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Nov 22, 2018 08:45PM
Lawyers protect their profession by using jargon that laymen don't understand and by using their connections and understanding of the legal system. Doctors protect their profession by reserving the right to prescribe medicine that can't be obtained otherwise. Neither is going extinct any time soon.
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AI kicked Lawyer's butt for reading contracts...REF: https://www.lawgeex.com/AIvsLawyer.html
But, I still think we're a little way away from the day that a robot will represent a human in a legal case.
In my experience of small-town law, personal connections carry weight. When the judge becomes a robot, that won't apply. Will that be a good thing?
A computer would probably be better than a lawyer with contracts, even forgetting the question of intelligence, imply because it can sort more information. However, writing them is another matter because it involves strategy, and in some cases, how to get an advantage over someone else. In one of my novels, an advanced civilization offered the accused the right to be tried solely by machine as far as evidence went, and the machines acted as the jury. In the novel it worked very well, but of course I made it that way. However, I did introduce some ways a not very honest person could try to subvert it. In this case, for plot purposes, it didn't work, but you could see how it might.
Would you rather be judged by a jury of your peers and represented by a human lawyer . . . or by a jury of robots and represented by a robot lawyer?
Scout, your comment reminds of a quote I heard: if you are actually guilty, you would prefer to be judged by a jury; if you are actually innocent, you should prefer a judge. In my novel, the verdict was reached by a computer, but the lawyer was a live alien, as was the judge. One point I made was when the judge says that the jury should ignore something that did not follow proper procedure, everyone knows they don't, but a computer will.
The judge was a computer and a live alien?
I didn't put that very well did I? I've edited it, but what I meant was the evidence was assessed by a computer and a verdict reached, but the entity controlling procedures was a live alien. I did not want to use the word "jury" because there was only one computer doing it.
If I were innocent, I would prefer a prosecutor who acknowledges it and drops the charges. In criminal law, my personal opinion based on experience is that is where a computer might actually be better. As the police say, we wouldn't be arresting you if you weren't guilty; I think a jury pretty much believes you wouldn't be on trial if you weren't guilty. Civil law is quite different, which is more about specific intentions in contract law or a lot of financial issues - like big pharm drugs causing birth defects and what is the value of that loss. Letting computers/robots do personal injury cases would be fine by me.
The really emotional trial is in family law and that is why a judge decides and not a jury. It is as close as we can get to taking the emotion out of it, looking at evidence where everyone is supposed to voluntarily provide all information, and we try to put kid's needs and best interests first. I think it is interesting that this is the area where emotion has to be set aside but it requires a level of understanding of human nature and compassion that a robot/computer would not possess.
The law isn't mathematics and among lawyers the legal outcome is often viewed as a lottery. Similar cases may end up with opposite results. A 'nice' person doing the same thing as the 'repulsive' one may have lighter consequences. The justice isn't blind. In this sense, reduction of a human factor may have some equalizing effect, however it would have drawbacks too..
You know I'm going to ask. What would be the drawbacks? I would think a computer wouldn't show mercy or be able to judge whether someone was truly repentant or understand human emotion as motivation for a crime.
Yes, but equally the guy with the best lawyer, i.e. the rich, don't get a free ride. The computer judges only facts, not emotions.
What about being judged by your peers (i.e. humans)?
Ian wrote: "Yes, but equally the guy with the best lawyer, i.e. the rich, don't get a free ride. The computer judges only facts, not emotions."But in that case, you might see more cases being tossed by the computer based on technicalities...
With electric cars prevailing at some point, I hear car repair shops may go out of biz, since electric cars have a simpler system, less aggregates to break, no grease, oils and all...
Hmmm. No grease. Lucky wheel bearings. No brakes? Oops. Electrical systems never burn out capacitors, chips, etc? In my motoring years, 75% of my breakdowns, etc, had an electrical origin. But I do keep my bearings etc oiled and greased :-)
Ian wrote: "Hmmm. No grease. Lucky wheel bearings. No brakes? Oops. Electrical systems never burn out capacitors, chips, etc? In my motoring years, 75% of my breakdowns, etc, had an electrical origin. But I ..."
Maybe just a sales' pitch, but sounds like significantly less maintenance: https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/elec...
Nik wrote: "That's definitely a sales' pitch: https://www.kia.com/dm/discover-kia/a... :)"Very low maintenance!
At least until something breaks. Then the car bricks and you have to pay to have it towed to a dealership. Wanna guess what that service bill will look like?
I was researching something and came upon this list of old occupations - some of them still exist today under another name - we still have journalists but we don't call the "couranteers". Some of them were replaced by automation. Some of them were pretty funny. http://worldthroughthelens.com/family...
An interesting list and pertinent to the discussion!
Nik wrote: "That's definitely a sales' pitch: https://www.kia.com/dm/discover-kia/a... :)"Yes, you have to change oil and change plugs and points. But gaskets? When did you last change a gasket? Valves clogging? They used to because of the lead additives but as long as you have bursts of high revs and a hot engine, that is most unlikely. Oh, and don't drive on flooded roads.
Then there is the question of off-road driving. You hit a bump and tear the battery compartment, you have a fire to end all fires. Further, if you do break down you MUST call help. The voltages and amperage are sufficient to kill.
Tim wrote: " I was watching an historical drama the other night where a poet was treated like a pop stars are treated today. "I just saw this old comment and it reminded me of a book I read years ago called "Mauve" about an organic chemist named Perkins who was researching something to do with coal tar and accidentally created the color mauve, which became THE fashionable color for women in the Victorian era. He traveled to NYC and got a "rock star" welcome when he arrived, was treated like a real celebrity in the US.
I don't think I could even come up with the name of an organic chemist today.
Beau wrote: "Is Ian an organic chemist?"Slash alchemist sometimes :)
Actually, I started scientific life as a physical organic chemist, so Barbara, three letters only. Unfortunately, I don't get rock star recognition :-(. Or maybe fortunately :-)
Nik wrote: "The law isn't mathematics and among lawyers the legal outcome is often viewed as a lottery. Similar cases may end up with opposite results. A 'nice' person doing the same thing as the 'repulsive' o..."There are always drawbacks. In the USA, with the criminal laws signed by Clinton as part of the tough on crime approach, we came up with mandatory sentencing. Prior to that, I did a lot of appeals based on the judges' sentencing being different based on the "type" of defendant. The down side of mandatory sentencing, it's very difficult to take into account circumstances that would warrant a lighter sentence.
If betavoltaic bats turn commercial, I expect a big reshuffle in small electric storage devices: https://www.greencarcongress.com/2024...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betavol...
Imagine a cellphone that doesn't need a recharge or a drone that can hover almost forever?
I'm imagining that. Very cool - and worth billions.
I just came across this thread. Jobs go extinct. Time and technology moves forward and the nature of work changes. Some get left behind because they do not want to change or are unable to change with the times. New jobs open up with the changes and replace extinct jobs. Unfortunately some get harmed, but it benefits by far more than it hurts.
Every generation has its share of Luddites. Progress will still be made and the human race will benefit from new industries and technologies.
Looks like Chinese automotive industry puts lots of pressure on older manufacturers. Amphibiousness is only one of the features:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkbQt...
