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Invision (CoN #7)
Marie wrote: "I also remember her being referred to as a "wind spirit"
And yeah, she was imprisoned in the grimoire by a Malachai. Nick freed her in Instinct by bleeding on it a lot"
Yeah he freed her because he thought that he was dying and didn't he know that was how to free her?
And yeah, she was imprisoned in the grimoire by a Malachai. Nick freed her in Instinct by bleeding on it a lot"
Yeah he freed her because he thought that he was dying and didn't he know that was how to free her?
He thought it might but he wasn't sure. Since he was about to die anyway, he took a chance.
I think I brought this up before but on page 336 when it's talking about the woman fighting Nick's son after Nick got killed. Nick said that before he could see Kody's face in the vision but the face changed to one that was unfamiliar to him (older and scarred).
I want to know if I'm the only one that think's that was Kody, in her original body... Becuase isn't the body she's in wasn't her real one. So what if that one (the one she's in now) is what she looked like during her teenage years...
I want to know if I'm the only one that think's that was Kody, in her original body... Becuase isn't the body she's in wasn't her real one. So what if that one (the one she's in now) is what she looked like during her teenage years...
Can someone tell me where Xev is mentioned in The Guardian? according to his character bit on the AG's website we should look for him in there but I can't remember reading his name in it at all?Anyone care to enlighten me?
Neona, I think it was in Illusion Kody showed Karma her true Arel form and then, in her POV, she said something about returning to what she called "her original teenage body" when she was done. So I think her current look is what she looked like as a teenager. But, even scarred and older, I would like to think that Nick would recognize her. What is annoying about that scene is that there is absolutely NO description aside from "older and scarred". Which makes me think that whoever that woman is, Nick might not know her yet, but we would probably recognize her if she'd been described further. SK just didn't want to give that away yet. Adam, I also can't find any mention of Xev, which makes me think one of the characters must have made a vague comment about him without identifying him. However, I haven't found that vague comment either.
Adam wrote: "Can someone tell me where Xev is mentioned in The Guardian? according to his character bit on the AG's website we should look for him in there but I can't remember reading his name in it at all?A..."
SK has stated that sometimes a character will appear on the character list simply because there is important information pertaining to them. And SK has also stated that she has plans for Xev, which means that she has a story in mind for him (if he doesn't die). =)
Considering that Xev's father and cousin feature prominently in the book, I'd say that was pertinent information. =)
There is also a comment in the book, that could potentially apply to either Jared or Xev:
(view spoiler)
(Although I'm more inclined to think that the comment applies to Jared.)
I just realized something. Back when Nick first found out that Ambrose was his future self, Ambrose told him he was centuries old. By that point, the end of the world hadn't yet started in his time, because he was still sane and trying to prevent it. But in Invision, in Nick and Xev's little trip forward in time, they met Marissa. Marissa is Kyrian and Amanda's daughter right ? She'd be human, not immortal, unless I'm missing something. If Ambrose, who is centuries old, is still living in a non-apocalyptic world, then there is no way Marissa could be there at the end of world since she couldn't possibly live long enough to see it.
marissa was made immortal as well as amanda and kyrian . also tabitha and valerius. its also safe to say their children brcome immortal as well
it happened on seize the night. since marissa and little NJ are Ash's god children. it is obvious he would not let them die from old age
Actually, I checked and here is what I found on the subject:"All any of you need to know is that Amanda and Kyrian are now immortal. No one will ever be able to kill them again.”...Ash looked to Kyrian. “I promised I wouldn’t let you die and I am bound by my oath.”
I haven't found that promise, so I guess wether it applies to Tabitha, Valerius, Marissa and NJ depends on who he was talking to/about when he first made it. If we can find out, then we'll know. But there's still something else to consider: his exact wording when he made that promise. If his promise was really that he wouldn't "le them die", then making sure they can't die of old age is a part of the deal. But if he said that no one would ever kill them, then they could still age and die on their own (or by accident I guess).
