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Why does everyone hate Al? I read the books and I love Al. (view spoiler)[I was so sad when he died (hide spoiler)] after I saw the movie all my friends were like “He’s such a loser, cowered, wimp etc.” I don’t think that’s true. (view spoiler)[ I mean you have to have guts to jump off a cliff, (hide spoiler)] but I thought he was really sweet to Tris and pressure to succeed got the best of him, and I was just wondering why Al has so much hate. I mean haters gonna hate but still....
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(spoilers) I DON'T HATE AL!!!!!!!!!!!! AL WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS AND I WAS SOOOO SAD WHEN HE DIED IN BOTH THE BOOK AND THE MOVIE!!!! I really wish Tris had been nicer to him:(
Cookies'n'cream wrote: "(spoilers) I DON'T HATE AL!!!!!!!!!!!! AL WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS AND I WAS SOOOO SAD WHEN HE DIED IN BOTH THE BOOK AND THE MOVIE!!!! I really wish Tris had been nicer to him:("Me too. It's sad. :'(
(Spoilers)Jumping off a cliff to your death isn't brave. Suicide is an act of cowardice and selfishness, not courage.
I didn't love Al in the beginning of the book, but he started off as one of the good people, so I liked him alright. But then when he turns on Tris and attacks her, he shows himself to be no better than any other bully. And bullies are just cowards in reality.
Kristen wrote: "(Spoilers)
Jumping off a cliff to your death isn't brave. Suicide is an act of cowardice and selfishness, not courage.
I didn't love Al in the beginning of the book, but he started off as one of..."
I think it's brave, but it would've also been brave for Al to stay alive and be factionless or see if he could make it in to daungtless. I wouldn't kill myself because I'm scared of death.
Jumping off a cliff to your death isn't brave. Suicide is an act of cowardice and selfishness, not courage.
I didn't love Al in the beginning of the book, but he started off as one of..."
I think it's brave, but it would've also been brave for Al to stay alive and be factionless or see if he could make it in to daungtless. I wouldn't kill myself because I'm scared of death.
I didn't like Al, why are you trying to throw someone of a cliff for your own selfish needs. Suicide is dumb, why wouldn't he be factionless.
Tris thought she wouldn't pass and she did. Yes Al is a coward, but so is/was Tris she let her boyfriend kill her. that's suicide in it's own way
Christina wrote: "I felt bad for Al how he was treated by Tris (not up front but in her thoughts) and what he was ....Um I see ur point I see tris the way she responded was reasonable she was the victim in tht part and she could have reacted how ever she wanted and be justified..
Now its not her fualt how he took it or whatever demons he was fighting with.. He went and did feel bad and tried to apologize realizing what he did was wrong, but wht if he would hVe succeeded in killing her that was his goal and he only,felt bad cuz he failed Nd was embarrassed and ashamed.
He did wht he did and I think its not tori to fualt in my book she is justified... :)
Aurora wrote: "I think it's brave, but it would've also been brave for Al to stay alive an..."How in the world is giving up and killing yourself brave by any stretch of the imagination?
Yeah I dont think killing him self was brave she was actually very nice to him in the begging and then he does that yeah that was not brave t all I will disagree
I had mixed feelings for Al. I wished that he lived long enough to explain his actions to Tris. Even if she was mad at him, if he had truly loved her or truly cared about her after all that--he would have stayed alive to prove it to her. I wish there was more of an explanation to why he was trying to through her off the cliff. Instead, he just ended up looking like a jerk.
Jenni wrote: "I had mixed feelings for Al. I wished that he lived long enough to explain his actions to Tris. Even if she was mad at him, if he had truly loved her or truly cared about her after all that--he wou..."Thts def right I was really shocked when he attacked and we mever really knew why i liked him in the begging
I think it's impossible for me to hate Al.
Kristen wrote: "Aurora wrote: "I think it's brave, but it would've also been brave for Al to stay alive an..."How in the world is giving up and killing yourself brave by any stretch of the imagination?"
How is killing yourself not brave? It can't be easy to decide to jump off a cliff and actually go through with it.
I do feel for Al and for a while I really hated Tris for what she was doing to him. Yes, she had become dauntless but it didn't mean she should just become completely selfish. She was supposed to be divergent for goodness sake! After what he did, though, and how he betrayed Tris it made it impossible for me to like him. But like Saara said, it was also impossible for me to hate him.I think if Tris had been nicer (before he did what he did and, to a much lesser degree, afterwards) he might have felt a bit more supported and a little less hopeless and lost. He was scared and scared people do stupid things.
