Froi of the Exiles Spoiler Discussion

[jen]

lindajoy (edited)
I'm enjoying this book so much. I'm taking my time because there is so much happening. I love this series because there it's not just about a couple or about a family, but it encompasses a whole kingdom. Each chapter reveals another backstory to a character, and another piece to the puzzle (you know how I'm a sucker for something to solve). With so many lands and people, the author can introduce any number of people into the landscape and intertwine their stories. I'm totally captivated!!
I'm about to start Part III (Quintana).....
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Kat
Kat
I have to agree with you! It's wonderful to get a real feel for the people and their belief systems. I'm not sure I've completely understood all the people and their backstories. I tried to understand them, but I was usually reading right before bed, which is not the best time for my brain to work.
And if I'm honest, I don't know that I actually have liked Froi during this whole book. I don't really like most of the characters in this book, and yet I think the story is amazingly good. Well, I think I started liking Froi about an hour ago when he finally did something that I wanted him to do.
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lindajoy
lindajoy
So true Kat! As much as I've loved unraveling all the different backstories, they can be confusing. I like the writing, but she makes me reread stuff a lot - because I feel like I catch up late or something...lol! There's a LOT going on and you really have to have ALL the lights on in your brain - ha!
And Froi has been frustrating at times, but overall I've liked this new Froi (as opposed to the one in the last book). Sometimes he surprises me and turns out looking somewhat honorable.
I just love how there is always something big to reveal all through the book - you don't have to wait for the end to finally get answers.
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Kat
Kat
I like this new Froi as well. But it wasn't an instant love as it was for Finnikin.
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lindajoy
lindajoy
can't wait for you to finish! When it was all said and done - I loved it!!
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Kat
Kat
AAAAH! I'm getting there! Soooo much has happened. It's like the first part of the book is so slow and then all of a sudden, it speeds up and doesn't slow down!
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lindajoy
lindajoy
*does the snoopy happy dance* :) - So excited for you to finish! I know, once the momentum picks up, it doesn't stop.
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Kat
Kat
Hope and I were discussing things in our notes and then I realized I could just post them here since you've alreaady finished, LJ, and no one else seems to be here posting. So here goes:
Kat: It was so sad and shocking about Aria's death and all of theirs, really. I'm finding this book to be sooooo Adult Fiction-ish, in terms of the violence! She has reaally painted an ugly picture of the Charynites. If I were living at that time, I would NEVER want to live there. On the other hand, don't you feel a sadness for the common people?
Hope: I completely agree! It is horribly sickening and makes me so sad! :( Especially when you consider the amount of nice common people there are, but they are all considered evil because the leaders are insane and evil. It is so sad :( Especially Hamlyn and his wife's story :(
Also, I totally suspected that Froi was Lirah's son for most of the book, but I was completely surprised to find out that Gargarin's (or however his name is spelled/pronounced :P I always think of it as "gargling" :P) son!
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Kat
Kat
I loved Hamlyn and his wife!! It almost has me wondering if their son, was his name John?, is going to be featured in the next book. I thought it stood out that they mentioned his name so randomly right before Froi left. I don't think they mentioned it when they were telling their son's story to Froi, just when he was leaving.
Me too!!! But yeah, Gargarin I didn't expect. LOL, the way you think of it! That hadn't occurred to me xD It's bugging me how much they are NOT loving Froi. It makes sense. They are all wounded souls, but it's soooo rubbing me the wrong way. Which, I suppose, is the sign of a good writer.
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lindajoy
lindajoy
Oh - soooo glad you posted here!
I agree with kat about Hamlyn's son, John. It was too random to mention his name like that. I think we will hear about him again.
And, like both of you, I suspected Lirah, but Gargarin was a surprise.
How far are both of you??
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Hope
Hope
I hope so! I think it would be so neat to learn more about him and have him come in and be an awesome character! :D
I totally agree with you about how they are acting toward poor Froi. Though it is almost funny.... :P But yeah, it's still horrible.
I'm at the part where Isaboe just came and visited Beatriss after Beatriss went and got all depressed.
