Chit Chat

[Koren]

Reading The Knick Knack Man by Paul B. Kidd, it mentions that the 1960 kidnapping of Graeme Thorne was the first kidnapping in Autstralia. This didnt seem quite right so I googled and found out it was the first ever kidnapping for RANSOM in Australia. Even so, 1960!. Wow! Wondering what the crime rate is in Australia. It must be pretty low. Well, off to google some more.

[Shelley]

My husband and I will be touring London and Paris for the first time soon. I was going to drag him on a Ripper Walking Tour and I still might but they are at night and our days are pretty busy. It may be a bit too much walking after a long day. So....I want to make our own tour of Whitechapel and hit at least the The Ten Bells Pub.

Is there anything else nearby that it a must to see after we have a beer at the pub? :-)

Thanks!

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

Shelley wrote: "My husband and I will be touring London and Paris for the first time soon. I was going to drag him on a Ripper Walking Tour and I still might but they are at night and our days are pretty busy. It ..."

Enjoy!

[Fishface]

Well, the tour will cover most of the hot spots, but you could copy that map of Whitechapel from Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution with the locations of the addresses where all the victims lived. I couldn't find it online.

[Shelley]

I have the hot spots...at least I think I do. A lot of these places are long gone like the site of Mary Kelly's murder (the last one). It would be too much walking for us old people after a long day so I was looking for advise on what "not to miss or I will kick myself" spots that we could walk to easily. I don't think we can cover them all.

[Shelley]

Here's a better question: Are there any other sites close to Mary Kelly's site besides The Ten Bell Pub that are Ripper related and worth seeing? The map only shows the murder sites but is there anything else interesting in this area? Anyone know? Been there?

I know a lot of the sites are totally gone and there is nothing to see. The Ten Bells is pretty much the same as it was so I thought that would be a must.

[K.A.]

Try bringing the area up on maps.google. It often shows local attractions like restaurants, etc., especially if you zoom in close enough.

(From what I can see with a quick look, it looks like the area has an Arabic or Indian theme now - there is something called the Whitechapel Gallery and it is not that far from the Tower of London, which would be the same. No Ripper sites marked as far as I can tell.)

[Shelley]

Thanks. You know, I think just being in the pub that's pretty much the same as it was and frequented by some of the victims and maybe even Jack himself will be enough to make me happy! :) We are doing the Tower of London but that is at a different time/day. I didn't realize that the Tower is so close to Whitechapel but they are next to each other. Two places with lots of spooky history.

[K.A.]

I'm interested to note, at the bottom right of your picture, a structure labelled 'Kath' (?). (My name is Kathy - looks like on the map it's short for St. Katherine's.)

[Shelley]

I googled it and it's St. Katherine Docks. There was a medieval church and hospital by the same name on that spot that was torn down in 1825 to make room for the docks.

Today that area is called Docklands and is a popular housing and leisure complex. I bet it's expensive housing being so close to downtown and all that.

[K.A.]

Interesting!

[Fishface]

Just FYI -- Daedalus Books just announced in their latest catalogue that they are no longer concealing their TC titles among the fictional mysteries, history or biography books -- they have their very own section. But then, I regret to inform, they did the opposite and concealed some fictional stuff in among the TC.

Their current TC titles:
A Child of Christian Blood: Murder and Conspiracy in Tsarist Russia: The Beilis Blood Libel
The Death of Caesar: The Story of History’s Most Famous Assassination
Little Demon in the City of Light: A True Story of Murder and Mesmerism in Belle Epoque Paris
The Mafia at War: The Shocking True Story of America's Wartime Pact with Organized Crime
Manhunters: Criminal Profilers and Their Search for the World's Most Wanted Serial Killers
Mapping the Trail of a Crime: How Experts Use Geographic Profiling to Solve the World's Most Notorious Cases
Murder in the First-Class Carriage: The First Victorian Railway Killing
Murderers, Robbers & Highwaymen: True Tales of Crime and Punishment in Eighteenth-Century England
True Crime: Classic, Rare and Unseen

And a $19.95 "Crime Scene Box" which they say contains a surprise assortment of TC titles worth $95.

Call (800) 395-2665 or go to salebooks.com!

[K.A.]

The first one sounds interesting.

[Shelley]

What is the syntax needed for posting an animated gif? I don't see it listed in the (some html is ok) list.

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

The same as an image. < img src="http://gif.co/ x x x x "/>

[Shelley]

Thanks! Yay!

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

[Shelley]

Why do some successfully post but others don't?

[Fishface]

That's an unsolved mystery.

[Shelley]

LOL

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

I have some good news, my niece and nephew both found jobs! My niece got a job with the county in the agency that goes after dead-beat dads (yay S) and he got a job at Cosco putting on tires (hey he's making money).

So proud of my babies!

[K.A.]

After visiting this group and reading several of Fishface's comments, I decided to visit Facebook, but typed www.fishbook instead.

