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Speculate: How long before Robin and Matthew get a divorce?
I'd love to think that look she gives him at the end means the wedding isn't even going to be completed... but that's just wishful thinking.
The final book in the series, but I'm not so sure I want Robin and Cormoran as a couple. I prefer them as a detective team, and if they can't have both, I'd rather them stay partners than get romantic.
Marc wrote: "I'd love to think that look she gives him at the end means the wedding isn't even going to be completed... but that's just wishful thinking."Well that's where I expected the ending to go, but JKR has much more integrity than that. And Robin does say "I do", so unless something really strange happens I think she does end up getting married. She was just beaming at Strike as she was happy to see him there.
Kressel wrote: "The final book in the series, but I'm not so sure I want Robin and Cormoran as a couple. I prefer them as a detective team, and if they can't have both, I'd rather them stay partners than get roman..."Well I agree, but all this romantic tension between those two is kinda killing me. It's Ron and Hermione all over again if you ask me :)
If I were Hermione, I would have gone for Harry.
Uday wrote: "Marc wrote: "I'd love to think that look she gives him at the end means the wedding isn't even going to be completed... but that's just wishful thinking."Well that's where I expected the ending t..."
Yeah that is why I went with wishful thinking. I agree with everyone though either do it or don't but don't let the romance distract from the brilliant detective novels she has written so far.
Alternatively, perhaps Matt will learn a few lessons through marriage and change.
i don't think they got hitched...not so much for Cormoran, but because Matthew is a douchecanoe
It says right in the book "her new husband." Surely that means Matt.
Eventually she will find out he deleted Strike's message and all hell will break loose
Marc wrote: "Eventually she will find out he deleted Strike's message and all hell will break loose"Yes, I think this will indeed lead to some kind of trouble!
I also hope that the next book will bring us a divorce, but not so Robin and Strike can get together but to get rid of Matthew once and for all. My biggest disappointment from the last book was that after everything that Matthew did to Robin she took him back. It felt to me like a bit of a let down from JK. Why did Robin have to go back to him, couldn't she have been an independent woman!
Adriane wrote: "I also hope that the next book will bring us a divorce, but not so Robin and Strike can get together but to get rid of Matthew once and for all. My biggest disappointment from the last book was tha..."Agreed! I feel like Robin is much more stronger than returning to her old love just for the sake of it. I feel Strike had more of an influence on this decision as he has stayed silent on any feeling(s) he has.
Adriane wrote: "Why did Robin have to go back to him, couldn't she have been an independent woman!"Because when it comes to men, the smartest of women make the dumbest mistakes. JKR did herself. I've got a feeling she wants a venue to discuss young marriages. She's already covered extreme fame and the publishing industry through this series.
Kressel wrote: "It says right in the book "her new husband." Surely that means Matt."i missed that part, i kind of took it as her new husband that she was currently marrying since that scene was at the end during the wedding
I suppose someone could read it as Cormoran, but I doubt it.
I agree the marriage won't last long. Soon, Robin will realize what a sneak Matthew is. But even if she doesn't, just imagine what would happen if the detective agency became a success and Robin started making more money than Matthew. I think he would have a very hard time losing what he would perceive as a position of power.
I suppose the money issue would bother him, but right now, he argues that she should take a better-paying job.
Uday wrote: "C'mon we all want this to happen!!! So that the Corm can finally confess his love for robin. :D #Cormin"
We do all want it to happen, but I'm sure it won't or where would Rowling be with the plot structure? Anyway, basically Strike is pretty gross, he's just good at solving mysteries.
Now that Mathew is married to Robin he might not want her to continue working with Strike...May be this could lead to a bigger quarrel between them and eventually(fingers crossed)..a divorce...
A divorce can't come anytime soon as far as I am concerned. I can't stand Matthew.
Well I kinda hoped that the wedding would somehow get messed up and I don't even know what that ending implied (I hate cliffhangers!) I didn't get why she would even agree to marry that douchebag though. I hope JKR breaks it up soon.
Yes, yes - I definitely do agree :)
Matthew represents normalcy and safety which is what Robin thought she wanted when they got engaged. Her world and her abilities have grown a lot since then, and she wants more. But just think if she had never gone to that temp job and taken one of the predictable careers!
I'm not sure that the divorce will occur quickly. I can't see Cormoran bringing up the call and unless Matt confesses, it might be quite some time before Robin finds out. I'm not sure they should be a couple either. I don't like Matt but Cormoran needs a partner separate from the drama a relationship can bring. I had hoped Cormoran's brother might come aboard in some way after the silkworm, but he was absent from this book all together.