Sorrel wrote: "I do feel for Al and for a while I really hated Tris for what she was doing to him. Yes, she had become dauntless but it didn't mean she should just become completely selfish. She was supposed to b..."True because he wasnt nice he did that but she was in everyway justified for whatever way she wanted to act after he betrayed her
Sarah wrote: "How is killing yourself not brave? It can't be easy to decide to jump off a cliff and actually go through with it. ."Giving up is always the easy way out. You say that it can't be easy to go through with, but you're thinking from your perspective of "I want to live" and "I don't want to get hurt". If you want to die, there's nothing brave about throwing yourself off a cliff. If death is your goal, it's probably extremely easy to do. All you're thinking about is the end of your problems.
Brave would have been if Al chose to fight for his spot in Divergent and then accept it if he didn't get in. Brave would have been making the best out of being factionless.
Giving up is never brave. It's weak.
Besides, suicide is one of the most selfish things a person can ever do. It's self-pitying and says 'screw you' to anyone and everyone that cares about you.
Al was an interesting character as he would've turned out either good or bad. But he wasn't a character that really had a part where you can see him continue on within the series. I felt like his purpose was too show a lesson rather then be one that readers can get attached even if he's a side character.
I loved Al too, but Al tried to kill Tris... I wouldn't be nice to him.
Kristen wrote: "(Spoilers)Jumping off a cliff to your death isn't brave. Suicide is an act of cowardice and selfishness, not courage.
I didn't love Al in the beginning of the book, but he started off as one of..."
Yes!!!! Couldn't agree more.
I liked al but he had a thing for tris and she rejected him so he went and kidnapped her? it wasent a smart idea to kill himslf but i dident thinl he was at all those things.
i dont HATE al, i mean he tried to KILL tris! he was a cowered but i was still sad when he died
I have mixed feelings. He seemed nice, but he defiantly changed for the worse. Yes, it's sad what happened to him, but what he did didn't make him brave. It made him more of a coward for not just pressing on like everyone else.
Kristen wrote: Besides, suicide is one of the most selfish things a person can ever do. It's self-pitying and says 'screw you' to anyone and everyone that cares about you. ..."This is something I struggle with (not suicide, but trying to make 'sense' of it, if that is even possible). Every one has a different walk in life, and some people are simply stronger than others. You never know what kind of a life someone else has endured, not matter how well you know them. On the one hand, I agree that it is selfish to kill yourself, leaving those behind who love you hurting, but on the other hand, isn't it selfish to want someone here because it makes you (not you specifically--just a general statement) feel better? I truly believe there are some people who simply cannot conquer their demons and who cannot stand the pain. It sucks, but I think it's just the way it is, and it's the only way out they can see.
I'm sad that he killed himself!!! I really am but on the other hand, what he did to Tris was SO NOT ACCEPTABLE! I mean I get why he did it but it still wasn't okay! But i still cried when he died :'(
Sarah wrote: "Why does everyone hate Al? ..."Because a fine steak is meant to be enjoyed without the silly garnishes!
A1 is just ketchup dressed up for the prom.
Oh, wait... you meant AL as in ALAN? My bad.
The reason I HATE Al is because he was a total sissy. Trisha was more of a man than he was. He killed himself cause he was.. What? Ashamed? Embarrassed? That's just not good enough. He needed to step up and just be a man.
i didnt like al because of what he did to tris. !!! he was being a jerk. i dont see how he could be a favorite character.. no offense. but yeah.
Cameron wrote: "if al didnt try to kill tris then he might of been ok but when he tried to kill her it just ruined his chance to be liked by people"I still love him....
I don't know how I feel about Al. He's complicated.He is a good person, he's just weak.
*spoilers*
First of, his violence against Tris. Second, his suicide. Both of these things were out of character for him. He was just not strong enough to fight against the pressure.
Still, this weakness gives Al a level of reality and he's a good character.
Al was a good realistic character. I think if he had chosen Amity for his faction he would have had a much better "rap" because he would fit the role. For his choice to join Dauntless I put my real feelings into this spoiler. Keep in mind that if you haven't read all the books you might be shocked to read what I have to say. (view spoiler)
This doesn't necessarily relate to Al, just in general.
I agree with that ^^It's not courageous but it's not cowardly.
Sometimes people are also suffering from mental conditions
I'm not saying this about Al, just in general
Ok yes But he premeditated his attempt to kill tris, this was not a hot in the moment action...
he pre thought what he was going to do...
And thinking about killing someone about planning to kill someone takes guts and cowards cant go thru with something like that.
