poly too. I was so sad when that company closed shop.


message 6: by Bookishcat (new)

Bookishcat | 63 comments Mod
♆ BookAddict wrote: "I tend to think of Ménage which originally came out in 1998. LKH danced around menage and poly for a while. Her menage and poly was dysfunctional for several books until she could do ..."

Huh, i didn't Emma holly had been writing that long!


message 7: by Bookishcat (new)

Bookishcat | 63 comments Mod
Talltree wrote: "That is an interesting question Bookishcat, I wish I knew!!
My first experience of that (kind of) was Beatrice Small's Hetar books where Lara loved 2 men and got to be with both - but not at the sa..."

Thats still pretty progressive I may check out that series!!!


message 8: by BookAddict (new)

BookAddict  ✒ La Crimson Femme (lacrimsonfemme) | 10 comments Bookishcat wrote: "
Huh, i didn't Emma holly had been writing that long! "


^_^ - she was one of the first authors I could find that wrote contemporary erotica with just the right amount of realism.


message 9: by Talltree (last edited Jun 11, 2016 11:26PM) (new)

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BC, Here are some of the details about the series, it wasn't too bad as I recall:

http://www.bertricesmall.com/hetar.shtml

And wasn't there a Greek goddess who had two lovers at the sametime and they knew about each other? - or was that a husband and lover - I forget....

BA, I was sad too when Black Lace closed, in a way it (and Jasmine Jade) were pioneers in the romantica business.

LKH esp. in Anita was dysfunctional! I used to follow her blog for years so I know what you mean. I stopped reading that series though Anita is still my no.1 h, she was so genuinely kickass, no-one can beat her. But I still love my Merry books, I haven't read the latest one out bcos I've heard its not that great, but the older books are gold,IMO.


message 10: by BookAddict (last edited Jun 12, 2016 01:27PM) (new)

BookAddict  ✒ La Crimson Femme (lacrimsonfemme) | 10 comments @ Talltree - I like the Merry Books. I still read all the Anita Blake books. The writing is just eh. I read it for the porn.


message 11: by Talltree (new)

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♆ BookAddict wrote: "@ Talltree - I like the Merry Books. I still read all the Anita Blake books. The writing is just eh. I read it for the porn."

Lol, I'm glad someone is still reading them. I truly do love LKH and wish all her books become bestsellers!! She does great and atmospheric sex scenes too, if I recall right! I've yet to find a writer who writes PNR/UF so well - gritty, a bit dark and top notch; Christine Feehan comes close for me and so does Ilona Andrews but they're MF. I can't recall any great series with polyamory in PNR/UF thats of that calibre...


message 12: by BookAddict (new)

BookAddict  ✒ La Crimson Femme (lacrimsonfemme) | 10 comments Talltree wrote: "Lol, I'm glad someone is still reading them. I truly do love LKH and wish all her books become bestsellers!! She does great and atmospheric sex scenes too, if I recall right! I've yet to find a writer who writes PNR/UF so well - gritty, a bit dark and top notch; Christine Feehan comes close for me and so does Ilona Andrews but they're MF. I can't recall any great series with polyamory in PNR/UF thats of that calibre... "

I totally recommend C.E. Murphy, Faith Hunter and Morgan Hawke.

All three write PNR/UF gritty with better plot development and world building. They are well edited as well. The kink factor in Morgan Hawke, especially her interstellar discipline is off the charts. Morgan does some space opera too.

C.E. Murphy is hard hitting UF - all her series. Faith is more PNR than UF.

An amazing writer with less sex but dark, gritty, well developed and fabulous characters - Devon Monk.

One of my favourite writers is Keri Arthur. Her PNR are dark and oh so good. She's also an author who writes very tight storylines and she ENDS her series. As in... you get 7 and that's it. No more. Kills me.

If you haven't tried Jacqueline Carey, you are missing out on some of the most amazing erotic fantasy series. The first Kushiel triliogy is out of this world. We are talking, I have never found another author in all the books I've read who have created a world as complex and amazingly thought out as she has. The descriptions, the characters, oh, god, the sexual tension w/o mentioning BDSM is beyond description.


message 13: by Bookishcat (new)

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♆ BookAddict wrote: "Talltree wrote: "Lol, I'm glad someone is still reading them. I truly do love LKH and wish all her books become bestsellers!! She does great and atmospheric sex scenes too, if I recall right! I've ..."

Thanks for these reccs Book Addict I always like CE Murphy but never tried the others! Can't wait to give than a shot!!! :)


message 14: by BookAddict (new)

BookAddict  ✒ La Crimson Femme (lacrimsonfemme) | 10 comments Bookishcat wrote: "Thanks for these reccs Book Addict I always like CE Murphy but never tried the others! Can't wait to give than a shot!!! :) "

^_^ I hope you enjoy them. I hope your TPE doesn't get too big...

* drops one more book on the high pile and runs *




message 15: by Bookishcat (new)

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♆ BookAddict wrote: "Bookishcat wrote: "Thanks for these reccs Book Addict I always like CE Murphy but never tried the others! Can't wait to give than a shot!!! :) "

^_^ I hope you enjoy them. I hope your TPE doesn't ..."


