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Can't make Word accept new fonts - anyone know how?
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Sorry, I can't help but I'm sure one of our helpful geeks will be along.
I thought I was a helpful geek but not too sure on this... if you go on home tab, under the header is styles, then there is apply styles and modify. May be able to do some magic there? If not, I'm sure someone else will come along with the answers :)
My experience of Word is that it just seems to pick up new fonts like a dog acquiring fleas. Stopping it would be the problem
I think this is one of those odd microsoft things where you need to change settings in control panel and not Word. I found this for you:https://support.office.com/en-us/arti...
If you google something like "add new fonts to word" there are several websites telling you how to do this.
Ah, I should have specified: Mac computer, Office 2011.The fonts, properly installed in the root directory, do not show up on the font menu IN WORD. They show up fine in Scrivener and Pixelmator - where I can do anything I want with them.
Styles in Word works with the same list of fonts that is available in the main writing section.
The fonts I want to see are otf, not ttf - I have read that Word only uses the ttf fonts, but can't locate a definitive answer on that, either.
I checked the preferences in Word - nothing having to do with fonts that was useful.
I emptied caches and restarted several time during the process - nothing showed up in Word that hadn't been there before.
I'll give it one more try tomorrow, and then probably give up and go with a similar font to what I want. But it irks me to see it in the other programs on the Mac, and not Word.
Thanks!
Looking into the problem, Alicia, I think Will's answer is probably your most likely resource. Windows support for Mac is notoriously limited, mainly because people tend to use Pages or similar Mac specific applications. I don't have any experience with installing a new font to Word for Mac, but the answer seems to make sense.
Good luck.
Rosemary (The Nosemanny) wrote: "If you're on a Mac why on earth are you using Word?? ;)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfxmu..."
Why Word?
I use Scrivener, and had no trouble getting a clean epub and mobi out of it, except that I had to go in and edit the final CSS and HTML files to get my right indents for quotes. And beautiful they look. But when I am trying to produce the pdf for the POD version, Scrivener - which is NOT a word processor - has a flaw: it does not do widows and orphans control, and it doesn't handle hyphenation. It left me with a one-word page!
So the plan is to product a .doc or .rtf or .docx file which will include almost everything I need, and the touch it up in a word processor. I know Word, I HAVE Word, and I WILL win. Bit of a pyrrhic victory in the fonts department so far (which would require me to insert the chapter headings I want as IMAGES, if I insist on them).
I can create competent; I would like to create beautiful.
Because I know Word, is probably the most important. I have ONE pdf to produce and then I can go back to completely ignoring Word for the foreseeable future (the 2011 version gives me hives, and there is no way I'm going to pay for and use an online version).
Rosemary (The Nosemanny) wrote: "If you're on a Mac why on earth are you using Word?? ;)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfxmu..."
I watched. I learned. I tried - and serendipity gave me some interesting answers. The video says, 'Drag the font into the Windows Compatible collection.'
Ah! I tried it, moved the four fonts I have licenses to use - and want to use - not to the Computer collection (which wouldn't let me, and which had been someone else's suggestion), but to the Windows compatible one.
Then I opened Word with my fingers crossed - and found TWO of the fonts (unfortunately, not the two I really wanted) now show up in Windows.
After a bit of frustration, I decided to go look at each font individually, and I think I have a partial answer: The ttf font and the Postscript font both tranferred - but the two otf fonts (Goudy Serial and Sorts Mill Goudy) did NOT.
So that makes sense: Windows can't handle otf fonts (I've seen that written somewhere before), but you CAN transfer fonts in. As long as they are ttf (and/or Postscript).
One possibility: go see if the font company where I licensed Goudy Serial from has a ttf version.
Another: quit, and use Book Antiqua (my backup font).
I'll let you know if there is a ttf version, and whether that works.
I now understand, sort of, fonts far more than I ever wanted to.
Many thanks, Rosemary.
Will wrote: "Does this help?https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/k..."
Sorry, but that does not - it just says:
"Third-party fonts are not directly supported in Microsoft Office for Mac applications. Some third-party fonts may work in one application and not in another. Other third-party fonts are installed in a “family.” A family usually consists of the third-party font itself together with some or all of its variations (bold, italic, etc.). Sometimes, a font may be displayed in Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Microsoft Excel, or Microsoft Entourage, but you may be unable to use one of its variations, such as italic."