He knew what he was doing when he ended his life. And he choose to run and not face the consequences....
I actually loved Al and was so sad when he killed himself, even though it was something I saw coming, I still hoped I was wrong. I really don't think Al ever intended to KILL Tris; I believe he always really cared about her but was intimidated by her (and hurt by her rejection of him, romantically) so he agreed to scare her because he was so scared of losing his place among the Dauntless. A place he never belonged to begin with, IMO. He was just too sweet/gentle (excepting, of course, the incident with Tris and the chasm) Even then though, he protected her from Peter and Drew. Then when she couldn't forgive him, it was just too much for his ultimately gentle soul to take. =( Yes, I've taken 1 or 2 too many Psychology and Sociology courses.
A bit off topic, but I don't know why people feel the need to label suicides as "cowardly" or "brave" or even "selfish". People commit suicides for a number of reasons, but probably because they experience so much pain and distress that they don't know what to do with it.
I understand his suicide, won't say anything bad about it. But when you get threatened by some one you conquer them not kill them.
I feel like Al wasn't a completely realistic character. I don't believe that someone would actually act that way. I know I'm going to receive many disagreements about this, but it's my opinion. Maybe all the pressure and sudden events were too overwhelming for Al, maybe it would have been for all of us, but would any of us end our lives in less than 24 hours of everything going wrong? Would we not take time to pace ourselves, figure things out, or even give up and become factionless? I just can't seem to understand how someone could even consider suicide unless the other options are impossible, or even mildly unsatisfying. I just don't get it.
Next, I don't hate Al, nor do I admire him in any way. I guess I'm kind of indifferent, but I'm not. I didn't particularly like him either. I don't know how to explain my feelings towards him. He wasn't very important to me.
Lastly, I see that this discussion has really been revolving around Tris' words and actions toward Al, and suicide itself. I think Al did what he did because he wanted acceptance from the other initiates. He may not necessarily have agreed to take out Tris, but he wanted alliance more. I think that took a lot of will from his part, but not for the greater good. This, in itself, was not courage, it was willpower. Therefore, I think Tris' actions and words are justified, and (this may sound harsh) Al wasn't ready for more rejection. Also, I don't think he should have taken it personally. Although he did violate Tris and betray her, she took it personally, so that's how she reacted. Al should have looked back on his actions and tried harder and continued to try to proved himself to Tris to gain back her trust. Instead, he found a loophole. Now, suicide is very complicated. It's an act from hopelessness, something that none of us have ever experienced. Normally, our thoughts related to survival; we may fantasize about danger, but never at the expense of our lives for no particular reason other than depression. Al didn't have that kind of time. Deciding on death is unusual in less than 24 hours. That's my dilemma. That's what I cannot understand. It just doesn't make sense. There are other ways, and I was disappointed to see the outcome of Al's character.
Saying all of this, why did Al even choose Dauntless? He's gentle, kind; he wouldn't hurt a fly. Yet he chose the most ruthless, merciless faction possible. This is also part of my dilemma. This is also why I don't understand his character and makes his character unbelievable to me.
Next, I don't hate Al, nor do I admire him in any way. I guess I'm kind of indifferent, but I'm not. I didn't particularly like him either. I don't know how to explain my feelings towards him. He wasn't very important to me.
Lastly, I see that this discussion has really been revolving around Tris' words and actions toward Al, and suicide itself. I think Al did what he did because he wanted acceptance from the other initiates. He may not necessarily have agreed to take out Tris, but he wanted alliance more. I think that took a lot of will from his part, but not for the greater good. This, in itself, was not courage, it was willpower. Therefore, I think Tris' actions and words are justified, and (this may sound harsh) Al wasn't ready for more rejection. Also, I don't think he should have taken it personally. Although he did violate Tris and betray her, she took it personally, so that's how she reacted. Al should have looked back on his actions and tried harder and continued to try to proved himself to Tris to gain back her trust. Instead, he found a loophole. Now, suicide is very complicated. It's an act from hopelessness, something that none of us have ever experienced. Normally, our thoughts related to survival; we may fantasize about danger, but never at the expense of our lives for no particular reason other than depression. Al didn't have that kind of time. Deciding on death is unusual in less than 24 hours. That's my dilemma. That's what I cannot understand. It just doesn't make sense. There are other ways, and I was disappointed to see the outcome of Al's character.
Saying all of this, why did Al even choose Dauntless? He's gentle, kind; he wouldn't hurt a fly. Yet he chose the most ruthless, merciless faction possible. This is also part of my dilemma. This is also why I don't understand his character and makes his character unbelievable to me.
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