Career of Evil
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Speculate: How long before Robin and Matthew get a divorce?
Rachel wrote: "I didn't understand the whole Sarah Shadlock thing. For how long the book was, I needed more detail about what exactly happened there. She told her mother it was over 18 months? That's not really a..."EXACTLY! I agree completely Rachel! There's no way they've stopped....I really hope Strike's and Robin's PI skills go to work on Matthew lol. 18 months and none of her friends noticed or said anything to her? I mean, she did go thru a traumatic attack, so maybe they wouldn't want to add any more stress to her.
I couldn't believe she went through with the wedding either. I guess she just wanted something that she knew, even though she'd been upset with him before she even found out about the cheating. Ugh..yuck. And they still invited Sarah to the wedding!
I also remembered the red roses that Robin was sent at the office. I wonder if they were from Matthew or Donnie? The card was never read! I kept waiting for a body part to fall out of the vase when they got knocked over!
Does anyone know when book 4 is coming out? I hope it's soon! I cannot wait to see what happens at the wedding!
I can't wait for a time when Robin wears the green dress that Strike bought her....Ohhhh....he'll love/hate that! Depending on where they are in their relationship! Lol. I seriously cannot wait for the next book.
Rachel wrote: "I didn't understand the whole Sarah Shadlock thing. For how long the book was, I needed more detail about what exactly happened there. She told her mother it was over 18 months? That's not really a..." You make a good point about Matthew's cheating. I didn't really think about it because I wanted to think that Matthew could grow up, but all things considered, it doesn't really seem likely that he stopped cheating.
I still think, though, that Robin didn't have enough time to decide whether she wanted to go through with the wedding or not. Even considering what she learned about Matthew and how much stronger she got during this book, breaking off a relationship that has been going on for such a long time would not be easy. Her and Matthew have a long history together.
I think the reason that Matthew doesn't like Robin's job is because it doesn't fit with the perfect scenario he has in his mind about what he wants his life to be like. If so, that doesn't bode well for the relationship either.
Katy wrote: "Rachel wrote: "I didn't understand the whole Sarah Shadlock thing. For how long the book was, I needed more detail about what exactly happened there. She told her mother it was over 18 months? That..."Since the begining it was clear that Matthew expected to have a good life in London, a good job, more money, a nice car and proposed to her to have also a wife so far all was perfect for him! But as Robin accepted to work in a job with no good incomes he started to realize that things doesn't go as he planned and was angry about it! I think what Matthew needs is a rich woman who can offer him the things he wants because I don't think love is good enough for him!
As time got by he also started to notice that Robin is changing too and I think he is mentioning that in book 2, he liked that Robin was always calm and was the first to back off from an argument but she doesn't do that anymore and for that he also blames her work so that doesn't make him happy either!
He might refere to Strike as "ugly" but he fears him, not for his good looks but for something more important, Strike can be gross sometimes but he is more of a man that Matthew could ever be! In book 3 Matthew's behavour seems to be of a 10 year old spoiled child! I personally wasn't touched by his atempts to make Robin to forgive him! I think it was more a matter of his ego than a matter of love! He couldn't be the one to be left weeks before the wedding!
And since he is a cheater he clearly fears that "what goes around comes around!" And about that I still can't understand how Robin manage to overcome not the fact of the cheating itself but the fact that he repidedly hummiliated her by keeping this woman in his life and in Robin's life as well!
I don't know if he is still cheating on her but it would be an interesting storyline for book 4 like, after Robin learns about the deleted calls and voicemail she is trying to figure out what she is going to do with her marriage ( if at the end they end up married) and the new case has something to do with Matthew's work enviroment and so she and Cormoran must invastigate about him also and they find out that he is seeing another woman or the same old Sarah!
I would love to see the build up towards a Cormin relationship, but I would want it to go in the beautiful pace JKR has paved. This book has kept me on my edge both because of the case and the developments in Cormin relationship. I was so disappointed when Robin took Matt back, this guy is beneath her and is right to think that she deserves better than him. I was hoping till the last that she wouldn't go with the marriage and that cliffhanger nearly killed me. I loved how it seemed like Robin was actually making the vow of 'for better, for worse, in sickness and in health' to Strike, rather then to Matt, because she was looking at Strike while she said 'I do'.