And now we know there is another half sibling out there, the possibilities re interesting.
Kressel wrote: "I suppose someone could read it as Cormoran, but I doubt it."She was looking at Cormoran so I think it may be (but I guess that is wishful thinking since Matthew is not anyone's favorite).
I liked Robin Ellacott because she was independent, smart, caring. She was like tutor who was likable, not overconfident feminist bitch, but not totally weeping little girl against bad world. Relationship between Robin and Cormoran felt more like friedship, not equal partnership. Sometimes Robin was daughter and other times mother so it felt Cormoran's feelings weren't love towards opposite sex, future wife, but love towards relative. So when Robin forgave Matt and went towards holy matrimony, in good and bad, I lost my respect for her. What next? Robin quit working and becomes housewife who is treated like kitchen appliance?
So I would have liked Robin for stand for herself and show Cormoran that she is just a normal human, like he is, not perfect,but not fragile little girl who needs protector either.
I don't want hot steamy sex fantasies on the office couch or spanking glitter stuff a'la James/Meyer/Clare, but more close to earth and classic style timeless detective stories like Cristie and these Galbraith's have been. So i think Robin is portrayed here realistic that she lost her confidence when she was raped, but overcomes it eventually, not overcoming rape fast and start fantasizing it. (Because I am a man I am not sure how females actually behave after rape or threatening situation)
I have read books written by females where female heroine has trouble with criminals and is followed by one, shoots were fired scenes were threatening and eventually female heroine and male "criminal" find out that everything was a mistake and true criminal is totally different person and they have few hours to prevent him escaping/killing someone/destroying evidence and they have time to have steamy sex, because they resolved their issues. It doesn't matter that they exchanged bullets, there were wrestling between them and possible kicks in the nuts. "Michael still felt kick in his groins, but it gave just extra testosterone boost and eventhough his private parts were tingling he thrusted his love muscle like a stallion. Sarah felt moist oozing and dripping between her thighs and she screamed in her mind. She remembered Madonna's song Like a Virgin and it took her back in that hot July night when she lost her virginity to Tommy, her High School's quarterback and teenage crush..."
Sorry offtopic, give us Deus-Ex Machina where Matthew's lover objects wedding or Matthew says no, because he is jealous about Cormoran and thinks his lover is better choice than Robin.
PS. Harry got right one and so did Hermione (at least in the movies, I have read only first 3 books)
I like Robin and Cormoran as a team but I also have played with the idea of them making a great married couple and still run the business is would be interesting to see how JKR would work it .
Teasing us with the potential of Robin and Strike will keep us coming back to read more books. Sadly I believe that if JKR were to hook them up the anticipation of what might be would dwindle and what we love about these books would no longer be. That being said, the uncertainty of Robin's marriage or divorce is just part of the web JKR is weaving so masterfully.
Matthew and Robin's relationship underwent a change in this book, with Robin becoming a stronger partner. I don't see Matthew doing a complete transformation, because that would be unrealistic, and we already know that he deleted Robin's messages from Cormoran and is not happy to see him at the wedding. But maybe as Robin takes a stronger position in the relationship he will have to shift his thinking. Or get out. Who knows? I always assumed that they would never marry, but now that they have, it will be interesting to see what transpires with their relationship if the series continues. I wouldn't mind if they stayed married, if Matthew grows up a little. I agree with Robin (message 26) in that I'm not sure I want Cormoran and Robin to be a couple either.
Matthew is a conniving little creep - too bad Robin doesn't see that - I think she does (I'm now reading The Silkworm and in it there is a sentence - to the effect of .."... she saw Matthew through Strike's eyes..." but the situation at the end of "Career of Evil" left her feeling as if there were no other options other than to marry Matthew. I'm big on books having two strong characters that eventually fall in love - even though it seems outlandishly impossible. Corm and Robin belong together! Maybe JKR can have him killed off with the suspect being either Corm or Robin and the other one doing the saving. There, that's better!
Haha! That IS a lot better.
Maryo wrote: "Maybe JKR can have him killed off with the suspect being either Corm or Robin and the other one doing the saving. There, that's better!"What I pictured was Matthew/his firm being implicated in some kind of white collar accounting crime, Corm & Robin figuring it out, and that changing Robin's mind about him.
