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message 51: by John (new)

John Nash | 2 comments I came here to discuss philosophy in a Christian sphere. I got my graduate degree in philosophy and became a Christian a few years ago. I’ve found that a lot of Christian’s that I talk to are prone to make caricatures of any philosophical position that is not some form of evangelical, American theological dogma.

I found people to be more gracious at my secular university than at the bible college I went to as well which I found really hard. So hopefully the tone here is a bit more forgiving. Always keen to discuss works with people.

How did you guys find Bavinck’s theology?


message 52: by Robert (new)

Robert Core | 1864 comments John - alas, I feel you will find this a contentious group thoroughly ensconced in their own corners. We have fun debating and playfully poking at one another's perceived weak points, but no minds are ever changed.


message 53: by Eric C 1965 (new)

Eric C 1965 | 12 comments Hello John. I'm new here too. I have no graduate degree and my undergrad degree is in chemistry. But I love reading philosophy and apologetics and would welcome discussing books or topics with you and others. I have never read Bavinck. Theologians I have read include Hodge, Grudem, Erickson, Edwards, Duffield/VanCleve, and Bloesch. I have also read works by philosophers like Craig, Geisler, Turek, Sproul, McGrath, Plantinga, and P. Fernandes. Presently I'm reading Nancey Pearcy's "Love Thy Body" and am starting Clouser's "Myth of Religious Neutrality".
I have read much about Bavinck in other works but please refresh my memory. What did you think of his work?


message 54: by Robert (new)

Robert Dallmann (robert_dallmann) | 1605 comments My question...

If the Bible says one thing and science or philosophy says something different...

...Which one is right?


message 55: by John (new)

John Nash | 2 comments I found Bavinck to be a phenomenal thinker and writer (in translation). What he does that I really like is balancing his rich reformed dogmatics with the contmporary(ish) liberal theology from schleiermacher’s ‘Christian Faith’. Seeing reformed people engage with alternate positions with a goal other than trying to argue them into silence is amazing in itself. He is a solidly reformed voice who is both gentle and conscious about answering contemporary questions. His first volume is a bit too dense for most just because of his immense acquaintance with the canon of western literature. His bibliography for volume one is almost 120 pages if I recall correctly! You should look into sphere sovereignty - an idea he really championed.

What philosophy are you interested in? Metaphysics was my focus — mainly early modern guys like Hume and Descartes, but I spent a fair bit of my university days in the existentialists.


message 56: by Rod (new)

Rod Horncastle Welcome. Please start some chats. I'll be sure to comment.


message 57: by Rick (new)

Rick Sam (gottfried_leibniz) Why am I here? I meet other like-minded people to talk about books.


message 58: by Adam (new)

Adam Meade | 24 comments In short, I'm here to learn. I have a lot of opinions, but one of the most fundamental changes that was affected in me when I came to Christ was that I no longer felt the need to be "right" concerning matters of speculation. Most here have a better and more broad knowledge of scripture than I, so I tend to read a lot more than I post.


message 59: by Robert (new)

Robert Dallmann (robert_dallmann) | 1605 comments Adam wrote: "In short, I'm here to learn. I have a lot of opinions, but one of the most fundamental changes that was affected in me when I came to Christ was that I no longer felt the need to be "right" concern..."

Welcome aboard Adam.

As for "being right"... in this group there is one source for that... the Bible!


message 60: by Adam (new)

Adam Meade | 24 comments John - Would you mind expounding on the reasoning that brought you to Christ? I love hearing peoples' stories!


message 61: by Robert (new)

Robert Core | 1864 comments Folks - one of the reasons I'm here is too keep current on the latest trends in USEING religion and the Bible to justify our members' sins and biases. We have some very creative demagogues on this board who are absolutely sure God vouchsafes his will ONLY to them.


message 62: by Robert (new)

Robert Dallmann (robert_dallmann) | 1605 comments Robert wrote: "Folks - one of the reasons I'm here is too keep current on the latest trends in USEING religion and the Bible to justify our members' sins and biases. We have some very creative demagogues on this board who are absolutely sure God vouchsafes his will ONLY to them. ..."

Like you! You REJECT the CLEAR Word of God and then TELL US what God really meant to say.


message 63: by Tom (new)

Tom Rothbauer | 36 comments Hi Adam. You might try a new book, We Should Be One: United in the Word of God.


message 64: by Tom (new)

Tom Rothbauer | 36 comments Thank you, Steve.


message 65: by Tom (new)

Tom Rothbauer | 36 comments Jon wrote: "Hello, I am here because I simply enjoy theological and philosophical and if possible historical discussion. I’ll talk with anyone, anywhere, anytime. Not because I arrogantly think I can defeat an..."

Thank you John. I appreciate your attitude. You might like a new book that shares that attitude, We Should Be One: United in the Word of God. You can check it out at www.weshouldbeone.com.


message 66: by Tom (new)

Tom Rothbauer | 36 comments Annette wrote: "I'm here because I love to dive deeper and deeper into the word of God and learn from the experience of others. Unfortunately, there is so much head-whacking going on, that I got tired of it. I wou..."

Me too. Check out a new book, We Should Be One: United in the Word of God. A preview is available on www.weshouldbeone.com.


message 67: by Robert (new)

Robert Dallmann (robert_dallmann) | 1605 comments Tom wrote: "Hi Adam. You might try a new book, We Should Be One: United in the Word of God."

Unfortunately Tom takes a very broad and ungodly definition of the "Word of God". From previous posts Tom includes the Koran, Buddhist texts and other "books" as the Word of God...

Whereas the Bible claims exclusivity as Jesus being THE ONLY WAY of salvation.


message 68: by Robert (new)

Robert Dallmann (robert_dallmann) | 1605 comments John 14:6 - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

END OF THE STORY (if you are interested in the TRUTH)


message 69: by Miguel (new)

Miguel Cisneros Saucedo  (miguelcisnerossaucedo) I join this group because of the religious censorship of my family, my secular university, and my whole country in general...


message 70: by Robert (new)

Robert Dallmann (robert_dallmann) | 1605 comments Hans wrote: "Here in the hope to find some reading challenges, like "book of the month" or so, chosen by it's members"

God bless and let's see if we can get something like that going.


message 71: by Robert (new)

Robert Dallmann (robert_dallmann) | 1605 comments Angel wrote: "I join this group because of the religious censorship of my family, my secular university, and my whole country in general..."

God bless and post any questions or discussions in any of the appropriate threads.


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