And reg Sarah Shadlock, 18 months of sleeping with her...what a douche, I hope for Robin that he's not cheating on her still, but I hope she dumps him asap. She needs to be alone for a while, to continue to grow, to become stronger and confident, and then get with Strike at some point :)
Lily wrote: "I would love to see the build up towards a Cormin relationship, but I would want it to go in the beautiful pace JKR has paved. This book has kept me on my edge both because of the case and the deve..."I really like your opinion and totaly agree with you! I hope she finds out what Matthew did und dumps him, spends some time alone in order to find what she really wants and to discover more about who she really is and in the meantime and in slow pace a relationship between her and Strike will be formed!
Dee wrote: "i don't think they got hitched...not so much for Cormoran, but because Matthew is a douchecanoe"I agree. Doesn't matter to me if Cormoran and Robin don't get together. I despise Mathew with a passion.
♑Namita♑ wrote: "Dee wrote: "i don't think they got hitched...not so much for Cormoran, but because Matthew is a douchecanoe"I agree. Doesn't matter to me if Cormoran and Robin don't get together. I despise Mathe..."
I hope you are both right and they didn't got married!
I think that she and matthew will have a rocky relationship, when she finds out abt the voicemail all the trust she built up again will go. I rllt wanna see some #cormin in book 4
Sanjana wrote: "I think that she and matthew will have a rocky relationship, when she finds out abt the voicemail all the trust she built up again will go. I rllt wanna see some #cormin in book 4"I wanna see their marriage blow apart, I don't wanna be mean, but I just hate Matthew! I hope you're right and she finds out about the voicemail. On the other hand, I wouldn't wanna see Cormin, it would be weird. I love to see them as partners in crime, as best friends. I was so disappointed at Robin for marrying Matthew, she made the easy decision. Anyway, can't wait for book 4!
I completely agree that if the marriage did take place (I hope that it didn't, although it appears that it did--even though Strike kept saying there was "still time" throughout the book)--then a divorce can't come soon enough between Robin and Matthew. However, I just want to say something about the many who seem to think it's not a good idea that with Matthew out of the way, that Cormoran and Robin should become a couple but rather they should just stay platonic. I completely disagree with that. I realize some believe that becoming a couple will ruin the rest of their professional relationship. I really don’t understand that pervasive opinion that so many people seem to have in any type of on going series romance. It should not be a given that romance has to die when the initial courtship is over. It should be possible to have a mature relationship even after that—and I think JKR will be just the one to portray this too little explored territory (i.e., post-courtship romance ). Rowling has stated that she wants this series to be a Nick and Nora [Charles] type of mystery series. A lot of people may not know what that refers to but “Nick and Nora” was a very successful movie series (1934-1941)—about a married couple that solved crimes. They were also two very sharp and witty people who happened to be married and solved mysteries as a shared adventure. I actually will be very put out if we have all this good chemistry she has built up over the span of three novels (so far) and then the two of them are just left as two lone souls to go through the rest of their lives afraid to take the next step because it will somehow kill the romantic tension. As a final personal observation: When I saw who JKR chose as the actors for her series (since she is an executive producer and has final say on who is cast)--It removed any doubt I had that this is indeed the way she is going with the series). Just my opinion. I think we may have to wait to Sept. or Oct. before we know the answer--she just mentioned that Book 4 is well along--which is both good but not real helpful on knowing the actual amount finished. I would think it would take about 6 months from when she finishes until it's published. She will definitely have it out just before the TV series premiere's in late fall (if everything keeps to schedule).
I loved Career of Evil, but was a bit baffled by the ending. I wondered if any one else had spotted that Robin says 'I do', when actually in a Church of England ceremony, you should say 'I will'. I am not sure if this was a deliberate mistake to indicate Robin and Matthew are not married or if it was just a simple mistake. Any ideas?