It would make more sense for Ash to promise they would never be killed, since that would grant them the peace they deserve as a family without altering fate and the course of history by making them permanently immortal. I don't think Ash, as careful as he is to not alter fate, would grant immortality that easily.
so her being young un the future would make sense. ash is keeping his promise
Marie wrote: "Actually, I checked and here is what I found on the subject:"All any of you need to know is that Amanda and Kyrian are now immortal. No one will ever be able to kill them again.”...Ash looked to ..."
If you go to the scene where Kyrian is in a panic about being mortal, you'll find the following exchanges (starting at 71% on Kindle):
"You're not going to die, Kyrian." --Ash
"How do you know?" --Kyrian
"I won't let you." --Ash
A few paragraphs later:
"Amanda's pregnant again." --Kyrian
"Congratulations." --Ash
"Thanks. I'm trying to get my will in order, just in case." --Kyrian
"You're not going to die, Kyrian." --Ash
Granted, the words "I promise" aren't seen in the above exchanges, but the way Ash--a god of fate--flatly states that Kyrian isn't going to die, is as good as an oath.
And you're right, Ash generally doesn't grant immortality that easily. In fact, I believe Kyrian is the only former Dark-Hunter that he grants immortality to, and that's because of Marissa. =)
Ash grants Kyrian and Amanda immortality because of Marissa so its a given that he's also made Marissa immortal and NJ for that matter. Valerius was made immortal by Astrid and Zarek with Necter at his wedding due to Tabby being made immortal by Ash, he didn't think it would be fair to make one twin immortal without the other.
When does no. 8 come out?
Hopefully Sherri takes some more time to flesh it out. I felt there were some things that weren't explained well (like Xev's connection to Jared) in this book. Fingers crossed ^.^
I see what you mean. Like, if Xev (view spoiler) But the thing that confused me the most is Jaden's explaination (view spoiler)
:P Given that (view spoiler) exists I think it's a fair assumption that more than a kiss happened. I don't think it will be in the Chronicles of Nick books though. They're YA and I think geared more for children aged 13+. It could be that Cyprian was conceived like Jeros, but Nick saw himself fighting Cyp in the distant future. Laguerre does seem to like le drugs though...
Michael wrote: ":P Given that [spoilers removed] exists I think it's a fair assumption that more than a kiss happened. I don't think it will be in the Chronicles of Nick books though. They're YA and I think geared..."(view spoiler)I want to know what events led up to him being apparently free enough to wander around and hook up with Myone in secret. (view spoiler)
I guess, at some point after the flashback we saw, he must have become a trusted soldier for light (and impregnated Myone). Then (view spoiler)
About Cyprian, I'm thinking if he was made like Jeros, or Bathymaas, maybe the whole "rising out of bloody remains" part isn't essential. Like, maybe Nick doesn't have to die. Just be, like, brutally maimed or something. If Nick was brutally attacked and bleeding all over the place, maybe he could conjure a son out of his pain and blood.
That would work with the family motto of "from violence, to violence, to end violently", without originating in rape.
Could be. Nick is always getting himself into trouble (that rascal). Maybe that explain why there's been so *many* Malachais. They inherit the memories of their predecessors, so it's strange that one of them in the past haven't used any protection. It seems that if your offspring if definitely going to off you, maybe you need to stop having offspring ;)
In all the torture each of them has been through, I have a hard time believing that no one ever tried castrating them. I think they can heal from almost anything.
*shifts uncomfortably* Castrating seems like a bit of an extreme form of birth control. Even if you heal from it. On an unrelated note, how does their healing factor compare to other supernatural entities like gods, etc.?
who is cyprian?
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "who is cyprian?"Nicks son from the Distant Future (as far as we know).
who is the mother?
Laguerre claims him but I'm not sure if she adopted him or is his biological mother.
laguerre probably tricked him by pretending to be kody
oh wait that is ambrose timeline
Michael wrote: "*shifts uncomfortably* Castrating seems like a bit of an extreme form of birth control. Even if you heal from it. On an unrelated note, how does their healing factor compare to other supernatural..."
