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Your point 2, I agree with you, I can't blame her at all for freeing Jaime. It wasn't the smartest move, but the woman was grieving for her children and she was thinking logically. She put much faith in Tyrion to uphold his end of the bargain. It must have been so horrible for her to learn that Tyrion might be dead, and having to deal with Edmure's idiocy. It definitely wasn't a choice she made easily. She wanted to kill Jaime. But I see it as a leap of faith.Your point 5, *SPOILER FOR UPCOMING CHAPTERS IN A STORM OF SWORDS* (view spoiler)
Your point 10, I think Dorne declared for Joffrey when Tyrion sent Myrcella as ward to Doran Martell and future wife to his son, and offered a position on council to the Martells.
Your point 11, lol, I guess Catelyn prays a lot so she doesn't go insane. :)
1. Cat’s brother, Edmure, named Ser Desmond Grell castellan of Riverrun before he left to play at war. He’s older than Cat and is a staunch Tully man. He’s the one who has to deal with Cat’s crime of releasing Jaime Lannister, and it is very uncomfortable for him to do so. Utherydes Wayn, the steward, is helping him. Neither seem to know what to say. This is so unlike her. They heard Bran and Rickon are dead, so they cling to the belief that she did this thing out of grief, which isn’t far from the truth. They say men will understand she did it out of woman’s madness but Cat says she knew what she was doing. She tells them if they don’t punish her people will begin to think they were in on it too and she won’t have that. Noble of her. She’s prepared to take Jaime’s place in the dungeon, but they refuse to do that. Utherydes would rather lock her in her room so she can pray for her murdered sons. Instead, they lock her in her father’s chambers so she can be with him in his last days. That’s very kind of them. They’ll even let her in the sept, but nowhere else.
2. After Ser Desmond leaves, Utherydes says freeing the kingslayer was all for naught; they have already sent Ser Robin after them to bring him back in chains, killing him if need be. Why? That is very stupid if they kill them. Then the Lannisters will destroy them, with Highgarden at their back, but they have a chance if Jaime decides to say the Starks were merciful and let him go as an exchange of hostages. It’s a long shot, but they shoot themselves in the foot if they kill him. Then there’s no going back if he’s dead. Cat figured they would try to catch him; that’s why she sent Brienne with him.
3. They relocate Cat to her father’s chambers and she goes to visit him. He’s sleeping, as usual. Cat wonders what her father would say if he knew what she did. She grieves for her sons and her husband, still. She always will, but losing a child is the hardest thing.
4. Then her father wakes, weak and in pain, and he whispers the name Tansy. Cat realizes he doesn’t recognize her. She’s used to him calling her Lysa or her mother’s name, but she doesn’t know who this Tansy is. She tries to remind him that she’s Cat, his daughter, but he doesn’t seem to hear her. He drolls on and on about how sorry he is, asking Tansy to forgive him. Cat wonders if Tansy was some woman her father took solace with after her mother died and feels awkward. She asks who this Tansy is and if he wants her to get her. Instead, Hoster murmurs she’ll have others...sweet babes, and trueborn. He has her really confused. He tells her to be a good wife and she’ll have trueborn sons, then screams in pain. The maester comes to ease his pain and he goes back to sleep.
5. Cat tells Maester Vyman her father spoke of a woman named Tansy and asks if he knows anything about her. Vyman says he can’t think of anyone, past or present, by that name. He says he’ll look into it if she wants, Utherydes should know, and says he’s commanded not to talk too long with her unless it is required. Cat understands and doesn’t blame Ser Desmond. I like Catelyn for that.
6. Cat watches the river to see if Ser Robin will return, to see if her efforts were in vain, but she sees nothing all day, which is good.
7. At supper Maester Vyman tells Cat he spoke to Utherydes who says there’s been no one at Riverrun by the name of Tansy at any time during his service. Cat saw a raven fly in and begs to know what the letter says but Vyman’s not supposed to talk about it with her. He breaks and tells her Lord Tywin left the riverlands so the war in the Fords have stopped, for now. Robb is injured when he stormed the Crag but says it’s nothing. Cat is still concerned, though. A typical mother’s response. She is full of questions and Vyman hurries away before he says too much.
8. She spends more time with her father, who starts talking in his sleep. He apologizes to Tansy again. It obviously upsets him, so whatever it is/was must be important to him. Cat doesn’t know what to make of it. That night she thinks about it. She ponders if this Tansy had a bastard by him, then rules that out. Her father would never do that, Edmure maybe, but not Hoster Tully. Then she ponders Lysa, who could have been pregnant before she got married to Jon Arryn.
9. Cat recalls the time they both got pregnant at the same time; Cat with Robb and Lysa with a miscarriage. Before that happened, Lysa was so happy, saying their sons would be more like brothers than cousins. How sweet, but then she miscarried. She was never the same since. Cat wonders if Lysa was pregnant longer than she had been, so she married Jon Arryn to cover up being with child before the wedding. Lysa couldn’t handle holding baby Robb, too emotionally damaged to handle it. It did seem strange that Lysa’s marriage was hastily arranged to an old man that needed an heir.
10. Cat goes to her father and tells him she knows what he did. She writes to her sister and explains her two sons are dead and their father is full of grief of the wrongs he did to her. She begs Lysa to come see him, or at least write to him. He lingers on his deathbed, refusing to die because of his need to make amends with her. Awe. She gives the letter to Maester Vyman to deliver the letter and goes to pray in the sept.