Elaine wrote: "I loved Career of Evil, but was a bit baffled by the ending. I wondered if any one else had spotted that Robin says 'I do', when actually in a Church of England ceremony, you should say 'I will'. I..."Wow I didn't know that piece of it! It's a possibility. There was definitely something hinky about the wedding. Can't wait to find out.
Any news on book four? Can't wait to see what happened! :)
Marc wrote: "Eventually she will find out he deleted Strike's message and all hell will break loose"That's exactly what I think. How can she stay with someone she can't trust and who won't let her be who she wants to be?
(I have to keep reminding myself these are not real people. :-) )
Honestly, I'm rooting for Matthew and Robin. It's clear that Matthew's got some issues and Robin probably deserves better, but I'd much rather Robin knock some more sense into him than suddenly overlook Strike's character flaws, because hell if those don't exist as well.I have never understood the appeal of a Robin and Strike relationship and I'd hate it if they got together. The young-and-attractive-woman and unattractive-beaten-older-man trope is one I'm not really fond of at all, and Strike's total lack of consideration for the women he dates is not a testament to his good character.
I know they're probably going to get together, but hell if I don't just absolutely hate the idea.
Lo wrote: "Honestly, I'm rooting for Matthew and Robin. It's clear that Matthew's got some issues and Robin probably deserves better, but I'd much rather Robin knock some more sense into him than suddenly ove..."That's a shame because you should be rooting for Robin to break free from Matthew regardless of what will happen in the future with Strike or any other man! Matthew hasn't just issues he is an awful boyfriend/fiancee! You just want Robin to stay with Matthew because he is young and attractive and that's just sad really! At some point you might understand that good looks and youth isn't what can make a woman truly happy! Yes Strike has also flaws but we haven't see him around a woman that he is in love with, I would like to read about that even if it's not with Robin!
First of all, while I feel disappointed that Robin went back to Matthew, it's very, very difficult to throw away nine years of a relationship, especially if it's the only one you've ever had -- she became an adult with him. Plus, similar to what others have mentioned, Robin's not the type of person to walk away from obligations...she wants to do the right thing. JKR writes at one point in CoE something to the effect of "the man Robin had to marry--the man she wanted to marry--in three days". She does love Matthew, but she feels she has to marry him, do the right thing, etc. JKR hasn't painted her as the type of person to put her own needs first, IMO (as happens with too many women, too often), so Robin chooses to "go through with it" and probably make the best of it.But I also agree that she will find out about Matthew's deception with the phone and realize that neither one of them can ever fully trust the other. Each will always wonder if/when the other person has lied or evaded, and she'll realize that's no basis for marriage. And I just don't think Matt will change...JKR hints at it in various ways, such as his satisfaction in giving Robin the news that Strike is looking for a new partner. He has an idea of what he wants, who he wants Robin to be, and as supportive as he attempts to be with her staying at the agency with Strike, that support will only last for so long. He seems like the type of guy who says something like, "Now that we're married, I want you to start looking for a new job because it's improper that you and Strike work alone together." (I've had friends who've married men like that--trust me, it happens.)
I do want Strike and Robin to get together, but I also trust that JKR knows writing and her audience well enough not to muck it up.
Marc wrote: "I'd love to think that look she gives him at the end means the wedding isn't even going to be completed... but that's just wishful thinking."That is the theory that one of my friends is defending, and I like it :)
It made me think of the scene in Robinhood: Men in Tights, when Marion says, "I doooo.... NOT!" What a bizarre scene for this book to end... Similar to when Snape says, "Avada Kedrava," bit worse because it's the last sentence of the book. That's just... it. Any ideas on the LW pub date?
Kressel wrote: "The final book in the series, but I'm not so sure I want Robin and Cormoran as a couple. I prefer them as a detective team, and if they can't have both, I'd rather them stay partners than get roman..."I think there is another book coming out this year, so this wouldn't be the final one?
Just finished the book. I am still searching the wast space of the Internet in order to find who reads vows or answers the question in the wedding ceremony first (and seems that it depends on the priest or wishes of the couple), so I am still almost positive that Matthew might bail. I hope so. Muahahahaha.
