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ACOWAR ~ Plot Predictions
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May 15, 2016 11:39PM
I think Mor's father, and in general the court of nightmares, is to blame for the backstabbing. It's obvious they hate Rhys. Autumn court's a bitch, and so are the queens. We have to factor in all of that. Same for the Queens being Made by the cauldron, too. Feyre left before they could get into the cauldron. They could have died or they were Made. Either way, the pose a threat. Not just with the Hybern King, but also because their immortal now, too
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What I think might happen:-Tarquin joining Rhys' side during war. He wants to solve the problems between the High Fae and the lesser Fae and maybe he knows about Feyre helping one at the Tithe.
Maybe when Feyre visits the Summer Court again with Tamlin, she might struck a deal with Tarquin that he will join Rhys .
I think in Book 3 we see which court will stand with Hybern or not
I feel like Rhys getting Feyre is going to be very hard, and in the end some kind of bargain might have to be struck bc this whole thing is revolving around Feyre. SHE IS I SWEAR THE GOLDEN SNITCH. Hybern wants her. She's the only one who can. in theory, control the Cauldron using the Book. She's Rhysand's Mate and Tamlin's life-and-death (essentially). She's also the main character. She's also the most powerful Made ever created and Sarah knows that if Feyre dies we'll hate her guts and feel like dying ourselves, THAT'S HOW POWERFUL SHE IS. Feyre is like the goal for basically everyone here. Anyone who is anyone is connected to her (Nesta and Elain, her sisters; The Squad, through Rhysand).
I think #3 is going to really revolve around her because she is so important; she's gonna be like the throne of England in the War of the Roses. Fricking important and super coveted. So Rhysand trying to get her back I feel is going to backfire completely, or at least a little, because something (someone) that important would not be given away that easily, as in Rhys just strolls in and takes her away with him.
Any theories on who is going to die? I reckon Tamlin here is at a Draco Malfoy (sorry for all the HP references) paradox here, where he'll redeem himself at the last second.
Hybern's gonna die.
Someone we love is gonna die. I leaning towards Mor or Azriel.
I also think Prythian and the mortal world, the whole world, is going to go through huge huge changes after this war. Like, a completely change in social systems, a way of life.
I think it's going to be death widespread. Rhysand is going to become completely ruthless, and we'll see a darker side to him that festered when he was with Amarantha (aka lots of torture). The drive for control/possession of Feyre and her power, and what she symbolises, for the major players in this war, are going to do some interesting things to characters and drive them to levels we haven't seen before.
Beela wrote: "That's true.And yeah, I can see Nesta becoming a traitor. If she does it's bye bye hot Fae boyfriend"
I think Nesta's pretty stoic. She's hardcore but she cares for family, and if that means sticking with The Squad so that she can ensure Feyre is safe, even if she obviously doesn't need protection, then she will. I don't think we can point fingers until the first few chapter of #3. Still, I'm leaning to the weaker of the group, Elain, as she's obviously desperate to escape her sister's protection, and I think she sees Lucian as that opportunity.
I agree with everything you said, especially with the part about Rhys being more ruthless. And I can see Elian betraying everyone. Who's side would Nesta stay on if Elian did betray everyone?
Elain is a baby!!!! An useless baby! (sorry for those who like her) I don´t think she could betray on purpose... Perhaps somebody will manipulate her. She may be sick of Nesta´s control but not enough to betray. And Nesta doesn´t loves Feyre... she someway has good feelings for her but not love. What kind of elder sister lets her baby sist to risk her life in the forest while hunting without any kind of help?
Noris wrote: "Elain is a baby!!!! An useless baby! (sorry for those who like her) I don´t think she could betray on purpose... Perhaps somebody will manipulate her. She may be sick of Nesta´s control but not eno...""What kind of sister..." Haha the tough cookies one :D
Not so much love, I think, but more she's very protective of her family. Like, think of the Lannisters in GoT: there's at least 20 of them, they all almost hate each other, but name is everything, so even if they do, they'll save their asses to save themselves. So, it's loyalty but not necessarily love. Does that make sense? I'm just getting that vibe from her, a "I don't take shit from nobody" (ahem, Cassian and her good aim). In defence of her, yes, she didn't help Feyre at the beginning, but when Feyre returned, she was the first to try and reconcile (but that was after Tamlin upgraded them, so I'm not sure where I sit with Nesta on that.) But still I don't she'll betray them.
Nesta is overtly protective of Elain, and it's the old HP saying: "You've got nothing to fear if you've got nothing to hide." Elain therefore has my suspicions, because I think that she's got some hidden power that was awakened when she was Made, and it's big. Therefore, I think she'll be really strong in power, but in will that's where she'll fail. She's bent a lot in the series (she's submissive). I don't know whether she'll hone her power enough to come into herself, but right now for me she's the weak link, and if Hybern and the enemies realise this, I think they'll manipulate her, either through Lucian or Feyre.