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Kat
Kat
I'm passed that part, so I won't say where I'm at.
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Hope
Hope
You are such a meany :( :P
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Kat
Kat
Well, I could tell you. Then you'd call me a meany for reals :D I'm kind of amazed I'm still ahead of you. I thought you'd pass me last weekend.
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Hope
Hope
I hoped I would pass you! Of course, then I would be a meany cause I would have told you something that happened later in the book than you were at. Still. Not fair! :P
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Kat
Kat
That's true huh? XD It will be funny because we will both finish at the same time! :D It will be a Readers of YA Fiction First! :DDD
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Hope
Hope
Awesome! That would be fantabulous!
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Kat
Kat
Then we shall make it so!
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Hope
Hope
*nods* :D
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[jen]

Hope (edited)
Froi and Gargarin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VumpnH...
:P
and....
Froi and Quintana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucgQ0Q...
;P
Cause I just had to....
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Kat
Kat
BAHAHAHA!!! And "Quintana" is even wearing her pink dress!!! XD
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Hope
Hope
Hahahahhahaha! I didn't even realize that at first! XDDDDD!
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Kat
Kat
Right? XD
And the Gargarin/Froi one is perfect and hilarious!
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Hope
Hope
All Froi and Gargarin need is a genie and their family problems will be over! LOL
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Kat
Kat
*nods* And Charyn needs a genie because, well, obviously it just does.
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Hope
Hope
Duh! And a magic carpet. And Froi just needs a monkey.
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Kat
Kat
Hahahaha!!!! Aaah, I love the monkey part especially! But yes, a magic carpet would make it much easier to traverse that God-forsaken country...even though the gods haven't forsaken it :D
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lindajoy
lindajoy
You guys are cracking me up! WHen I just logged on and saw 17 unread messages I nearly flipped out - I thought you both had finished and were discussing like mad!!.... lol!!
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lindajoy
lindajoy
And Froi really could use a monkey....lol!!
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Kat
Kat
Hahaha!!!!
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lindajoy
lindajoy
I love that they are touching on Isaboe's insecurity as a mom. Everyone is giving her unsolicited advice and she's getting offended by it - which is EXACTLY what happens in our real world!! I love that she is both this fearless and strong leader of her people, and a totally-unsure- of-herself mom!
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Kat
Kat
I agree! That was really well done. I love it too :)
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Kat
Kat (edited)
I FINALLY FINISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my GOSH!!!! I cannot believe the ending!!!!! I cried twice, even though I suspected I hadn't needed to, and then found out I was right.
1. Who do you think saved Froi?
2. What is Phaedra and her group up to?
3. Aren't you happy for Trevanian and Beatrice? :)
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Hope
Hope
:D :D :D So did I! You should have seen Lydia when I gave her the book! :P
1. I don't know...good question. That part kind of confused me. Though I think it was meant to....still....
2. Another good question. I assumed that she wasn't dead (and of course that was revealed in the epilogue) but I don't quite know why it was done, at first I thought it was to keep them safe, but now it seems like it might be something else.
3. Duh! :D I was glad the book ended with that :)
4. I love Phaedra! She is my favorite character in the whole book!
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Kat
Kat
Why? What was Lydia's response? Did she see you crying?
1. I'm thinking it might have been Olivier because he realized what an idiot he was, so he tried to make it up.
2. I thought it was to keep them safe at first too. But she said it was for the good of Charyn. What could that mean?
3. Duh yourself! That was very important to me, seeing as I'm old like them! :P And yes, thank goodness there was something happy at the end. My heart's breaking for Quintana.
4. I agree! She rocked!!!!!! Stupid, slow Lucien!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hope
Hope
Haha! Noooooo! I got my act together first. Her response went a little like this.....
"Ahhhhh! :D HOPE! :D :D :D" Then she hugged the book. "It's so big! :D"
1. It crossed my mind, but it seemed kind of unlikely. I also kinda thought that maybe Grij had followed them and saw what happened and helped him, but it seemed unlikely too....