Sad wrote: "Just finished the book. I am still searching the wast space of the Internet in order to find who reads vows or answers the question in the wedding ceremony first (and seems that it depends on the p..."Hi! I'm getting at a point where I don't care how Matthew get's out of the picture to be honest, he could get hit by a meteor right where he is standing stony-faced! lol But I would like it will be Robin the one to leave him like turning to him after her "I do" looking at Cormoran and facing Matthew she adds "NOT!" There are so many sings and foreshadowing but I don't know if J.K Rowling is gonna use them to cancel the wedding...
Cormoran mentioning the "kairos moment" he had with Charlott (The Cuckoo's calling)
Matthew's prediction about Cormoran (The Silkworm) "He will arrive 40 minutes late and ruin the service!"
What Cormoran told himself 2-3 times (Career of Evil) "There's stilll time!"
Robin giving away her wedding shoes! (Career of Evil)
The lyrics from the song used in the last chapter "A redcap, a redcap before the kiss" (Career of Evil)
Also Cormoran in a way doing what Charlotte asked him to do for her in The Silkworm, she tried until the last moment to persuade him to go and rescue her from her wedding which Cormoran didn't do but he does show up in Robin's wedding...
I want Robin to have a "kairos moment" the moment she sees Cormoran and don't marry Matthew because she will realize how wrong of choice he is as husband for her!
I don't really believe Matthew will leave despite her reaction because of his big ego! He will want to show of to Cormoran that despite his presence he got married to her, that he is the one to leave the church holding her hand and giving her the first kiss as a husband! At least I think so based on his character so far...
At the end that what really matters is for Robin to not get married to that jackass!
Kat wrote: "Sad wrote: "Just finished the book. I am still searching the wast space of the Internet in order to find who reads vows or answers the question in the wedding ceremony first (and seems that it depe..."Amen, sister :D I could sign on every word. You noticed so many signs and comparisons - fantastic insights! Insane! Also, I think Robin based her decision to come back to Matthew because she felt like Strike doesn't care for her, and now that she will see him in church, I hope it will turn some tables.
Sad wrote: "Kat wrote: "Sad wrote: "Just finished the book. I am still searching the wast space of the Internet in order to find who reads vows or answers the question in the wedding ceremony first (and seems ..."aww thanks so much! I had to re-read the books to remember some and discover some others! I hope I'm right though and she doesn't get married, I'm tired of Matthew and I don't believe he has something to add to the story exept used as an obstacle but Robin and Cormoran are not ready to date so they will put themselfs obstacles and with both single the tension between them will grow even bigger!
Also now that I'm thinking about it there is one parallel in between The Silkworm and Career of Evil that I forgot about...
Robin is the one to see Charlotte's wedding photo and observes that even though she is beautiful she is the most sad bride she saw in her life and in Career of Evil she became Charlotte: "the beautiful bride, who had not once smiled in the entire service!"
Don't know though if it means that Robin will have the same fate as Charlotte or if Cormoran's presence who missed Charlotte's wedding will change that!
There are so many reasons as to why Robin accepted Matthew back...
He manipulated her and she fell for it!
It was the easy thing to do!
Out of fear that she has to live alone and start another relationship!
She maybe feels she owes him for staying with her after her abuse! (She forgot though that he managed to stay with her because he was seeing another woman)
She has no idea she is falling for Cormoran and she has no idea how Cormoran feels about her! But I don't know that it would help her if she knew about his feelings since she isn't aware of hers...
I hope too that Cormoran's presence will be a kind of game changer
Am I the only one not liking Robin after reading 'Career of Evil'?Am I the only one wishing Cormoran will end up with someone else? Someone decent, understanding and takes her time to think through her decisions and aware of its consequences in the long run. Cause for the life of me, I just couldn't see how putting two people with serious PTSD together is a great Idea.
Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a complete dickhead, as some people (and even Strike) point out. I understand that he wants the best for his girlfriend, as she is working with a dangerous and poorly paid job. He is jealous about Strike too, and that's not uncommon and demonic. I really don't like the way that Matthew kind of detroys the plot by his jealously and selfishness, but we should look at him as a human (yes, I know he is fictional but come on, he has feelings just like Robin and Cormoran). He doesn´t understand the importance of the job for Robin and even for the sake of the juridical truth (as Corm and Robin find the truth about the mysteries and kind of save people like Leonora Quine, who are unfairly arrested); however, that's pretty understandable.
