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interesting huh!.....which parts did you find interesting?
Sure... I have a lot to tell..
Wait
I don't exactly remember chapter 25.. what happens there?
I don't exactly remember chapter 25.. what happens there?
I have completed!!!a lot to process...........
yeah, well have nothing else to do so ;ptell me what you thought? naked truths eh...
I will tell step by step.. I love her language as always. The letter thing, past and present thing, all the characters, no one was perfect there but still few things were little over or unbelievable.
yeah, I agree...the language was beautiful and the flow was smooth, once started it was hard to put it down
I understood the main theme of book at 60 percent or something.. About her parents.. I thought it was just for Atlas and Lily's story. So I m little disappointed at that
hmmwhat did you thought about Atlas and ryle and lily....... and their relationships
faith?? you there?
Hi... Sorry for dissappearing frequently. I m using phone so typing is difficult.
ooh okayso what next? my experiment with truth?
I want to talk about this. But I am too lazy to type on phone. I will finally tell you my thoughts tomorrow..
Possession or experiments??? Whatever you say.
Possession or experiments??? Whatever you say.
oohk then.............we can also decide next read tomorrow :)
About Lily...
I like her character so much. The decision she took in the hospital and the timing and the reason she gave was appropriate. That requires strength to let go of someone you love and need. I had this tiny hope that she will accept him, which is wrong I know. We have this habit of defending our loved ones and hoping that they will change for good even when deep down we know its highly unlikely. Lily didn't tugged on to that hope like rest of woman, like her mother that's why I like her. She acted very rationally. She didn't carried in emotions,
She went to Atlas for some time but never really ran to him for support or because she was weak and needed someone. She came back and lived on her own. She accepted him when she was independent not because she needed him.. just loved him. She wasn't Damsel in distress.
I like her character so much. The decision she took in the hospital and the timing and the reason she gave was appropriate. That requires strength to let go of someone you love and need. I had this tiny hope that she will accept him, which is wrong I know. We have this habit of defending our loved ones and hoping that they will change for good even when deep down we know its highly unlikely. Lily didn't tugged on to that hope like rest of woman, like her mother that's why I like her. She acted very rationally. She didn't carried in emotions,
She went to Atlas for some time but never really ran to him for support or because she was weak and needed someone. She came back and lived on her own. She accepted him when she was independent not because she needed him.. just loved him. She wasn't Damsel in distress.
Yes, I too loved lily for all the reasons you mentioned. I too was hoping maybe Ryle and lily would get a happy ending, but that would have not been exactly happy......in the end she was much more stronger!!
Atlas was a better person than ryle but he made few mistakes which made me not like him much....
About Ryle...
As you know I didn't like him at first because I though he just wanted her for one thing...lust. and he even asked shamelessly. That was her disrespect. He was not ready to change himself for her.
But I was wrong. He really loved her. I was so happy for them. But then again came his temper. When that first incident happened.. I thought it was accident and didn't give much thought. When Lily said she would live him if he would do it again. I thought she is overreacting. But I appreciated her for saying that because that shows how much she respects herself and thinks highly of herself. Getting married was desperation I think. He didn't tell her 2 important things about his brother and shifting to Mayo clinic. Her business was in Boston so leaving Boston wasn't option for her. He hid these things because he didn't want to lose her. That was acceptable.
When second incident happened. She should have left him at that point. She defended him. I was so shocked she acted so rationally first time and second time she acted emotionally. But any woman would have done that after hearing his story. Even though it doesn't quite justify his behavior.
No comments for third incidents. It was cruel and wrong by all means. I cannot imagine getting hurt by someone who claims to love you. He wasn't himself at that time but I know it doesn't justify him.
I was mad at him then pitied him. He lost everything in the one moment. He went though hell after than. Maybe for rest of his life. He already felt guilty about his brother and more guilt.. actually crime. He suffered a lot.. more than anyone. Maybe that's why i wanted her to accept him, to forgive him. I cannot see him in so much pain. I understood why woman go back to abusive husband. Only because they love their husbands with everything they have and maybe with false hope.
As you know I didn't like him at first because I though he just wanted her for one thing...lust. and he even asked shamelessly. That was her disrespect. He was not ready to change himself for her.
But I was wrong. He really loved her. I was so happy for them. But then again came his temper. When that first incident happened.. I thought it was accident and didn't give much thought. When Lily said she would live him if he would do it again. I thought she is overreacting. But I appreciated her for saying that because that shows how much she respects herself and thinks highly of herself. Getting married was desperation I think. He didn't tell her 2 important things about his brother and shifting to Mayo clinic. Her business was in Boston so leaving Boston wasn't option for her. He hid these things because he didn't want to lose her. That was acceptable.