2. Silly Phaedra raising questions that will haunt us until we read the third book.
3. Oh yes, I loved all the old people jokes! xD! Ohhhhhh I know!!!! Poor Quintana! And Froi!!!! D: And yeah....like everyone else!
4. You mean Luci-en ;P
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Kat
Kat
Haha, exactly! Luci-en.
I'm ever so slightly upset that Froi lived. I mean, if he'd been shot with all those arrows, I mean.....come onnn! But obviously the arrowheads must have been dull or something ;D
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Hope
Hope
I kind of wanted him to die as well. Not because I wanted him to die, but you know....still I am glad he lived and at least he explained it. They weren't aiming to kill him and someone helped him survive. Plus there is magic so duh! And he has Arjuro now who can help heal him.
How do you pronounce Arjuro? Gargarin? Tippideaux? et al. :P
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[jen]

lindajoy
YAY!! You finished!!!!!!
The ending was heart-pounding!! This series is awesome!
1 - I think she's going to end up surprising me on this one. I've been trying to think who might of saved him -none of my scenarios end up making sense. There is some piece of the puzzle we are missing.... :(
2 - I knew by the way Rafuel was acting, that they were up to something. I'm glad she's not dead. I came to like her. Once again, I'm stumped as to what they are doing though. And although I'm glad that Lucian came around in the end, part of me just thinks it was a little too late - I don't really feel that bad for him since he was such a jerk!
3 - I'm SOOO happy for Trevanian and Beatrice!! I've wanted them back together from the beginning, but to be honest, it wouldn't have seemed as real given what they both went through. I loved the scene with them walking with Vestie and Trevanian tells her to call him "father" and then tells her to "shout it louder". They deserve to be happy!
There is SO much happening with so many different people that I almost feel like I need to re-read (at least the end) to fully let it all sink in.
I might even need to make some kind of flow-chart for myself so I won't be totally lost when the next book comes out.... lol!
I can't wait to see what happens next!
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Hope
Hope
Good idea about the flow chart. I won't have my handy dandy sister to inform me of the plot....
Also, I liked Lucien, yeah he was a jerk but he had a lot resting on his shoulders and he was young and yeah....I feel bad for him. He is a good guy in the long run.
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lindajoy
lindajoy
And what about Gert and Bert.....will they ever get to meet up and find true love?.....LOL!!!!
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Hope
Hope
HAHAHAHAHAHA! They must! I was hoping the epilogue would somehow incorporate that but it didn't sadly. :(
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Kat
Kat
1. There was one guy who ruled the caves. Do you remember that? Maybe it was just the caves near the Citavita, I don't know. But he was very respectful of Quintana. That guy could have saved him. But it's just a guess.
2. I actually like Lucien, like Hope. He's so wounded from his dad's death. And he doesn't believe in himself. I'm really happy he ended up realizing he loved Phaedra. He's a complex character who makes mistakes.
3. I love that scene too!
I agree LJ, I feel like I need to re-read parts of it again. I especially want to re-read those words Froi spoke to Quintana right before they parted. It was such a beautiful speech and soooo overdue!
And hahaha...Gert and Bert :)
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Hope
Hope
1. There was? I don't remember him at all! :P Why don't I remember him?
2. Agreed, I can't wait to see what happens with them in Quintana.
3. This has nothing to do with Kat's "3" But I think we should work together to create a flow chart so we can remind ourselves of what happened in Froi when Quintana finally comes out. I don't know just an idea. Lydia is reading through the book now and could help as well. Sort of the main points of each chapter or something like that.
I loved his little speech! It made their parting even worse! :(
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Kat
Kat
1. Because it's a long book. REmember when Quintana went to the...oh what was she called....some kind of soothsayer that would drown her? And she escapes with Froi and they make it into the caves and there's this one grungy guy deep in the caves who knows Quintana and honors her?
2. If she's a good YA writer, she will have them end up together and in love. Which will make Kat happy :D
3. That's a great idea! Once we're done with it, we should save it somewhere, because this discussion will be deleted eventually. Then when book 3 comes out, we can start a new discussion and post our flow chart at the top :D
I know! I was thinking FINALLY you told her the truth!!!