Actually, being him, I don't think neither me or most of the people who judge him would act much differently, as we are almost omniscient about the whole situation and we can see everything that happens; looking from his point of view, he isn't able to see what we are, therefore he just tries to do what he thinks is right. Matthew is just another human being, just like us (despite the obvious fact that he is fictional), who tries to ensure for his girlfriend's safety. Yes, I know he has done wrong things, as, for example, deleting Cormoran's message (and he really lost my respect because of that), which I can't say that the people who criticize him would do for sure if they were in his place (for example, I wouldn't), but I can see that almost everybody, mainly from the Cormoran Strike's fanbase, hates Matthew,and I don't agree with that.
About the "#Cormin/ Matthew and Robin's divorce" subject, I am not sure if I would enjoy Strike and Robin as a couple, but I'm almost sure that it won't happen. It just doesn't fit into Galbratih/Rowling's style and it would need an extreme plot curve to make it work and not destroy the entire plot. I admit that the idea excites me, as Strike has shown some feelings for her, that he tries to suppress in order to maintain the professional distance between them.
Actually, I think that is a really good idea, as a love story between them would lead to a decayment in the efficiency of the investigations. As I said, a love story between them would need an extreme plot curve in order to not let the story become an empty love story and corrupt the fantastic unfold that Galbraith has made around all the mysteries and the characters. I already admitted that I would like the IDEA of them becoming a couple, but not it becoming reality. Even if I did, RG is better than that: being realistic, I think the maximum he/she will do is to make Strike feel an unreciprocated love for Robin (or Robin for him, which I personally think is more unlikely to happen), but not having the courage (or not necessarily the courage, but not doing it beacuse of the fact that it would ruin the efficiency of the agency) to ask her.
I can't say about the "Matthew and Robin's divorce" subject, because I (personally) don't think RG will make it happen so soon, and much less for her to engage with Strike (as I explained in the last paragraph). As some people pointed out, Robin is a strong and independent woman character, and some people said that "Robin lost her respect with them because she forgave Matt". Think with me: Matt supported her through the hardest part of her life (the after-rape), actually loved her and wasn't an asshole (for example, he wouldn't beat or disrespect her); furthermore, Robin has feelings too, and she really loved Matt (of course she was thinking that over, but she really did), so it's perfecty understandable that she wanted him back. As Bonnie (message 30) said and I totally agree:
"Teasing us with the potential of Robin and Strike will keep us coming back to read more books. Sadly I believe that if JKR were to hook them up the anticipation of what might be would dwindle and what we love about these books would no longer be. That being said, the uncertainty of Robin's marriage or divorce is just part of the web JKR is weaving so masterfully."
Last thing: before someone says it, I don't like Matthew. I just think that everybody hating him is not fair, as I explained.
Well, as nobody can be sure until Lethal White (book 4) is released and we see what happens, the only thing we can do is to theorize and crave for #Cormin. I just hope RG/JK keeps the series as good ass ever, or even better!
Natalie wrote: "Jessica wrote: "I like to think that even though Robin technically said "I do" at the altar, that she doesn't go through with signing the registry.. And/or they have it annulled next day. Because, ..."Hey Natalie, unhappily I think the release date of Lethal White (book 4) wasn't released yet, because I searched many times and didn't find anything. However, I think it will probably be released only after the Career of Evil adaptation for the TV series is released in BBC One, so I would say it will be around by early spring, being said that the release date wasn't released yet.
I hope it was useful!
Natalie wrote: "Rachel wrote: "I didn't understand the whole Sarah Shadlock thing. For how long the book was, I needed more detail about what exactly happened there. She told her mother it was over 18 months? That..."Hey Natalie, check out my comment on one of our posts to see the reply I gave you about when Book 4 is coming,
Joanne wrote: "I completely agree that if the marriage did take place (I hope that it didn't, although it appears that it did--even though Strike kept saying there was "still time" throughout the book)--then a di..."Hey Joanne, I read your comment and as you seem aware of the subject, I wish you could maybe give a look in my comment (number 78) and tell me what you think about it. Thanks!