About the healing: When an Arel was getting ready to stab Nick through the heart, Caleb said that wouldn't destroy him. (Although most of Nick's power is apparently tied to his body and his heart). So he can't heal from everything, but that doesn't mean his wounds, as grave as they could be, would actually kill him. (Personnally, I think being "Conquest" means he can't die unless he choses to on some level. All Malachai before him would have "let" themselves die by "allowing" their heir to grow more powerful)
to continue the whole "protecting oneself against power-stealing heirs" discussion: Castration would be the most effective protection against it. And, even though they all conceived a heir through rape, I think at least some of them must have used some form of protection. I don't think they compared to modern prophylactics. I think the reason for the lack of more...extreme mesures is part pure arrogance, part self-loathing. They probably all imagined themselves to be impossible to defeat. And maybe they thought that if someone was born strong enough to kill them, then they were weak and deserved to die. (Could also be about preserving the species and a "survival of the fittest" mentality that made them want to make their lineage stronger by dying)
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "oh wait that is ambrose timeline"Not necessarily. At this point, we don't know if Cyprian was always the one to end the world, or if interferences in the past led to his conception and a new future.
Basically, if Cyprian was always there, then Ambrose is seeing a Malachai destroy the world in visions and assumes he's the one doing it because he doesn't know about Cyprian.
So one of 2 scenarios:1. Cyprian didn't exist until Ambrose changed the timeline, which means that the Ambrose Malachai ends the word. World = Screwed
2. Cyprian *did* exist and orchestrated everything so that everyone believed that the Ambrose Malachai ended the world. World = Screwed.
I just don't see how this can end well :(
Michael wrote: "So one of 2 scenarios:
1. Cyprian didn't exist until Ambrose changed the timeline, which means that the Ambrose Malachai ends the word. World = Screwed
2. Cyprian *did* exist and orchestrated eve..."
Nick could have another son that will kill Cyprian before Cyprian ends the world.
1. Cyprian didn't exist until Ambrose changed the timeline, which means that the Ambrose Malachai ends the word. World = Screwed
2. Cyprian *did* exist and orchestrated eve..."
Nick could have another son that will kill Cyprian before Cyprian ends the world.
Or maybe having a daughter changes things. There's been no mention of any previous Malachai having a daughter.
My actual fanfic headcanon (MY PREDICTION, FYI) is that Laquerre in some way got pregnant from Nick whether from dreams, drugged rape or whatever. Then she could have given birth to triplets. Charity, Cyprian, and another boy. Thus the two boys are identical and look exactly like Nick. In my theory Cyprian is the runt that is almost always sick like his body wants him dead. Because of that he's not meant to get the Malachai powers. Instead his brother is. So maybe the brother meant to have the powers had Nick's heart of gold and all that goodness and so he felt sorry for his sibling and decided to use his powers to switch bodies with him for fun and to give him a reprieve from always being sick. But then Cyprian had been wanting to get his brother's body all along since he's evil, but he never let his other two siblings know that (since it would of course ruin his master plan).
So after Cyprian is in his brothers body he takes his chance and kills his brother when he's in Cyprian's own body. Thus now Cyprian has the better-working body (plus since a Malachai's power can be drawn from and held in Malachai blood and body parts) he also has his brother's powers since he 'absorbed' him.
Charity finds out about her brother's death by either watching it happen or hearing about it. She then decided to hate Cyprian since he was so nasty, horrible, and selfish of a brother to have killed the sibling that they both shared. So Charity turned to or always was-on the side of good.
SO YEAH that's my theory and my predication of what will happen. So no this isn't canon at all. Just my wacky, rambling thoughts! ;)
Maybe Cyprian is the dark part of nick separated from the good part? Like the good DH/Sephiroth part and the bad Malachai part seperated and became 2 different being a la Ambrose and Cyprian?just a thought
Could be... That's an interesting idea Adam
I'd like to see how that would happen, but at the same time I'd be disappointed if it did. A big element of Nick's story seems to be about him learning to accept who and what he is, and not letting it dictate the way he lives his life. I'd rather see him remain an powerful and somewhat unstable commander of evil, that decides to use his powers for good, rather than have him conveniently break away from the parts of himself that he doesn't like. It's too easy and I'm invested in his whole "defy destiny" thing now.