I also reckon she'll accept the Mate, just because Nesta says she won't.
Also so so excited for Court of Nightmares introduction with Feyre and Rhysand as High Lord and Lady! (gonna literally be smoking.)
Confession: Rhys is my new book boyfriend. Anyone ditto? ;)
Rhysand is my boyfriend too!!!! Ditto to the moon
I love him... he´s kinda my perfect guy: incredibly smart and cunning, loyal to his family, funny, lovely without being corny, horny without being vulgar. Really guy´s I made my boyfriend get sick with all my Rhysand Rhysand Rhys conversation. If Sara insists on making male characters so amazing... I don´t know what the rest of guys on this planet would do with my male-high-standards.I know this could sound weird, but I was thinking that if ToG and ACOTAR would´ve happened in the same universe, Rhysand and Aelin would be mates with no doubt. They´re perfect for each other.
Rhysand and Aelin...That's an interesting thought. But I think they're too similar - they're both assertive, protective, powerful, fighting for the greater good (Aelin more now), sarcastic, sassy, and inherently arrogant but in the end very caring. I think Aelin's too dismissive for Rhys also; Rhys takes things a lot harder than Aelin does, plus Aelin, due to Celaena, is much more 'relaxed' about killing than Rhys. She has, I would consider, a 'higher' past than Rhys. She killed people and she didn't mind it, and yes, she is still scarred by Sam (but she's avenged him so she's moving past it). Rhys is still traumatised - he was used and raped and I think that that would clash between them. Aelin might understand, but not as much as Feyre, because she saw firsthand what Amarantha did. For me, Arobynn pales when contrasted to Amarantha, and Hybern. So, I guess in reflection Rhcsalin could happen, and might work (if Feyre wasn't an option), but Feysand is better.
Okay, little change in universe, but do you think that Dorian might end up with someone?
My predictions on traitors, also: Internal traitors: someone new (I'm predicting Elain, because she's a more submissive and influenced character, and she can be swayed with 1. her fiancé 2. Lucian 3. Feyre (while she still is at the Spring Court)) or someone newly introduced in #3 that will infiltrate the Squad.
External traitors: Spring Court, Autumn Court, Dawn Court.
Winter Court for me is neutral.
Rhysand and Hybern will be competing for the alliance of Day Court as it is the gateway to Night Court. Rhysand would also seeking an alliance with Summer as they agree in policy and Summer is directly opposite Hybern.
Hi! I’m new here. Just wanted share my thoughts on who might be the traitor...1. Please don’t shoot me for saying this but I have a feeling that somebody in the Court of Dreams already betrayed Rhys. I don’t know why I feel that way, but I do. (and I think it is either Morrigan or Amren). I know that all the members of the Inner Circle are loyal to Rhys but,... well, maybe I’m overthinking. But, I still can’t shake off the feeling...
2. What is Amren? Is she truly loyal to Rhys? To me, she seemed to care too much for Feyre. I mean, I know that she’s Rhys’s mate and she’s supposed to care for her but she didn’t have to get that mad at Rhys in the end when he told her that Feyre is going to spy for them, did she? I didn’t see Amren and Feyre forming that strong a friendship... or am I missing something? Also, she seemed to be taking a very long time deciphering the Book. Amren still remains quite a mystery to me...
3. What are Mor’s powers? Why is she called ‘queen’ by some people? I think she may be betraying Rhys... I mean, she didn’t join the party when they went to visit Feyre’s old home the first time. There are several references of her being too perky for someone who has spent the entire night in the city... Also, where did she take Nesta and Elain? Why couldn’t she just take them to Velaris with everybody else?
4. I’m not sure whether Nesta or Elain will betray them in book 3. I mean, it’s Sarah J. Maas. She always manages to surprise us with plot twists. We know too little of them and we don't know how being Made affected them.
I think that Mor didn't take them to Velaris because they still haven't been proven to be trustworthy. And plus, to be perfectly honest, no one really cares about their opinions yet and to have them be in that final scene, they just would have been in the way. I'm not sure I'm ready to like either of them yet.
As for Amren, let's break it down1. She can take hold of people's nightmares
2. She likes blood (not human blood however)
3. She likes treasure/ shiny things
4. Hella old
5. Likes to be alone but have family
What creature matches this description?
Personally I like the dragon idea. But I don't know how that would work and it doesn't make a lot of sense.
I don't understand the whole traitor option. Betray in what way? Regardless of their close knit relationship - rhys's inner circle still have to respect their high lord and his mate. Amren told Feyre that they were the lucky ones to have Rhys. I'm sorry but I do not think anyone in his inner circle will turn out to be traitor, unless forced beyond their reasoning and control. I think Feyre will be the one to convince the summer court to ally with night court.