It also says they don't provide support if you go off on your own on fonts (obviously, not creative-friendly, not that I blame them with all the platforms Word is on).
Thank you all.I then noticed that I had lost my Times New Roman bold! In OTHER applications on my computer.
So I have retreated: I went to my backup drive, brought the Microsoft font folder BACK to the Library/Fonts/ in my root directory, will copy the Times New Roman fonts back into fonts (and any others I may have accidentally deleted), and am slowly backing away, bowing low to the MS gods, and hoping they don't blast me further for having the temerity to interfere with their system.
I hope this will be the end of it (unless I manage to find a ttf version of the Goudy Serial).
Isn't self-publishing fun!
Glad you have achieved at least partial success. Like most of these things, there is usually a way around - if you are persistent. :)
Rosemary (The Nosemanny) wrote: "Glad you have achieved at least partial success. Like most of these things, there is usually a way around - if you are persistent. :)"Yes, ma'am - and I've learned my lesson. Don't mess with MS.
I may still win if there is a ttf Goudy Serial - and I WILL look - but I have escaped mostly unscathed.
And, if absolutely necessary, I can use the Mac Time Machine (which has saved my bacon before) and go back in time to before I meddled with the fonts files.
Time Machine is a gift from the gods, tis true.
Time Machine it is - I have messed the whole thing up too badly to be manually fixed.Bowing low and slowly walking backward again.
Thought you might like to know: Goudy Serial is NOT available as anything but otf, so I have lost the battle to get it into Word.True wisdom consists in knowing when to quit. I quit.
Thank you all again for the detailed and timely help.
Alicia
You could try Baskerville which I think looks quite similar to Goudy serial
SHOCKER:I have no idea what I have done - I thought I had lost big time, because I attempted to get MS Word to accept my Goudy OTF fonts, and I thought I had destroyed my fonts completely.
I went back with the Time Machine - and thought I'd messed the whole thing up. I did end up using the backup file of MS fonts from the Hard Drive.
Instead, SOMEHOW, I have everything I need AND Word has Goudy Serial AND Sorts Mill Goudy INSTALLED AND USABLE.
Will wonders never cease!
The only problem? I have NO idea how I did it!
At one point I had even lost Times New Roman. From Scrivener.
Sample (can't see here because of Goodreads font choices but perfect in Scrivener AND in Word):
GOUDY SERIAL XBOLD AND Sorts Mill Goudy
I am so damn lucky - thank you so much, Lord!
I'm laughing my head off. I couldn't repeat this if you paid me. It involved backup files I didn't even know I HAD from when I changed computers.
I am feeling very rich and very thankful right now.
Now get back to work: POD setups don't write themselves, you know.
Rosemary (The Nosemanny) wrote: "You could try Baskerville which I think looks quite similar to Goudy serial"The original problem (that was my original intent) is that Word doesn't have Baskerville.
If it had, I would not have gone down the rabbit hole.
But I'm really, really lucky - this could have gone any number of ways, most of them bad.
One last bit (I know, can't shut up): Word DID take the otf Goudy Serial font and Old Sorts Goudy otf font.So it just means there is no obvious easy path. And each one may or may not work. Correlation is not causation, and all that.
In all my years working in IT, I have learned to be thankful for such strange and unexplainable fixes.Sometimes I just hate computers.
Can't live with them - can't live without them.Don't know where we'd be - but without the flexibility from the human side of the interface, all of these encounters would end in disaster.
I don't believe in AI - hope I'm proved wrong. The problem is that the ANSWER varies depending on the SITUATION - and even expert humans can't quantify that perfectly.
I'm taking my win and banking it.
And I just solved gutter margins, too - and am feeling way too cocky.
Very pleased it worked out for you Alicia!
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Very pleased it worked out for you Alicia!"Thanks, Patti. This DIY stuff can get hair-raising. It's about all I accomplished today, but I'll take it.
It irks me - not strictly necessary, but it should be MY choice which font to use for headers, not its.
Thanks for any and all help. And sympathy.
Alicia