[Fishface]

K.A. wrote: "After visiting this group and reading several of Fishface's comments, I decided to visit Facebook, but typed www.fishbook instead."

"THIS PAGE CANNOT BE DISPLAYED." Well, I can't say I'm very surprised!

[K.A.]

It's a new project for you, after you finish all those true crime books that need to be written.

[Shelley]

I made it to The Ten Bells in Whitechapel. It was an awesome experience. The pub has kept as much of the old pub as possible and it feels very old. The original tile is still on the walls and I imagined Mary Kelly and the other victims looking at it like I was. The bar was replaced with a copy of the original. The windows are the same. The pub's owner does not capitalize on the Ripper connection at all. Apparently a past owner did for a bit years ago and it didn’t go over well. Now they don't sell any souvenirs, not even anything with Ten Bells on it much less anything to do with Jack. It’s a popular neighbour pub. The trip to the bathroom in the cellar was an adventure - very spooky. I carried my beer with me. :)

[K.A.]

Cool!

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

Shelley wrote: "I made it to The Ten Bells in Whitechapel. It was an awesome experience. The pub has kept as much of the old pub as possible and it feels very old. The original tile is still on the walls and I ima..."

Did you at least keep the glass?

[Shelley]

I never thought to take the glass. There was nothing on it anyway. If it said "The Ten Bells" or something, I would have offered to buy it in a flash! I did get their "business card" that has the name and it's a very plain card at that but that's all they had.

You know you are a True Crime Addict when you are more excited about going to The Ten Bells than you are about seeing Buckingham Palace or the Eiffel Tower!

[Fishface]

I'm at a PMTO convention the next couple of days. Don't do anything I wouldn't do.

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

R.I.P. Morley Safer

[K.A.]

They don't make journalists like that anymore.

[Koren]

I miss Fishface.

[Koren]

Has anyone seen A.R. lately?

[Fishface]

I got books from her in the mail, sent by an uncle in the USA, with a note saying saying she'd dropped by the West Coast for a funeral. That was a couple of weeks ago.

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

Sick today. Can't even open my laptop.

Me:

[K.A.]

Bummer.

[Shelley]

Lady♥Belleza★✰ wrote: "Sick today. Can't even open my laptop.

Me: "

Oh no! Poor you! :( Hope you get better soon! Want me to send over our forum nurse? I hear she is available.

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

[Koren]

Hope you are feeling better.

[Fishface]

I just hope you're not catching.

[Shelley]

On the news recently they said that Indigo.ca (Chapters) here in Canada has seen a higher increase in sales of hard copy books in the last year over eBooks. That's interesting. I wonder if this is a start of the pendulum swinging back. I read a lot of eBooks but hard copies are still my favourite.

[Fishface]

Shelley wrote: "On the news recently they said that Indigo.ca (Chapters) here in Canada has seen a higher increase in sales of hard copy books in the last year over eBooks. That's interesting. I wonder if this is ..."


Bravo!!!

I learned in the space of 2 days that one client is dating a guy named Peterson...

...and another has a close relative with the middle name WAYNE.


I'm not feeling too hopeful here.

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

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Lady♥Belleza★✰ wrote: "Sick today. Can't even open my laptop.

Me: "

I hope you're feeling a lot better today.

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

Dina wrote: "

I hope you're feeling a lot better today."

I am thank you.

[K.A.]

Shelley wrote: "On the news recently they said that Indigo.ca (Chapters) here in Canada has seen a higher increase in sales of hard copy books in the last year over eBooks. That's interesting. I wonder if this is ..."

I doubt the pendulum will swing back very far. Too many folk read on their tablets and phones nowadays for ebooks to have any kind of real falling-off. There will always be paperbacks, just like there will likely always be different mediums for music. but my own personal experience with my own books - each of which I put out in both ebook and paperback - is that I rarely ever sell a paperback at all. The ebook/paperback ratio is probably 100/1. While I'll continue making sure paperback versions are available, with that kind of ratio I'm not seeing a major shift occurring.

[Lady ♥ Belleza, Gif Princesa]

Fishface wrote: "Bravo!!!

I learned in the space of 2 days that one client is dating a guy named Peterson...

...and another has a close relative with the middle name WAYNE.


I'm not feeling too hopeful here. "



Oh he's kind of cute. You know in that deranged, psychopathic, serial killing sort of way.
:D

[Fishface]

That's his happy-pants expression, 'cuz he's getting press attention. His surly look is actually much sexier.

[Koren]

K.A. wrote: "Shelley wrote: "On the news recently they said that Indigo.ca (Chapters) here in Canada has seen a higher increase in sales of hard copy books in the last year over eBooks. That's interesting. I wo..."

While I prefer the actual book to an e-book and I would hate to have the brick and mortar stores go away, I enjoy the instant gratification of downloading a book either from Amazon, Barnes and Noble or from the library. Also they are usually a few dollars cheaper. And they save trees.

[Fishface]

Ah, but a tree is biodegradable and recyclable. I'm not sure I can say that about a Nook.