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Internal and External Conflict
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Dec 10, 2015 07:59AM
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I think Aragorn has a huge internal conflict when he has to chose between Erwen and Eowen. He chooses Erwen in the end but I think it makes him jealous to see Eowen with Faramir.
Why do you think Frodo leaves all his friends behind and goes with the elves to the sea?
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I think Gimli is very irrelevant to the story and doesn't add much to it. If you think about it, what does Gimli add to the story other than representing the dwarfs in the company and supplying a friend to Legolas who would be lonely without him. Gimli is loud and rough, violent which would make him a perfect leader but he is too short and cute to be one. Half the time we can't hear what we are saying because of his large beard and for all we know, he hides a box of fruit loops in there and eats it whenever he pleases.#Hatin'onGimli
I think Pippin is very irrelevant to the story because, well he is Pippin. Pippin's role in the company is the fool. I think Gandalf says,"$#@!, FOOL OF A TOOK!" about twenty times throughout the book because of Pippin's stupidity. Pippin causes the Moria orcs to attack them in the mines because he acidentaly drops a dwarf corpse down an hundred foot shaft and pretty much alerts Sauron of the company's location. He also decides, yes, let's make a fire on Wethertop where nine nazgul are looking for us, great idea!#Hatin'onPippin
I think one of the most undervalued internal conflicts of the book is Faramir's conflict with the Steward of Gondor, Denathor(AKA his father). Denathor has always treated Faramir like dirt but even more so after Boromir dies. Denathor even says that if he could, he would kill Faramir in exchange for having Boromir back. This is both cruel and heartless in the worst way, not loving his own son.
Another huge conflict for Aragorn is whether he should pursue Merry and Pippin or go after Frodo and Sam. He chooses to try and save Merry and Pippin which creates another internal conflict in which he wonders if Frodo and Sam are okay and thinks it will be his fault if they die.
One internal conflict that I just realized was huge was Gandalf's internal conflict when he has to choose if he wants to take the company through the pass of Cahadras or through the Mines of Moria. At first he chose to try the pass but Saruman sent a massive storm and forced them into the mines. If Gandalf had chosen to keep going through the pass, the company probably would have died and the quest would have failed.
Frodo has about five hundred internal conflicts throughout the book like should he go on the quest, coping with Gandalf's loss, and leaving the company behind. I think the biggest one is when he wrongly trusts Gollum. Although Gollum does eventually betray Frodo, he shows Frodo and Sam the secret way into Mordor and without that help, the hobbits would have been captured before they even got to the gate.
One last internal conflict is Pippin's internal conflict when he rides with Gandalf from Rohan to Gondor. He is leaving his best friend (Merry) behind and (unknowingly) is riding into the biggest battle of the third age. This is very hard for him because he is scared for his life and doesn't know f he will ever see Merry again.
THREE RINGS FOR THE ELVEN KINGS UNDER THE SKY, FIVE FOR THE DWARF LORDS IN THEIR HALLS OF STONE, NINE FOR THE MORTAL MEN DOOMED TO DIE, ONE FOR THE DARK LORD ON HIS DARK THRONE, IN THE LAND OF MORDOR WHERE THE SHADOWS LIE, ONE RING TO THE RULE THEM ALL, ONE RING TO FIND THEM, ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL AND IN THE DARKNESS BIND THEM, IN THE LAND OF MORDOR WHERE THE SHADOWS LIE.All of this sets the plot for LOTR but the five rings for the dwarf lords was completely irrelevant. None of the dwarf lords where talked about. We know the three elf lords are Elrond, Galadriel and Celeborn, we know the nine men turned into nazgul and we know the dark lord is Sauron. We never find out about the dwarf lords, we never see the dwarfs join a battle and the book would not have changed without them except that Legolas would be lonely and not have someone to be superior to.