Ha! The pile never ends so I've given up trying to stop its growth.


message 16: by Talltree (last edited Jun 18, 2016 01:12AM) (new)

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Thank you Bookaddict! Of the authors you've mentioned I've read Riley Jensen and loved it, you're right Keri Arthur is one author who sticks to her story arc and doesn't drag it out!!

I will defly try the others starting with Kushiel's Dart!!


message 17: by Talltree (last edited Jun 18, 2016 01:32PM) (new)

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On another note , does anyone know of any nice MFM/MMF movies or TV shows which end on a menage HEA?
I enjoyed Splendor (rom-com with MFM HEA) and am thinking of checking out My Wife Got Married...


message 18: by BookAddict (new)

BookAddict  ✒ La Crimson Femme (lacrimsonfemme) | 10 comments Talltree wrote: "On another note , does anyone know of any nice MFM/MMF movies or TV shows which end on a menage HEA?
I enjoyed Splendor and am thinking of checking out My Wife Got Married..."


This will be interesting. I have only seen a Mfm movie which did not end in a HEA or even HFN - Threesome.


message 19: by Bookishcat (new)

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Talltree wrote: "On another note , does anyone know of any nice MFM/MMF movies or TV shows which end on a menage HEA?
I enjoyed Splendor and am thinking of checking out My Wife Got Married..."


I didn't know there were any movies or tv shows!!! The only movie I knew of was savages and it had kind of a ambiguous ending that the three might get back together...that movie was so gory though


message 20: by BookAddict (new)

BookAddict  ✒ La Crimson Femme (lacrimsonfemme) | 10 comments I found a link - I've seen some of these. And then I remembered Henry and June. That was a good movie.

https://www.themoviedb.org/keyword/31...


~ Lei ~ Reading Is An Adventure ~ (leilanilives2read) ♆ BookAddict wrote: "I tend to think of Ménage which originally came out in 1998. LKH danced around menage and poly for a while. Her menage and poly was dysfunctional for several books until she could do ..."

Emma Holly has some excellent menage reads and she was one of the first menage authors I'd read.


message 22: by Talltree (last edited Jun 19, 2016 03:59AM) (new)

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Bookishcat wrote: "The only movie I knew of was savages and it had kind of a ambiguous ending that the three might get back together...that movie was so gory though "

Yes Savages was gory and the ending I don't even remember it but it was nice seeing a menage relationship in a somewhat mainstream movie.

♆ BookAddict wrote: "I found a link - I've seen some of these. And then I remembered Henry and June. That was a good movie.

https://www.themoviedb.org/keyword/31..."



Henry and June was FMF wasn't it? It looks beautiful though!! Thanks for the list BA, I think I will check out that Cold Showers movie, it looks interesting and I think it has a menage HEA:)


message 23: by Talltree (last edited Jun 19, 2016 03:58AM) (new)

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~ Lei ~ Reading Is An Adventure ~ wrote: "Emma Holly has some excellent menage reads and she was one of the first menage authors I'd read. "

Yes, she was kind of a pioneer lol, but it has really caught up and now so many people are writing menages, thank god! Lol. But I'm glad she is still keeping up more than a decade later. I like her billionaire bad boy series and am planning to read her latest Lord & Master Lord & Master (The Billionaires, #3) by Emma Holly soon!!


message 24: by Malinda (new)

Malinda (malindad) ~ Lei ~ Reading Is An Adventure ~ wrote: "♆ BookAddict wrote: "I tend to think of Ménage which originally came out in 1998. LKH danced around menage and poly for a while. Her menage and poly was dysfunctional for several book..."

One of my early menage reads and a fave of mine is The Billionaire Bad Boys Club (The Billionaires, #1) by Emma Holly The Billionaire Bad Boys Club. It's a horrible name but the story is awesome. :D


message 25: by Malinda (new)

Malinda (malindad) Bookishcat wrote: "Hmm so here is something that has been on my mind for a long time what is the first Polandry style romance novel? Was it the the Anita Blake series? Anyone know of any older than that series, I've ..."

I'm not sure but Anita Blake was my first menage.


message 26: by Talltree (new)

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LKH was my first menage read too Malinda!! She is awesome, wish she were more popular now. Other authors who came after her are now ruling the PNR roost....


message 27: by Talltree (new)

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I apologise for being away from the new group, I've had an interesting end of the month!

On another note lets talk love triangles! I hate them, it just makes the people sound indecisive and weak. So many times I've wished they would end up a menage and call it a day,lol!! So what books/characters have you read that you wished would end up in a menage???!! Do share!


message 28: by Talltree (last edited Jul 01, 2016 10:09AM) (new)

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Oooh, I completely get you about the Vampire Diaries!! That guy is so hot....totally agree about the missed opportunity thing;)

For me it was Eve with Jack and Death in Kresley Cole's Arcana Chronicles. I felt the h loved both H's equally - and I couldn't choose one of them, lol - so I wanted the h to pick both the guys!!


message 29: by Bookishcat (new)

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K. wrote: "When I was reading the Walking Dead graphic novels I wanted Rick, Shane, and Lori to end up together. I mean I knew it wouldn't happen but what a missed opportunity lol.