When second incident happened. She should have left him at that point. She defended him. I was so shocked she acted so rationally first time and second time she acted emotionally. But any woman would have done that after hearing his story. Even though it doesn't quite justify his behavior.
No comments for third incidents. It was cruel and wrong by all means. I cannot imagine getting hurt by someone who claims to love you. He wasn't himself at that time but I know it doesn't justify him.
I was mad at him then pitied him. He lost everything in the one moment. He went though hell after than. Maybe for rest of his life. He already felt guilty about his brother and more guilt.. actually crime. He suffered a lot.. more than anyone. Maybe that's why i wanted her to accept him, to forgive him. I cannot see him in so much pain. I understood why woman go back to abusive husband. Only because they love their husbands with everything they have and maybe with false hope.
I will tell about Mother, Atlas and Allysa later in the afternoon. In the office now. Gotta go.
Pranjali wrote: "Atlas was a better person than ryle but he made few mistakes which made me not like him much...."
Who? Atlas or Ryle?
Who? Atlas or Ryle?
About Atlas..
I like Atlas from the beginning. I think first love is unforgettable and true so I was wishing they get back together somehow. Do you remember the last chapter of first part where Lily talks about how she felt when she sees Atlas at restaurant. She says, "Just because we didn't end up on the same wave, doesn't mean we aren't still a part of the same ocean"
My view on the first love changed after hearing this line. Maybe we obsessed over first love and refused to give chance to more deserving wave. I really like with the way and thoughts Lily moved on with Ryle. First love is always painful to forget but she dealt with it with a great maturity.
I really enjoyed Lily and Atlas's teenage love story. Sometimes I thought it a bit unreal though.
Atlas was perfect. At least he seemed. We don't get to see much Atlas.. only through letters and few encounters. I wanted to see much of him when he grew up. I still don't understand why he didn't came to find her when he was successful and why he lied about Cassie? If he really loved her, he should fight for her.. even though she is seeing someone.. not that she was married.
I don't like when he said he doesn't want casual relationship. I understand it must be difficult for him to have only casual relationship with the love of his life. But still... She was going through difficult phase.. she was pregnant and alone. She would not have accepted help. But he could have offered not just emergency help. It was little selfish.
I loved the epilogue.. the way she says she is ready.
I like Atlas from the beginning. I think first love is unforgettable and true so I was wishing they get back together somehow. Do you remember the last chapter of first part where Lily talks about how she felt when she sees Atlas at restaurant. She says, "Just because we didn't end up on the same wave, doesn't mean we aren't still a part of the same ocean"
My view on the first love changed after hearing this line. Maybe we obsessed over first love and refused to give chance to more deserving wave. I really like with the way and thoughts Lily moved on with Ryle. First love is always painful to forget but she dealt with it with a great maturity.
I really enjoyed Lily and Atlas's teenage love story. Sometimes I thought it a bit unreal though.
Atlas was perfect. At least he seemed. We don't get to see much Atlas.. only through letters and few encounters. I wanted to see much of him when he grew up. I still don't understand why he didn't came to find her when he was successful and why he lied about Cassie? If he really loved her, he should fight for her.. even though she is seeing someone.. not that she was married.
I don't like when he said he doesn't want casual relationship. I understand it must be difficult for him to have only casual relationship with the love of his life. But still... She was going through difficult phase.. she was pregnant and alone. She would not have accepted help. But he could have offered not just emergency help. It was little selfish.
I loved the epilogue.. the way she says she is ready.
I think I'd be able to relate a lot with the character Atlas if I read that book and now I want to read the book as well. First love is something we can never forget. First things are always the best. I'll start this book today.
About Lily's mother..
When Lily was kid, I think she should have left him. I know she was thinking about Lily's future. As I recall she had job. She compromised due to financial issues I think. But she should have thought about Lily's feelings and what she must have felt what her father is doing with her mother in the next room. She never really accepted him as a father.
When Lily goes to her mother.. I was surprised. I thought she will try to convince her to take him. She was really strong woman. One more thing she hadn't thought.. she lost her youth in protecting Lily's future. Very rarely mother thinks about it. I think they should think about married life first and then children. Because if you don't have a good married life, children will suffer most even if you are making compromise for children.
Atlas's mother was exactly opposite of Lily's mother. One sacrificed everything for kid and other gave up on kid for everything.
When Lily was kid, I think she should have left him. I know she was thinking about Lily's future. As I recall she had job. She compromised due to financial issues I think. But she should have thought about Lily's feelings and what she must have felt what her father is doing with her mother in the next room. She never really accepted him as a father.