That Feyre, Elain and Nesta are decendants from Miryam and Drakon. Her father is on another continent for "business". Sounds suspicious to me!
Noris wrote: "Elain is a baby!!!! An useless baby! (sorry for those who like her) I don´t think she could betray on purpose... Perhaps somebody will manipulate her. She may be sick of Nesta´s control but not eno..."I agree with you too! I will be interesting to see how Sarah J Maas develops Elain's character. To me, she's always been in Nesta's shadow since she let her fight her own battles. I also think that Nesta's a freaking coward because of what she let Feyre do! Sure, she says she's sorry . . . but what has she done to make things right? Accuse her sister of being above them because she cringed at the food. Like, wtf. She needs to calm herself down.
fabricofbooks wrote: "That Feyre, Elain and Nesta are decendants from Miryam and Drakon. Her father is on another continent for "business". Sounds suspicious to me!"Now that would be an interesting twist.
Huh, if Feyre is a descendant of a faerie, does that make her a mortal then? Say in ACOTAR, if she did admit she loved Tamlin before the 49 years were up, would the curse be broken or would it not count her as fully mortal?
Interesting. Perhaps the reason his father is in the other continent is because he´s getting weapons or whatever in a war against Prythian
And to me, the inner traitor doesn´t fit The closest to it is Mor´s father... but he´s not that cunning.
Yeah I mean the Inner circle has SEEN what Rhys can do & it isn't pretty, I don't think they'd risk it. Mor's father is a great example of how ruthless Rhys is & all he did was just insult Feyre.
Amren as a dragon? That would be amazing. But I feel like she's something a bit more sinister, like... A demon.
That would explain why she join the "dark" side. A higher Fae maybe! From before (the more primal times)
Just saying, I don't see how Elain (or any of the squad members) could be a traitor. Rhys can read minds. He could read their mind if they were acting up. But if they do have a shield in place? That could be difficult. If anyone was to play up it would be Elain though. She does have the most incentive (what with Lucien an Nesta always protecting her, fae hunting). Another thing, maybe Rhys trusts everyone too much? That could be the downfall. Maybe it's just hope that it doesn't happen? I don't know how I feel about Lucien and Elain though. I think that Feyre will blackmail Lucien into not following Tamlin's orders. She will threaten to never let Lucien near her. That much was clear I think. I like the idea of Hephaestus an Aphrodite. That's cool.
But Nesta and Cassian HAVE TO BE MATES!!! They just have to be. I don't think I could handle it if they didn't even get together. Even if they aren't mates, they still have a building romance. AND THAT SHORT STORY AT THE END!!!!!! *hyperventilates* yeah so that was pretty cool. Also Nesta has some awesome power.
And Mab and Azreil. I don't know what to think. They couldn't be mates after spending so long together and not realizing it? But that did happen with Feyre and Ryse. But Feyre was getting over Tamlin.
BTW Tamlin is going to die. A whole 'I'm gunna sacrifice myself for you,' because he is going to redeem himself.
Another thing: how is this all going to be tied up in neat little knots like I want it to, in one fucking book? How? How!!! Also the peeps on the island are going to make an appearance. I think they will play a big role.
THE WALL IS COMING DOWN. Fae and humans will live harmoniously like on the little peace island! This will have to happen. I don't see how the plot can be resolved without the wall coming down.
Can't wait for the last book!!! It's too far away!!
Jess wrote: "Just saying, I don't see how Elain (or any of the squad members) could be a traitor. Rhys can read minds. He could read their mind if they were acting up. But if they do have a shield in place? Tha..."I'm not 100% sure i agree with you when you say Rhys trusts everyone too much... I think he only trusts his inner circle. He does even have restrictions against even them when it comes to entering his homes. They have proven themselves trustworthy to him many times over the many centuries they've had together. It really burns me up when people talk of Mor being a traitor. That would be the lowliest thing after Rhys/Cassian risked pretty much everything to rescue her from the Court of Nightmares.
Also, I know how you feel about everything being concluded in just one book after shit just hit the fan with this one. Maybe it'll be like 800 pages and we won't have to worry that much then! ::prays that this is the case::
Rachel wrote: "Jess wrote: "Just saying, I don't see how Elain (or any of the squad members) could be a traitor. Rhys can read minds. He could read their mind if they were acting up. But if they do have a shield ..."With each passing book, Maas keeps making them bigger! So maybe we'll get a 900 page book? That would be awesome!
I hoping she'll introduce another series with these characters. Maybe an 'after Hybern falls' type thing. The wall is down, human and fae are struggling to coexist. Pockets of both rebellious fae and humans fighting, etc.