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Hope
Hope
1. OHHHH! Those caves! I thought you meant the caves where Gargarin lived.
2. Hahahahaha! Agreed! :P I'm sure that is what will happen. It makes so much sense anyway, why else have her "die" if not to make Lucien realize his utter stupidity find that she is alive and love her.
3. YAY! :D Good idea too, we don't want to risk losing all our hard work and be back where we started!!!
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Kat
Kat
3. Exactly! Problem is, I'm slightly lazy...well actually, I'm slightly busy. But I suppose if all three of us worked on it, we could figure it out.
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Hope
Hope
3. I think this is another thing that should be begun next week ;P Plus I need to be able to snatch the book from Lydia to use and she has it with her at school to read.
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Kat
Kat
Agreed.
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lindajoy
lindajoy
WOW - you 2 have been chatting while I've had my nose it Insurgent..lol!
1. when you mentioned the guy in the caves, it was driving me crazy to remember his name. I knew it started with a "P", but I finally found it. He is Perabo, the keeper of the caves, and he was in on the original plan of the lastborn lads to free Quintana.
2. I admit, though I didn't like Lucian being so cold, I can see this turning out like Kat mentioned and I'd be very happy with that - I'm sure their story will be one of the ones we get to follow in the next book.
3. I so agree about the timeline. It was hard for me to find the place in the book where "Perabo" was mentioned. This story is soooo dense! We must figure out the best way to highlight the main points and where they are in the book so they can be referred to easily.
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Kat
Kat
Yay!!!
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[jen]

lindajoy
Was thinking this morning about how much I love this series and these characters!! I'm truly going to grieve when the series ends. Like with Scorpio Races or The Shamer's Chronicles (by Kaaberbol) - I got so attached with both of those stories/characters that there was a real saddness when I closed the last page/book. I wanted to stay with them longer..... I'm just glad there is still more of THIS story to tell and I can't wait to read the next one!
Kat - back to what you mentioned somewhere above - you are so right about this being much more like an adult book. The subject matter alone puts it in a class with adult books, but the writing (like with Scorpio Races) puts it in a different class as well.
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Kat
Kat
Do you know how many are in this series? Shamer's Chronicles, huh? I'll have to look that up. If you loved it that much, I'll no doubt love it too.
It really is such an adult book! To me there's nothing in here that makes it YA. Except, maybe, that the main characters are usually young.
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lindajoy
lindajoy
I'm thinking it's a trilogy, but I'm not for sure. One thing I did find out is that the next book will be called Quintana of Charyn and the author has already completed the 1st draft if it.
http://www.melinamarchetta.com.au/mai...
Also - check this out - I love the pics she posted and descriptions she added about the landscape fo the books. Awesome!!
http://engage.reading.org/READING/Blo...
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lindajoy
lindajoy
And Kat - I bet you really would like the Shamer Chronicles. I read them a couple of years ago. The first book is the Shamer's Daughter. I just love the story and I grew very attached to the characters.
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Kat
Kat
That's exactly how I pictured Charyn in my head!
Okay, I'm going to add them to my tbr list. Thanks.
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lindajoy
lindajoy
Me too -That's pretty much how I pictured it. I also pictured the caves and the stream like that! She is so good with descriptions!
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Hope
Hope
I think it is a trilogy as well lindajoy. Though I kind of hope it is longer :P
And yep that's how I imagined it as well. Especially the caves and the city! I kind of imagined Lumatare looking like where I live. I mean the descriptions are definitely similar.
Also, the girl on the cover of Quintana of Charyn looks exactly how I imagined Quintana.
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Hope
Hope
Oh! And I almost forgot!!! I was watching Dance Academy (I swear it is the most addicting show in the world ;P) which is an Australian show and one of the characters was reading Jellicoe Road...and it made me super happy (though I kinda wished she was reading Froi ;P) and also wonder if either of you are planning on reading any of Marchetta's contemporary novels?