When Lily goes to her mother.. I was surprised. I thought she will try to convince her to take him. She was really strong woman. One more thing she hadn't thought.. she lost her youth in protecting Lily's future. Very rarely mother thinks about it. I think they should think about married life first and then children. Because if you don't have a good married life, children will suffer most even if you are making compromise for children.
Atlas's mother was exactly opposite of Lily's mother. One sacrificed everything for kid and other gave up on kid for everything.
About Allsya..
Don't have to say much except she is very good friend. I was little disappointed at her when she supported Ryle in the second incident. But after third.. She became my favourite.
Don't have to say much except she is very good friend. I was little disappointed at her when she supported Ryle in the second incident. But after third.. She became my favourite.
Ganesh wrote: "I think I'd be able to relate a lot with the character Atlas if I read that book and now I want to read the book as well. First love is something we can never forget. First things are always the be..."
*Clap clap clap*
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okay what you said about Atlas, agree with all of it.
I want to add more to that:
we met 15 year old atlas who was likable, I can see why lily loved him and have full empathy with his 15 year old self. but we didn't saw a lot of adult Atlas, so we didnt actually know anything real about him except that he had difficult past, he loves lily, he is not an abuser and he is rich! all these things made him seems perfect, especially compared to Ryle. we as well as lily are seeing him through a prism of his younger self and not close enough to know him real well.
the first time atlas and ryle meat, instead of talking to liliy atlas just assumed that ryle was an abuser and then meddled which caused some friction. If he had let go lily, he had no right to give his no. in the way he did without talking about things. I think this created doubts in lily's mind.......only If they had talked like adults at that time none of the things would have happened
His reasoning for not returning to lily and keeping his promise was absurd! I think he was just making excuses......
Atlas suffered with inferiority complex, he should have had faith in lily an her love and should have fought and I dont like him because he didnt even tried.........
this doesn't means I am taking Ryle's side or agreeing with his actions........what he did was unforgivable and at the end lily made the right decision
Yeah... Agreed.. That fight was the only thing where we had seen real Atlas.
I don't know why this book is categorised as Romance. This is hardly love story. This just story about strong woman.
I don't know why this book is categorised as Romance. This is hardly love story. This just story about strong woman.
after reading lily's story, I kind of understand why her mother didn't left her father...........the que is
how many chances does a person we love deserves?
where is the line between ego and self respect?
why are there so hypocrite standards for men and women?
had she thought about herself first and lily second, would that be considered as selfish?
Ryle was the most honest and relateble character, his flaws and imperfection's made him so real.......he was not bad nor good, he was a person we can see all around us. the way his character was portrayed, I couldn't help but fall in love with him alongside lily and was hurt when he did those things and the final incidence broke lily's as well as my heart too.......
I wanted an happy ending for them, hoping that lily would give him another chance and maybe if I would have been in lilys place I would have given him another chance...........
but I am happy lily was stronger and made the right decision
Ganesh wrote: "I think I'd be able to relate a lot with the character Atlas if I read that book and now I want to read the book as well. First love is something we can never forget. First things are always the be..."nice!!
and when yo finish, let us know your thoughts............it would be interesting to get a male perspective :D
You know sometimes guys Ryle change for real.. such guys should get another chance. It's like throwing everything away.
Pranjali wrote: "after reading lily's story, I kind of understand why her mother didn't left her father...........
the que is
how many chances does a person we love deserves?
where is the line between ego and sel..."
Need a lot of thinking about these questions..
the que is
how many chances does a person we love deserves?
where is the line between ego and sel..."
Need a lot of thinking about these questions..
I know :(do you think I am a fool for wanting a sequel about ryle so that he could also meet someone and get a happy ending!??
Sequel would be nice but it will be too much painful. Just imagine.. even if he starts dating and anybody asks why he is divorced. Good thing he never wanted to settled in the first place.
*sigh*what a book this was!
so what next?
Yup feeling sad after finishing it.. It made us think Na.
Which book do you want to read?
Which book do you want to read?
But it's temporary cause. When Ganesh finishes, we will have another round of discussion :)
Aarti wrote: "But it's temporary cause. When Ganesh finishes, we will have another round of discussion :)"yeah, lets see what he thinks.....
Aarti wrote: "Yup feeling sad after finishing it.. It made us think Na. Which book do you want to read?"
can we my experiments.... first?
Yeah sure!!!
When you gonna start? Which translation you will read? I suppose you don't know Gujarati.
When you gonna start? Which translation you will read? I suppose you don't know Gujarati.
nope, no gujarati :(I have a paperback in english. can start tomorrow......
Yeah sure. I have read it in Marathi. Will read now in English.
Have you read the author's note? I forgot to ask you.
Yeah I did and reading that made a lot of sense in respect to the story
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I am still at chapter 25, will finish it tonight, will discuss tomorrow then...