@ Kressel (Message 34) -Good deal! Yes... I could easily see Matthew fudging numbers -especially since he is a "social climber". I agree totally with Corm - he's a wanker and a dickhead. :-)
Robin will most definitely find it about the voicemail someway somehow. I won't want to be Matthew when she does!! Honestly I don't think they'll make it out the door as husband and wife, but that's just me..
I, too lost respect for Robin when she took Matthew back! I really loved her character. I thought, finally, here is a great female character who isn't stupid! She's smart, sharp, brave, a risk-taker, and a trauma survivor. Then she takes Matthew back??!! It was a let down.Needless to say, I can't wait for her to find out about the deleted voicemail. I don't think we've really seen Robin's wrath. Book 4 can't come fast enough.
I like to think that even though Robin technically said "I do" at the altar, that she doesn't go through with signing the registry.. And/or they have it annulled next day. Because, hello, even if her and Cormoran don't get together, it's pretty obvious she had outgrown Matthew. Be free Robin!
In my opinion Robin's decision to go on with the marriage is completely believable and very realistic. Calling off a wedding is an extremely hard step to take. No matter how unreasonable it sounds the 'wedding function' ends up being not just about the bride and groom but also about the people who foot the bill (namely parents)and invest their time and energy in arranging the function. So i completely understand if Robin feels she is not justified enough to cancel the wedding. She's not thinking in terms of marriage at all. Remember she still feels she is in love with Matthew?
Dania wrote: "In my opinion Robin's decision to go on with the marriage is completely believable and very realistic. Calling off a wedding is an extremely hard step to take. No matter how unreasonable it sounds ..."Robin was between a rock and a hard place. She had to make a decision in a very short time. If she was going to cancel the wedding she needed to do it right away. As you state in your post, a lot of time, energy, and money had already been put into it. And the later she waited to postpone it, the more people would be affected. Many people had probably made travel plans and otherwise rearranged their lives to be there.
Matthew was a major part of her life for a very long time and relationships like that don't just go away that easily. Between the new information she had about Matthew's affair and all of the other things she went through in this book, ideally she should have had time to sort through her feelings about everything that happened, but she didn't. Granted she could have postponed the wedding until she had time to give it more thought, but I got the impression that postponing the wedding would be such a major blow to the relationship that it probably would not have survived. That may have been a good thing, but I didn't feel like she was in a place at that time where she could just end it once and for all.
We did read that Robin said "I do" but we don't know if Matthew said it, don't they ask first the bride to answer? I don't know very well how it is done since I'm from Greece and this part doesn't exist in my country in the wedding ceremony and I can't truly remember scenes from any film except the memorable scene from Ross and Emily's wedding in FRIENDS :) So Matthew (that wouldn't surprise me) gets so furious after Robins reaction and cancels the wedding or even better (because I like her very much) Robin realizes that this isn't what she wants and cancels it!
There are many reasons that I want this wedding to be canceled but the biggest of all is that I couldn't stand one more book with the whole Robin and Matthew drama, I would hate it if they get married and then decide to divorce, I had enough of it in three books! The man can't change (at this point I dislike him so much I don't even want him to change) and he proofed it by deleting Robins messages from Strike! He doesn't want her to work with him and I don't want the same drama with him being her husband! And also it's just so very cruel to wait so long for the next book just to get the disappointment that they went through with the wedding because RG said that the next book starts where the other ended!
I want Robin to be single for a while, to discover herself to explore what she wants, she can even date other men (I would love to read about Strik being a little jealous about it) and if she has any romantic feelings for Strike the author can develop them slowly without spoiling us the pleasure of their tention and chemistry while they discover how to manage this new reallity, her being single and Strike with how he feels about that and what he can do about it because lets be honest RG gave us so many moments where Strike thinks about how he feels about Robin and some moments with Robin thinking about Strike and his girlfriend without being happy about it and without knowing why she feel like this and so many moments of tention between them that she can't just take it all back now!
Dee wrote: "i don't think they got hitched...not so much for Cormoran, but because Matthew is a douchecanoe"Yeah he is a douchecanoe but Robin for some reason doesn't see it and if she does see it she doesn't want to acknowledge it! The bad thing is that if she got married I'm gonna be honest and say that I don't want this will they / won't they between her and Cormoran to continue :-(
Michaela wrote: "Robin will most definitely find it about the voicemail someway somehow. I won't want to be Matthew when she does!! Honestly I don't think they'll make it out the door as husband and wife, but tha..."