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Kat
Kat (edited)
I really don't know anything more about Marchetta than these two books. So I'll have to look them up. When's Dance Academy on?
Marchetta's coming to San Diego in July. I think I'll go meet her :)))
Oh wow! Yeah! The cover is coool!!! She does look a lot like what I thought she'd look like. I just pictured her hair with more knots XD
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lindajoy
lindajoy
Jellicoe Road is the only other one that I really knew about. I've seen it in the YA section, but I haven't read it yet.
Kat - me too- I imagined her hair knotted and frizzier, but the cover is great! - And you should definiitely go meet Marchetta - you could find out the answers to all of our questions.......ha :)
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Hope
Hope
I'm actually watching it on netflix I don't get it on tv.
And that is awesome! You totally should! :D
And about her hair, it is shorter and nice now though, since Tippideaux got a hold of her :P
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lindajoy
lindajoy
True Hope. I almost forgot that she got a makeover! :)
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Kat
Kat
But where is she now? She'll be all knotted up in no time! xD
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Hope
Hope
Hahaha! True, true...
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Hope
Hope (edited)
This is kind of random, because I don't normal read book blog reviews, at least not all the way through cause I am lazy. But I saw this and ended up reading it all the way through because I think it described the book and reviewed the book incredibly. So I thought I would share it with you two and anyone else who reads Finnikin or Froi.
http://www.flyleafreview.com/2012/04/...
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[jen]

Kat
I shall read it later when I've got more time. But she describes it well at the beginning XD
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Hope
Hope
LOL! I know :P It's so true, but if someone had just read that part of the review they would get the complete wrong idea about the book!
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Kat
Kat
Haha, exactly!
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lindajoy
lindajoy
I've sent this to my e-mail at work so I can read it there - it IS job related after all......:)
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Kat
Kat
Hahaha! Aaah that's great!
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lindajoy
lindajoy
While I was flipping back through the book this morning, I came across a couple of scenes that I love:
I love it when Froi is teaching her to defend herself. I love how he is never afraid or intimidated by her - ever - and it throws her off! In the scene, he give her pointers and leaves... then comes back a while later.
pg. 127 - This time when he tiptoed into the room, he felt an arm come around him instantly, the tip of a blade under his chin.
"See, now you're irritating me," he snapped, pushing her away. "Wrong place for the blade!"....
I also love Arjuro's quick witted comments throughout! This one made me laugh when I read it, it's when Quintana is explaining how she could be pregnant:
pg 414 "I thought you said he pleaded illness and lack of interest each time"...... "Well, he did," Quintana said indignantly. "But on the final night, he was up for swiving.......
"We don't use that word, Princess," Gargarin said politely.
"I use it all the time, " Arjuro said. "One of my favorite words, actually."
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Kat
Kat
I love Froi's quote! And Arjuro is great!
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Hope
Hope
Ok.......pulling this back to the front so we can brainstorm. We should definitely do the names to know thing. I think that won't be too hard for us to do a bit of research, using the book and shelfari (though shelfari is notoriously bad at having the character list complete/correct) and such. And definitely do the 'where they are at the end of...' Cause everyone is all over the place :P
So the question is, do we want to do mini, chapter by chapter synopsis for the rest of the book. Probably just a couple sentences for the chapters of significant events. Also, if we didn't want to do it by chapter we could do a longer explanation by part. Or we could even combine two or three chapters into an explanation.
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Kat
Kat
I don't know. I'm thinking I'm not going to have the time to do this.
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lindajoy
lindajoy
OK - I'm back home from my quick Chicago trip! Was fabulous, but I'm tired from the whirlwind trip. Sorry I've been out of the loop..... :)
Hope - I'm pretty sure I will have some time to work on this at work in the next few weeks. If you want, you can take the character list, and I can start on the chapter synopsis. Once I get going, I can see what will work best. I'm sure we will both end up doing chapters since there are so many and might take some time. Just let me know if you would rather do one thing or the other - I really don't mind either one.
Kat - No worries - if you get time, you can jump in. :)
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