Felipe wrote: "Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a complete dickhead, as some people (and eve..."
I read your thoughts and they are very well written, thought out, and good points. The only think that really irks me about it, is that you assume Matthew should prevent her from doing her dream job to "protect" her. Robin doesn't need Matthews protection, she needs his support. Woman can live their own lives and not have to appease their boyfriend/fiance/husband. He should not care what she wants to do with her life, but support her with all the energy he can muster.
Marc wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a complete dickhead, as some ..."
I agree with you (and thanks for the praises) that Matthew should support her, and not force her to leave her dream job, but my point is that his vision is well-intentioned. He wants her to be safe and happy, but he doesn't see that he is doing the opposite. That's my point: that he's a douchebag (incontestable), but a well-intentioned douchebag(what doesn't make him right).
While I think that Matthew does want to protect Robin, I also think that a lot of his actions are self centered. He had his life with Robin all mapped out in a way that was beneficial to him and the job with Strike is shaking things up. However, Robin is getting stronger emotionally and better able to stand up to him. I am eagerly awaiting the next installment in the series to see how this all plays out.
Felipe wrote: "Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a complete dickhead, as some people (and eve..."
As I said before at this point I don't care if Robin will start a relationship with Cormoran I just want her out of her relationship/marriage with Matthew! You say he supported her after her rape but he managed to do it while cheating on her and getting what he wanted sexually from another woman and was ok to stay around Robin while she was recovering from her abuse.
Second: Robin herself mentioned (it was in the Silkworm or Career of Evil) that Matthew isn't worried about the dangers of her job but doesn't want her to do this job because of other reasons (she doesn't earn much and he doesn't like Strike)
So I agree with you that Matthew is a human being but he is a bad boyfriend/fiance and he will be a even worse husband if the marriage took place after all. And excuse me but we wouldn't all react like Matthew as far as it concerns Robin's job which he doesn't want because he can't buy things he wants like a car or rent a bigger flat etc.
Also he is disrespectful towards Robin, doesn't appreciate her enough, insults her and isn't supportive to the woman he loves in his own twisted way.
Yes Robin cares for him and even has feelings for him but she isn't in love with Matthew anymore and the only reason she took him back was because she was afraid... To start over with another man, live alone, disappoint her parents (the wedding was to close). Matthew represents familiarity to her and after what happened to her it's logical that after all his manipulations she took him back.
She is bloody misarlable at her own wedding day (and please don't tell me it's only because she lost her job) so no I don't believe she has strong feelings towards Matthew anymore so I wish for her to be single and if a relationship occures between her and Cormoran in the future it will be welcome.
By the way I don't believe they chose Tom Burke and Holliday Grainger with such strong chemistry just for Cormoran and Robin to dance around each other without a relationship planned for them in J.K Rowling's future books.
Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a complete dickhead, as some ..."
Oh, I see your point. I can see that Matthew does things "for Robin", but actually he's doing things for himself. As some people have already said, he doesn't want Robin's job because that was making her more independent (he actually says in Career of Evil that, before working with Strike, she was the first one to apologize and back off,and he didn't like it that she as starting to challenge him) and he liked the idea of her being his puppet.
I, personally, think that maybe he didn't do those things on purpose, but unconsciously (despite the fact that it is extremely likely that Matt is still cheating on her with Sarah, and with Robin working with a investigation job, that would make it easier for her to find out the cheating,what he would obviously be aware of). I think that he is an obstacle between the personal approach of Strike and Robin, ad while some people see it as a bad thing, I actually think it's good. Yes, it doesn't need to be him, so maybe you're right and Matthew and Robin's relationship is harmful for her and should end soon (I don't think it will happen in at least the first half of book 4, as the wedding is still too recent, but maybe at its end or in the next books).
Felipe wrote: "Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a complete dickhe..."
Actually what Matthew said about how working with Strike changes Robin is said in The Silkworm but I do agree that he liked it when Robin was more submissive in their relationship!