It hasn't got anything to do with him having parts of himself he doesn't like, he's in constant internal conflict. his human/Sephiropth/DH halves will be battling with his Malachai half. A split wouldn't have anything to do with Nick consciously, it'd happen because it needs to. I'm sure there's something about a prophecy that involves Nick and his brother but what if that isn't Madoc? What if its Cyprian? He calls Nick Father but what if its a metaphorical sense? Its just a theory but it is plausible.
I'm not saying it couldn't. I've wondered if there was a way for Nick to somehow rid himself of his violent impulses and attraction to evil, precisely because of the conflicting natures you mentioned. But at this point in the story, I'd rather see Nick accept his darker side and rise above it, rather than rid himself of it completely. We all have a darker side and are capable of doing things we're ashamed of. Having that darker side, and not succombing to it, is part of what makes us who we are. Are you really a good person, if you're never tempted to be bad? This might be getting a little too philosophical, but I'm just saying that I personally hope the author doesn't go that route.I DO think there is something to you're theory though. I don't think his Malachai half will seperate, but I think having another Malachai around might lessen the burden. Like he won't be the only one bearing the load of the whole world's evil, which will help him stay in control. It's not that his evil impulses will go away, but they will lessen in intensity. Until, presumebly, Nick gets his heart back and is barely tempted anymore, which means Cyprian, or whoever the other Malachai is, succombs to his share of evil peer pressure (Because, balance). Maybe. it's a theory.
I think the balance is completely, irrevocably broken. Chaining Jared up and enslaving him might not have been the best idea :P
Yeah, that was dumb. What could go wrong with alienating your last soldier capable of killing the Malachai? And then keep him locked up so he can't pass along his powers through generations (like the Malachai) so it grows over time and compensate for the Malachai's growing power? And handing him over to (view spoiler) who loathes mankind? And let's not even mention what the Kalosum did to Xev, using him as the key to their enemies' prison and then putting him in service to the commander of their enemies' evil forces. I hope there is some master plan behind all this because Source Gods are starting to look reaaally dumb.
Which makes me wonder what they mean by the Source. Is it like the Kalosum being agents of the Source who cursed him, or did the Source itself curse him?
Michael wrote: "Which makes me wonder what they mean by the Source. Is it like the Kalosum being agents of the Source who cursed him, or did the Source itself curse him?"Xev you mean? I wonder about that too because I thought it would be the Kalosum or even just Jaden, but part of his curse is that his hair was 6 different colors, corresponding to the 6 Source Gods. Which implies that they were all involved in the cursing, right?
I'm also not entirely sure of how the peace happened. I mean, they had to make peace because of the Chthonians. But a bunch of stuff happened around that time period and we don't know the order: Jared made a deal with the Mavromino and killed his people, Monakribos made a deal with the Kalosum and killed his people (and died), Jaden got enslaved to Noir, Azura and Noir got locked up with Xev's blood at some point, Xev supposedly "betrayed his army" and got his family killed which got HIM cursed, Caleb storms his father's office and says Jaden has doomed them all (da-da-da-DUMMM!!!), Braith was around somewhere apparently being huffy about the Malachai turning his back on her, Myone had Jared sometime after Xev was captured but before he was cursed (which is confusing since I know she's the one they sent to bring him in for his punishment, but I assumed she got killed in the same attack he's accused of orchestrating which is the reason for his curse)...
I don't thing "the Source" itself generally gets involved in that sort of thing. But we really don't know much about the circumstances in which the Source will directly interfere in the lives of people. I guess Tiamat and Chronus, or Zenobi, are the more human forms it takes to do it, but I'm not sure what they DO.
Is Jaden Verlyn?
Yep. The Verlyn is a form that Jaden can assume.
is jared Jaden 's son?
And yeah, she was imprisoned in the grimoire by a Malachai. Nick freed her in Instinct by bleeding on it a lot