I hope you are right but this " stony faced new husband" sadly says a lot :-(
Marc wrote: "I'd love to think that look she gives him at the end means the wedding isn't even going to be completed... but that's just wishful thinking."I thought a lot about it since I finished the book and I guess she looks at him because she is happy to see him there (I could though not understand why after seeing him she didn't just turned around to face Matthew and say "I do" I guess it's just for the suspense) but Matthew will think otherwise and make her life difficult, then she will know about the voicemail and deleted calls and we will have pure drama situacion as always with that duo
Kressel wrote: "Alternatively, perhaps Matt will learn a few lessons through marriage and change."He should learn that Robin loves her job more than him and go back with Sara to find consolation!
Bonnie wrote: "Teasing us with the potential of Robin and Strike will keep us coming back to read more books. Sadly I believe that if JKR were to hook them up the anticipation of what might be would dwindle and w..."I wish J.K Rowling is smarter than to depend on our anticipation only with that game because at some point it will get boring! I don't know if you know what I mean... Until now I could understand it but if she doesn't fix things in her next one-two books I will not have any sypmathy towards that matter!
Marc wrote: "Eventually she will find out he deleted Strike's message and all hell will break loose"I agree! There's no way she won't find out at the wedding when she see's Strike. He'll tell her that he's left messages, texts and has called. I don't know, but when you call someone who's blocked your number-do you know that you're blocked? I cannot WAIT for her to blow up at Matthew for that! :)
Jessica wrote: "I like to think that even though Robin technically said "I do" at the altar, that she doesn't go through with signing the registry.. And/or they have it annulled next day. Because, hello, even if h..."I agree Jessica! That's great! I just feel bad for Robin's parents who I think paid for the wedding. That's the worst...It would've cost less if she'd just cancelled it when she found out what Matthew had done...Obviously :p
CAM-HONG wrote: "I want to know who is It?"
Hi Cam-Hong.. "It" is Hazel, the dead girls sister, 'Ray/Donnie's' girlfriend.
Michaela wrote: "Robin will most definitely find it about the voicemail someway somehow. I won't want to be Matthew when she does!!
Honestly I don't think they'll make it out the door as husband and wife, but tha..."
Lol Michaela! I wouldn't want to be Matthew either! I really hope its a big blow up!
Kressel wrote: "Maryo wrote: "Maybe JKR can have him killed off with the suspect being either Corm or Robin and the other one doing the saving. There, that's better!"
What I pictured was Matthew/his firm being im..."
That's a good idea!
Bonnie wrote: "Teasing us with the potential of Robin and Strike will keep us coming back to read more books. Sadly I believe that if JKR were to hook them up the anticipation of what might be would dwindle and w..."
You're right Bonnie....because I was absolutely waiting for them to get together in this book. But, I also didn't realize how many books would be in this series. It could definitely string along for a while. I'll take Robin being alone, maybe going on dates over being married to Matthew...He doesn't deserve her. But I would like Strike and Robin to end up together.....they get along so well.
Adriane wrote: "I also hope that the next book will bring us a divorce, but not so Robin and Strike can get together but to get rid of Matthew once and for all. My biggest disappointment from the last book was tha..."
Yes, Adriane, I was disappointed also that she went back to him so quickly. I can understand that they've been together for 9 years, and it happened at a time that they weren't seeing each other- not that she wanted to be holed up in her house after her attack. But the fact that Matthew STILL see's Sarah, makes plans w/ her and his fiancee...that makes me angry. I was hoping Strike would've done some surveillance on Matthew and caught him still seeing Sarah...still cheating- so that Robin would absolutely dump him! Because why is he still friends w/ her? What's the point? She's very flirtatious w/ him. I did like how upset he was at the breakup...the running after her and trying to be nice. Matthew didn't like the thought of her and Strike on that trip! That was great! Lol.
I've Just finished this book...read the whole series so far in about 2 weeks....and I really would like to chat about it! Do we know when book 4 comes out?
Robin was so great in this book....I loved how she wanted to protect those little girls....even though she shouldn't have done it the way she did.
Shanker was great too...He looked out for Robin..I liked that he asked Strike if they were going to stop the wedding lol. I'm waiting to see if Guy Some sends Strike some suits! He's still wearing the Italian one that Charlotte gave him!
I think that the message from Strike that Matthew deleted was him trying to explain why he fired her. Or at least a 'please call me back so I can explain.' type of message. There's no way that she won't find out that they were deleted and that' he's blocked.
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