Also, from Vampire Diaries..."

The vampire diaries series! Yes! That would have been a great threesome couple!! Shane, Rick, and Luarie also would have been good. I think I just hate love triangles lol


message 30: by Bookishcat (new)

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Love triangles are kinda the bane of my existence I don't get them!! I'm convinced everyone should all be together lol. I donot know if it's just me but I always choose the wrong guy who doesn't get picked and then I'll be grumpy for days.


message 31: by Bookishcat (new)

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Talltree wrote: "Oooh, I completely get you about the Vampire Diaries!! That guy is so hot....totally agree about the missed opportunity thing;)

For me it was Eve with Jack and Death in Kresley Cole's Arcana Chron..."

We still have hope for that one!!! I'm keeping my fingers crossed.


message 32: by Bookishcat (new)

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Happy Fourth of July to those in the states! i wish you all a happy holiday!


message 33: by Talltree (new)

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Bookishcat wrote: "Love triangles are kinda the bane of my existence I don't get them!! I'm convinced everyone should all be together lol. I donot know if it's just me but I always choose the wrong guy who doesn't ge..."


Lol!! I choose the wrong guy too, I always choose the evil villain type who is stalkerishly obsessed with the h, while she ends up with the bland good guy:((
Anyway I'm eagerly awaiting Arcana 4, can't wait for next month to read Arcana Rising (The Arcana Chronicles, #4) by Kresley Cole , fingers crossed for that one!!


message 34: by Tilly (new)

Tilly (madmat) | 42 comments Talltree wrote: "~ Lei ~ Reading Is An Adventure ~ wrote: "Emma Holly has some excellent menage reads and she was one of the first menage authors I'd read. "

Yes, she was kind of a pioneer lol, but it has really c..."


I agree, I've loved Ménage, Beck & Call + Lord & Master, and Bad Boys Club. Hidden Depths (which is MMFM actually) and Strange Attractions are very good too.

She's got threesomes in quite a few other books. I particularly like the one in Velvet Glove.


message 35: by Talltree (new)

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Hi Tilly, what was your take on Beck and Call, some reviews said it was just okay, so I'm not sure what to think?


message 36: by Tilly (new)

Tilly (madmat) | 42 comments Talltree wrote: "Hi Tilly, what was your take on Beck and Call, some reviews said it was just okay, so I'm not sure what to think?"

Hi Talltree, I really liked Beck & Call, and the sequel Lord & Master. I have complained somewhere here about the damsel in distress thing but in this book it actually works really well. The main 3 characters all have depth and are interesting, and I like the characters in the background.
I've never articulated a review for a book properly so this is a bit difficult. I just think Emma Holly's books are well written, the sex scenes are always amazing, she doesn't resort to the stereotypical adjectives. There's some dominance thrown in (not in the case in Bad Boys Club for instance) but it's really good, it really gives it an edge, a tension. It's not 'you're our woman and will do as we say'/thumps chest and smacks bottom kind of thing.
The billionaire hero is an interesting antithesis of the wealthy philanderer. And thanks to the other male hero, I will never think of bondage the same way again!
Actually, I've just read BookishCat's review here and I agree with everything, but too many spoilers!


message 37: by Talltree (new)

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Thanks Tilly, I actually love spoilers but you've convinced me and I think I'll get the book!


message 38: by Talltree (last edited Feb 01, 2017 07:43AM) (new)

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I'm so excited, Thunderclaw (Alien Warrior, #2) by Penelope Fletcher Thunderclaw is LIVE today( and also on KU, I think). Its a book thats been ages in the making, can't wait to see early reviewers opinion of it. I'm a bit nervous because the Hero has a harem of 600 and is a hedonist of the first order so not exactly sure how he's going to be happy being loyal to only one human woman( and the other guy, since this is MMF)....I'd love to hear anyones opinion on the book!


message 39: by Heather in FL (new)

Heather in FL (heather_fl) | 21 comments Harem of 600! Woah!


message 40: by Talltree (last edited Feb 01, 2017 10:50PM) (new)

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Oh yeah, harem of hundreds of both men and women of all kinds of alien species performing all sorts of salacious acts on the guy!! - I'm thinking what would be the incentive for a hedonist to trade it all in for monogamy,lol?!;)


message 41: by Heather in FL (new)

Heather in FL (heather_fl) | 21 comments No kidding, lol!


⚜️Charlotte⚜️ | 21 comments Talltree wrote: "Oh yeah, harem of hundreds of both men and women of all kinds of alien species performing all sorts of salacious acts on the guy!! - I'm thinking what would be the incentive for a hedonist to trade..."

Wow...that's some serious stamina! I agree, I see no incentive, how can one person measure up to that? lol...can't wait for your review on this one! ;)


message 43: by Talltree (new)

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Well, tbh I'm waiting for the early reviews on this one before reading. Venomous (Alien Warrior, #1) by Penelope Fletcher Venomous was so awesome that I think I have over-large expectations for this one....


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