A spin off series would be cool. But I mean, any book from Maas would be awesome
I just don´t know what the hell to do with my life when ACOTAR and ToG series finish! I want to beg Sarah for a new serie. I was thinking that may be the ToG series will have a momentary happy -til Meave allows it- after and the next serie could be after a few centuries or decades with Aelin and Rowan´s offspring. Or... an "After the wall falls down" in ACOTAR. Don´t know... she has to do something or I (and I´m sure the rest of the fandom) will die! I mean, come on, if Cassandra Clare does it, why doesn´t Sarah do it? The woman has announced 2 series more and may be another book about Magnus!
She has like three more series in the making. You can find the titles for them on her goodreads page
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...This entire series of books from the DC Universe seems promising. Fantastic line-up of authors, though I'm more of a Marvel fan.
Oh! Yeah! It should be good! And yeah, I'm torn between supporting one of my favorite authors and supporting marvel :)
I´m a huge marvel fan, and TBH the only characters from DC comics I like has always been Batman, Catwoman and the Joker. Perhaps a bit Wonder Woman and Harley Quinn, but Sarah´s gonna write about Catwoman, so it´s gonna be a Must in my To-Read list
I am trying to figure out how the King of Hybern knew where Velaris was. Rhys only showed them images of it. So how could they break the wards and attack? Was it because as they knew it existed they were able to break the wards? But if not, who betrayed them?
I am trying to figure out how the King of Hybern knew where Velaris was. Rhys only showed them images of it. So how could they break the wards and attack? Was it because as they knew it existed they were able to break the wards? But if not, who betrayed them?
I suspect they found it the same way they were able to track Rhys' magic. The Veritas just confirmed its existence.
Jess wrote: "I am trying to figure out how the King of Hybern knew where Velaris was. Rhys only showed them images of it. So how could they break the wards and attack? Was it because as they knew it existed the..."Rhys showed the queens Velaris and then the queens betrayed him and told the king. And they did only have images, but I'm sure it was enough to be able to overtake the city (the King is very powerful)
Beela wrote: "Maas or Clare?"
Maas. Without a doubt, Maas.
Maas. Without a doubt, Maas.
I was thinking about Lucien and his actions in the books. Being bound to Elaine, I think he may have realized that a mating bond can't be broken. That could be why he seemed skeptical of Feyre at the end. Just couldn't say anything in front of Tamlin.
Yes!!! That is a good point! I also think that Feyre not screaming and crying when Rhys took her sisters (when she apparently "hates" him) caused Lucien to be skeptical.
True. I think that Tamlin will try to sleep with Feyre and she will pass it off as 'I'm not ready yet', but eventually Tamlin will get pissed (cause he is a dick) and might see though her...
Then Feyre can kick his butt into next year
I want her to lock him in the house like he did to her. Watch him go ape shit. "Turn about is fair play. "
Title Book 3: A Court of Ash and DustFeyre:
I'm really interested in seeing how she interacts with Ianthe. I hope SJM gives Feyre the satisfaction of revenge. I'm wondering too if Ianthe ends up being Tamlins mate (thus the reason why he keeps her around) and Feyre uses that knowledge to her advantage (especially during Calanmai)
I'm assuming there will be a scene where we find Rhys mother and sisters wings??? I'm thinking since we haven't seen them yet that they are in Tamlin's bedroom. That I think would be the turning point for Feyre being at the Spring Court. If the wings are there I have a feeling she will have her chance to take them down and winnow back to her and Rhys town house to give them back and also have a moment to console and mourn with Rhys and her family. And Tamlin at some point is going to feel Feyre's wrath!
Nesta:
Is Cassians mate. More character development regarding her past and if she's the one who gets to kill the King in the end.
Elain:
I think she'll end up at the Spring court just so we can get her in her own element without Nesta and too to see her relationship with Feyre again without Nesta around AND to get to know her mate. Tamlin Lucien Feyre and Elain make a trip to the Autumn court (she gets to meet the family)...
Lucien:
Picks the winning team (team F&R) becomes High Lord of Autumn after team F&R take his brothers and father down and makes Elain his High Lady :) keeping with the trend!!!
Calanmai:
Only two females to choose from that night: Feyre and Ianthe. Instincts has him choosing his mate (if Ianthe is his mate) but he would prefer Feyre; otherwise Feyre uses her power to force Tamlin to choose Ianthe either way it's a win win situation then she spends the night with Rhys to regenerate!!!
Suriel:
I think Feyre is going to snare her friend one last time or maybe she'll just call for him and he'll come. There are a great deal of questions to ask but I'm interested in her finding out who Tamlins mate is and how to defeat the King.
AND I'm hoping this book is 1,000 pages of SJM goodness!!!!!
Is anyone wondering what Nesta's 'different powers' might be?