11. Later she finds out Edmure has returned. He eventually goes to speak with her, taking his time. He says he pushed the Lannisters back, lol, but stumbles when he mentions Lord Stannis. He says Stannis lost the battle at King’s Landing, and Edmure is sad about this. Dude, even if Stannis had won, he’d be coming after you next! Cat is secretly relieved; she’s still freaked out about Stannis’s shadow and is glad he lost the battle. Edmure says now both Highgarden and Dorne are on Joffrey’s side. That’s a big blow to Robb. They are even bigger than ever. And he’s upset because his sister set free the kingslayer. I knew that was coming. Edmure says he was charged to keep the kingslayer safe and Cat says Brienne is doing that. I don’t like how Edmure calls her “that woman?” Wth, man? Cat explains that Tyrion promised he would safely give her daughters back when Jaime is safely returned to King’s Landing; he said it in front of an entire room full of people. Edmure informs Cat that he heard Tyrion took an axe to the face and is most likely dead. Cat is devastated by this news. Edmure says he sent ravens to Lord Bolton telling him to be on the lookout for the kingslayer who has escaped. He never even says Jaime’s name; he’s just the kingslayer.
12. Cat is livid with her brother now. She tells him it was supposed to be an exchange, not an escape! If King’s Landing thinks Jaime returned to them as an escapee, they will never return her daughters. Edmure promises they’ll find him before that happens but Cat says all he’s made certain of is that she’ll never see her daughters again. Poor woman. She commands her brother to leave, even though she’s the treasoner in his castle and has no right bossing him around. Oh well, he’s still her little brother.
*SPOILER FOR UPCOMING CHAPTERS IN A STORM OF SWORDS* (view spoiler)Oh yes I remember now, maybe I got confused because the way Edmure said it made me think it was kinda recent.
Lol at your point 11, but yeah, if Stannis had won he would go for them after. But I guess he saw the Lannister's win as a worst thing that Stannis ever coming to them. And Edmure was pretty much a bitch in this chapter, I forgot to wrote that, lol.
2-They thought she did it because of what she thinks happened with Bran and Rickon, that it was because she was under a mother’s madness. But Catelyn said no, she knew what she was doing and what it meant. It must be really hard for her, and I understand she wanted her daughters back, no matter what. I remember a friend once told me he thought Catelyn was stupid for doing this, and I know he meant if because she was freeing Jaime, and would trade him for girls. But is just a shitty situation, and I understand why she did this. Plus I don’t think it was an easy choice to make.
3-So, Catelyn would be confined in her father’s room until Lord Edmure returns. It seems the castellan and Hoster’s steward doesn’t seem Hoster as lord anymore. She finds out they sent Ryger to get Jaime back, and was not surprised at all, but was worried.
4-While she was with her father, she wondered what he would think of her, but for some reason I think he would understand her. The room smelled like death, which is not good at all. He doesn’t even seem to have lucid moments anymore.
5-Catelyn’s father started talking about a woman named Tansy, whom Catelyn didn’t know of. He said he was sorry for the blood, and she felt like she never knew his father. I think he talked about a baby who died, and how this Tansy would have other babies, trueborn babies, and be a good wife. I was really interested about this. Catelyn asked the Maester if he knew Tansy, but he didn’t, and he couldn’t speak to her a lot either.
6-She kept looking out of the window, to see if the ship came back with Jaime in it, but the ship didn’t come back, so she still had hope. But she did see a raven, and when she asked the Maester about it, he told her it was from Robb, who got wounded storming the Crag, but it wasn’t that bad. Poor woman, he didn’t tell her much, so she didn’t know where he was wounded. He also told her Wayn was sure Tansy never served in Riverrun, interesting.
7-Hoster asked for forgiveness. Catelyn thought he might had a bastard, but thought better. She would have expected that from Edmure, and was pretty sure he had bastards, but not her father. So, she thinks maybe Tansy is Lysa, and that Hoster called her that way, but it sounds weird to me she never heard her father called her sister like that.
8-Lysa lost five babies, and since they got married the same day, she thought she was pregnant like Catelyn, but she wasn’t. Jon Arryn needed an heir, therefore a young and fertile wife, and Catelyn thought her sister might have been preganant before she married. She thought Lysa was the Price Jon had to pay to get the Tully’s swords. To be honest, I don’t remember what happens with this, if it’s ever confirmed. But I do remember Littlefinger said he was the first man to sleep with Catelyn, although I can’t remember if he said the same about Lysa. Anyhow, this shows Catelyn is a really smart woman, she got to that conclusión just from a few words.
9-Catelyn wrote Lysa, which was useless in my opinión. She asked her sister to go there so her father could rest, and that she knew what happened, or to send a letter if she couldn’t go. She won’t do neither I bet, I don’t think she gives a shit, but I don’t remember what Lysa does after all.
10-Edmure got back, and when he went to see his sister, she noticed he was not well. For the way he was decribed, it sounded he had hard battles. He told Catelyn about how he stopped the Lannisters, and how Stannis lost in King’s Landing. This was bad, Highgarden, Dorne and the whole south, declared for the Lannisters. I forgot Dorne declared though.
11-Edmure kept telling how she had no right, and how Cersei wouldn’t let her daughters go. He was pretty mad at her, and I can’t blame him. She said she trusted Tyrion would free them, but Edmure told her he was probably dead. It’s just blow after blow for her! And Edmure sent a raven to the Boltons, in hopes they take Jaime back near Harrenhal. But he wrote he escaped, he didn’t mention Catelyn or what she did. How awful she must have felt at that momento. She understood there would be no exchange, she would never have her daughters back if Cersei thought Jaime escaped. She thought how Brienne could have reached King’s Landing if they weren’t being haunted, but now it was more difficult. How does this woman do to not go insane?