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Jan 24, 2019 06:28PM
Good luck with that :-) And my apologies for the inappropriate quote. I went too far in trying to make a point.
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Hi. Can you tell me how to search for an old thread that I want to revive?
There is a 'search' window above the moderators' icons on a computer screen, where you can enter a word you want and find threads with it either in the thread's name or within the posts..
Has "Search discussion posts." in the dialog window.
Ha, 13,700 km apart - we just did it simultaneously -:)
Thanks, Nik and Graeme, for staying on top of things. You guys are a big part of what makes this group so great.
Thanks Scout.Much appreciated.
By the same token, none of this means anything without people willing to participate in conversations.
Scout wrote: "Thanks, Nik and Graeme, for staying on top of things. You guys are a big part of what makes this group so great."Welcome and thanks a lot for your kind words and active participation!
Hi. Just wondering if Tara is still a moderator. I never see her around.
To my regret, Tara forewarned me that she'd be quitting her role in the group some time ago, but asked to leave her image on moderators' board. It doesn't occupy too much cyberspace :) As far as I know after writing her non-fic book as Tara, she switched to a fic project under a pseudonym. For all I know, she might be here unbeknownst to us
I get it, Nik. Just curious, as always :-)
Hi All,Just noting that we sometimes have members with specific skill sets and publications that are directly relevant to a conversation thread.
Does anyone have an issue with members linking to their own publications, etc - when it is directly relevant to the topic at hand?
The concern, of course is that it could open the door to 'spamming.' But I suspect it's worth a try - what do you think?
If it's relevant, I think it's fine. Spamming is generally different. I saw the gentleman who is the evolutionary virologist commenting.As long as we don't shove our books/publications down people's throats every 5 seconds, that should work.
I agree with Leonie. If the link provides further information directly relating to the answer, and is being offered simply to say, "here is further information" that is fine by me. The key words are "directly relating to".
Thanks Ian, I appreciate the feedback.
Further to Leonie's point, abuse will be detected.
No doubt that we can count on that, Graeme. Thanks.
Just to clarify, we have a new policy.It's ok to link to your own publications provided they are pertinent to the topic at hand. This allows our learned colleagues to maximize the value they can contribute to a conversation.
What happened to the "What are all the great things you can do here" thread?
Scout wrote: "What happened to the "What are all the great things you can do here" thread?"Archived... Perhaps, Nik will expand upon what happened. (i.e. It wasn't me...)
Yes, moved it to archives folder for the time being, as it is partially outdated
Thanks for sharing your marketing experience, Graeme, all these years! It was probably the most followed thread, which, I'm sure, helped many. Regret to hear it didn't cross the positive cashflow threshold. Maybe - yet.
Not giving up, I hope, Graeme. I've enjoyed your books and I'm sure others have and will continue to do so. Cheers!
Hi Nik, and Scout,Still writing, it's a labour of love for me. I'll complete my current series without problems.
However, as far as marketing goes, there's a market for vampires who suck face (paranormal romance) and vampires who suck necks (straight horror), but vampires with machine guns - not so much.
I've struggled to get meaningful numbers of people reading A Subtle Agency, who then go on to read A Traitor's War, so finding readers who pick up the series has been (too) few and far between.
So once I finish my current book, I'll start brainstorming two new series. One will be a straight military thriller (like Tom Clancy) based on conflict between China and the US, and the second will be supernatural horror.
From a marketing perspective - either series will play to my strengths while striking (hopefully) an easily identifiable core broad audience.
Graeme wrote: "So once I finish my current book, I'll start brainstorming two new series. One will be a straight military thriller (like Tom Clancy) based on conflict between China and the US, and the second will be supernatural horror...."Sounds like excellent and actual projects!
I already have an inkling of a story in both arenas.
From what I make out from this thread, Graeme is selling books, but the marketing costs always exceed sales. Is that right? My literary efforts overall actually lead me to paying tax, BUT sales are rather low while I have eliminated advertising that never comes close to paying for itself. It is very tricky trying to work out how to succeed.
Ian wrote: "From what I make out from this thread, Graeme is selling books, but the marketing costs always exceed sales. Is that right? My literary efforts overall actually lead me to paying tax, BUT sales a..."
Correct, Ian, and by a fair margin too.
The bigger issue is as follows.
Book #1: A Subtle Agency - Published May 2016
Kindle Paid = 809
Free = 14295
Paperback = 37
KNEP = 65887
Royalties US = $655.49
Book #2: A Traitor's War - Published April 2017
Kindle Paid = 237
Free = 746
Paperback = 7
KNEP = 44180
Royalties US = $485.84
Book #3: The Dragon's Den - Published December 2017
Kindle Paid = 164
Free = 731
Paperback = 4
KNEP = 26696
Royalties US = $280.30
Book #4: The Day Guard - Published September 2018
Kindle Paid = 119
Free = 0
Paperback = 3
KNEP = 32476 = 67 paid.
Royalties US = $345.65
Book #5: The Crane War - Published November 2019
Kindle Paid = 66
Free = 0
Paperback = 0
KNEP = 28582 = 37paid.
Royalties US = $232.35
Book #1-3: A Subtle Agency - Published March 2020
111 9089 0 0 84086 $368.31
Kindle Paid = 111
Free = 9089
Paperback = 0
KNEP = 84086
Royalties US = $368.31
So, given, approx 15K instances of ASA, and 9K+ instances of ASA-O are in potential readers hands, I've got approx 185 and 105 total sales of TDG & TCW respectively.
Now given, that free books are rarely read, it's still a very low read through rate.
My current audience is somewhere between 200 and 1000 people.
A couple of months ago, "Chemistry World" did an article on a couple of UK chemists who had gone into novel writing, and the article said that editors claim there is a vast audience out there for novels with some realistic science. Well, if there is, I can't find anything that qualifies as "vast", but I think part of the problem is, how do you let the right readers find you? At first sight, the answer is "advertise" but when I look at most of the sites you can advertise on there will be a large number of romance novels, and some other stuff, and most readers looking for a specialist genre will be immediately turned off by the first glance at the sites.It seems to me there should be a market for sites that offer quite specialist listing so that potential readers don't have to trawl through pages of what won't interest them. Then, of course, if someone started such a site, the next problem is to publicise it so people look at it. Almost as hard as selling the books in the first place :-(
Graeme wrote: "My current audience is somewhere between 200 and 1000 people."I've just sent a book recommendation of the omnibus to all my 3.5K+ friends on Goodreads. Hope it'll bring more readers. Maybe some will unfriend me, because of that, but I believe most will appreciate
Ian wrote: "....It seems to me there should be a market for sites that offer quite specialist listing so that potential readers don't have to trawl through pages of what won't interest them. Then, of course, if someone started such a site, the next problem is to publicise it so people look at it. Almost as hard as selling the books in the first place :-(..."Gotta think about something
Nik wrote: "Graeme wrote: "My current audience is somewhere between 200 and 1000 people."I've just sent a book recommendation of the omnibus to all my 3.5K+ friends on Goodreads. Hope it'll bring more reader..."
Awesome, Nik.
Unexpected and much appreciated.
Cheers Graeme
Welcome, Graeme, happy to help. Hope you'll see some response in sales
Hi All,I'm running into the end of this year exhausted on multiple fronts, so, I'm taking a break from the threads.
I'll still keep my eye open for spam.
Best wishes to everyone here for a healthy, happy, and prosperous new year, and I'll see you all (hopefully) in 2022.
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