As for Matthew doing all those things unconscioulsy it's very but very much unlikely!
In previous posts (74 & 76) I mentioned many reasons as to why Robin might not be married to Matthew despite the way Career of Evil ends! I hope J.K Rowling will spare us the unnecessary drama by not letting Robin get married to Matthew because I don't concider him crucial to how Robin's character will develope and also she needs space and time to become her true self and not the woman Matthew wants her to be!
As for Cormoran and Robin I think the will they/won't they game between them can continue pretty well even if they are both single!
I would like a romance between them like Booth and Bones where the case comes first with little sweet moments between them.
Felipe wrote: "Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a complete dickhe..."
Yes, I think you`re probably right. But I still don`t know if I would surely like the romance between those tow, but I think that`s probably just me being the strange guy again. Thanks!
Felipe wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a ..."
I understand that some people might not want them together for their reasons. I actually want them together because:
1. all the crime novels I've read so far didn't have a romance between two partners.
2. I have a thing for people that suffered and had hard times to get together and be happy because they are good for each other and
3. Tom Burke and Holliday Grainger are looking so amazing as a couple!
I really hope though J.K Rowling doesn't make a mexican telenovela out of Robin's and Cormoran's relationship just to keep the readers interested in the books!
Felipe wrote: "Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a complete dickhe..."
Yes, I think Matthew wants what he wants: A good job that gets him the perks he wants and a wife who will support that life, one who looks good on his arm and is smart enough to have good conversation but not so independent as to want to challenge him. He's not a terrible person (as much as it galls me to admit it) overall, but he's terrible for Robin. Now that she's finding her own way, her own confidence, it doesn't fit in with his plan, and he's too insecure to be happy that Robin's not following along anymore. As JKR wrote, Cormoran realized the price of being with Matthew was not being herself.
I agree that she's marrying him out of old love, fear of being alone, and obligation...think of the weekend before when she thinks about "the man she had to--the man she wanted to marry". She doesn't want this.
Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Well, I have read a lot of comments and I want to give my opinion about this subject too.First, I understand what Matthew feels and I don't think he's a complete dickhead, as some ..."
A roughed up Tom Burke is how some of us wanted Strike to look. In books he was a little gross, and was not very good looking, but, women liked him so there had to be some sex appeal
It’s been a year since I posted on this thread and I’m still floored that Matthew’s cheating with Shadlock was over 18 months. I just don’t see how he’s a decent person at all. Maybe I could forgive my spouse for an affair that happened years ago in college, but not one that happened over 18 months and not with a woman that he still talks to and spends time with. I know it’s just a character in a book but the way this is set up, there’s no way things have been innocent with Shadlock since college.Theoretically how smug would Shadlock have been on every outing with Matthew and Robin about the fact that Robin had no idea that she had sex with Matthew. How smug was he, knowing he had relations with both women? He’s a bad dude. If he regretted the affair, he wouldn’t keep a reminder around. End of story.
Rachel wrote: "It’s been a year since I posted on this thread and I’m still floored that Matthew’s cheating with Shadlock was over 18 months. I just don’t see how he’s a decent person at all. Maybe I could forgiv..."Very well said!!!
Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "I really hope though J.K Rowling doesn't make a mexican telenovela out of Robin's and Cormoran's relationship just to keep the readers interested in the books!"I honestly can't see her doing that. It's just not her style. She is just not the type of writer that is fond of or uses cliches. Aprox a year ago I read a blog post about the series JK got the inspiration for the Strike novels of a 50-s tv show of a married couple that had a detective agency and solved crimes together. I don't know how accurate this information is, but if it is than I'm all for it. Ever since I read that post I can't wait what will come next in the novels. To see how soon the relationship will progress from secret love to a relationship between the tow. Strike is weary of a non work relationship between them (and I think the main reason for this is Charlotte), but that is exactly the reason why he and Robin would work, they would and do consider all the pros and cons of a romantic relationship before acting on it in any way. They just have to admit their feelings for one another first. Considering that Robins trust in Mat is already impaired, I can't really see her staying with him after she finds out about the deleted calls/ voicemail and blocked nr thing. To use Cormorans words “Except that once you had broken up, it was much easier to do so again."
GabRiella wrote: "Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Felipe wrote: "Kat wrote: "Felipe wrote: "I really hope though J.K Rowling doesn't make a mexican telenovela out of Robin's and Cormoran's relationship just to keep the r..."I hope you are right! I've read about this tv-serie too and I really hope that Cormoran and Robin will get together soon because I have to confess that I love Tom Burke and Holliday Grainger together on screen they have amazing chemistry!
Both Cormoran and Robin have their issues, he because of his relationship with Charlotte and Robin because of what happened to her but they work good together, they trust each other and they feel free to be their selfes around each other and so I too believe that if they will be together romantically their relationship will affect them in their personality in a good way!
I can't see her staying with Matthew either if she finds out about the whole incident with her phone but I really hope that she doesn't marry him at all since it doesn't make any sense to keep him around any longer!
Kat wrote: " I really hope that she doesn't marry him at all since it doesn't make any sense to keep him around any longer! ..." I agree with you on this, but she did say " I do " in the church. The question is is the marriage legal? Did they have a civil ceremony before the church wedding or not? Will she or Mat stop the ceremony? Or my personal favorite would be is Sarah Shadlock would confess her love for Mat and stop it all.
I can't wait for Lethal white to come out, I need answers !!! :):):)
GabRiella wrote: "Kat wrote: " I really hope that she doesn't marry him at all since it doesn't make any sense to keep him around any longer! ..." I agree with you on this, but she did say " I do " in the church. ..."
My most favorite scenario is Robin after her "I do" looking at Cormoran turning around to face Matthew and adding "Not!" I want her to take her life in her hands and do what she really wants!
I have also so many questions about the signs and foreshadowing and I need answers. My top two questions are: 1. Did Cormoran have time? ("There's still time" was mentioned from his part 2 or 3 times during CoE)
2. Is Cormoran going to do for Robin what he didn't do for Charlotte in The Silkworm? (Charlotte tried to manipulate him to go and save her from her upcoming wedding but he didn't but he does go to Robin's wedding ceremony)
There are so many parallels, signs and foreshadowing that if I think about them my head goes spinning around. :)
Kat wrote: "Is Cormoran going to do for Robin what he didn't do for Charlotte in The Silkworm? ..." I believe he is doing that on a subconscious level.
In the car, when Shanker asks him if they are going to stop the wedding, he denies it and vows to himself that he will leave if Robin asks him to. However on the same page just a few rows down " Well, I'm going to try and get her back, aren't ?"
GabRiella wrote: "Kat wrote: "Is Cormoran going to do for Robin what he didn't do for Charlotte in The Silkworm? ..." I believe he is doing that on a subconscious level.
In the car, when Shanker asks him if they ..."
I meant it as a parallel to Charlotte (his absence) - Robin (his presence) of course he isn't going to Robin's wedding with the intention to stop it as Charlotte wanted him to do but he might be the reason that she doesn't go through with it or at least I hope so! :)
Natalie wrote: "I also remembered the red roses that Robin was sent at the office. I wonder if they were from Matthew or Donnie? The card was never read! I kept waiting for a body part to fall out of the vase when they got knocked over!"The fact that the card was never read, makes me wonder if it will have something to do with their next adventure.
It could have been easily sent by a 3rd party. In this whole book I kept waiting for the guy that attacked Robin in collage to turn up. If anyone has motive to hurt Robin it would be him. It would be easy for her rapist to figure out where she works. All he would have to do is look up the address of Strike's office.
We also know that a few days later the flowers are now dead on Robins desk with the unread card. Strike did not want to throw hem out and Robin wasn't in the office to do it herself. There is no more mentions of the flowers or card after this. It could still be on her desk waiting for her.
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I just couldn't believe it.
A man who cheats and gets away with it is going to continue to cheat as long as he thinks he can get away with it. Is that part of why Matthew hates Robin working as a PI, because she'll eventually figure out what's going on and tail him to see what he's up to?
I needed a lot more discussion and resolution between Robin & Matthew to really believe that this wedding was happening...