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message 151: by JoCo (new)

JoCo Kyle wrote: "This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then."

not cared for much. They still cared.


CoffeyQ Another example of Dialogue inside the book The Outsiders that I felt was really important was when Johnny told Ponyboy to stay gold, right before when he died.


message 153: by Ryan (last edited Dec 04, 2015 11:07AM) (new)

Ryan Kyle wrote: "This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then."

Kyle is right, some people encouraged things like belting and beating, as long as it wasn't fatal, because that was the kind of discipline back then.


message 154: by Divson (new) - rated it 5 stars

Divson 25 Kyle wrote: "This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then."

That is a good piont


CoffeyQ Something that I found to be very important in the book was also Time Period like Kyle had brought up because the difference in what we did now and what we would've done back then is a lot different as more and more items have been released. One example of this in the outsiders is when the cops kill Dally as this would not happen in this day and age.


message 156: by Ryan (new)

Ryan RyanCoffeyq wrote: "Another example of Dialogue inside the book The Outsiders that I felt was really important was when Johnny told Ponyboy to stay gold, right before when he died."

I agree. This meant something to both of them on the church too. The church, the hospital, and his note, where he explained the poem to Ponyboy, makes "stay gold" a really important piece of dialogue.


message 157: by Sydney (new) - added it

Sydney Fader i agree, when I finally put the pieces together, with the note and the poem and Johnny's last words it gave me chills


message 158: by JoCo (new)

JoCo Ryan wrote: "Kyle wrote: "This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then."

Kyle is write, some people encouraged thin..."


Yes, but not the amount that Johnny's parents did.


message 159: by BiGBEN (new)

BiGBEN JoCo wrote: "Ryan wrote: "Kyle wrote: "This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then."

Kyle is write, some people en..."

I don't think it would matter how much Johnny's parents abused Johnny. Child abuse just wasn't a thing.


message 160: by Divson (new) - rated it 5 stars

Divson 25 Sydney that is true, especially because Johnny never knew about Dally's death which makes it so sad.


CoffeyQ How about when the Socs jumped the greasers in the park, I felt that a lot of important dialogue occurred in that short time, one of them was the conflict between Johnny and the rest of the Socs when he stabbed Bob, as this made them all flee and fear Johnny for committing murder... "revenge"


message 162: by JoCo (new)

JoCo BiGBEN wrote: "JoCo wrote: "Ryan wrote: "Kyle wrote: "This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then."

Kyle is write, s..."

Thank you, BiGBEN.


message 163: by Sydney (new) - added it

Sydney Fader I think child abuse was cared about back then, I think no one paid that much attention to it because he was a greaser


CleaPatra Kyle wrote: "This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then."

A perfectly valid point! But I feel it also undermines the whole "Johnny's mom cares about him" argument. I mean, parents who abuse their children never truly love them. If they did care in the least, they wouldn't abuse the kid in the first place. Why? Because they actually care for the kid, even if child abuse is legal.

In fact, child abuse not being illegal is the reason why she blames the gang. It's not because they made Johnny cruel, or even because she cares at all. It's because child cruelty wasn't illegal. She was not willing to take the blame for Johnny's death because she thought she did nothing wrong.


message 165: by Sydney (new) - added it

Sydney Fader I agree with you Ryan, all the dialogue that was said in the park that night, is very good evidence to support the idea of revenge.


message 166: by BiGBEN (new)

BiGBEN Sydney wrote: "i agree, when I finally put the pieces together, with the note and the poem and Johnny's last words it gave me chills"
Though this was a very short scene it makes the reader fill up in different emotions. It was written very well.


CoffeyQ I also felt that when the gang is initially leaving the hospital when they first see Johnny is important based of the dialogue between Two-Bit and Johnny's mom
"No wonder he hates your guts"


message 168: by Joshua (new)

Joshua Smith Kyle wrote :"This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then. "

THough it was still illegel


message 169: by Ben (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ben I agree Josh


message 170: by JoCo (last edited Dec 07, 2015 10:58AM) (new)

JoCo Joshua wrote: "Kyle wrote :"This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then. "

THough it was still illegel"


illegal.


message 171: by Kyle (last edited Dec 09, 2015 08:22AM) (new)

Kyle Chang JoCo wrote: "Joshua wrote: "Kyle wrote :"This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then. "

THough it was still illege..."


The first organization dedicated to child protection in the U.S. was made in 1875.

Clea wrote: "Kyle wrote: "This isn't current times. The book takes place in the 60s so things were different back then, child abuse was not cared for much back then."

A perfectly valid point! But I feel it als..."


Why would it matter if she was blamed? And if she thought she did nothing wrong, why would she care that much?


CleaPatra Kyle wrote: "Why would it matter if she was blamed? And if she thought she did nothing wrong, why would she care that much? "

Simple. It might not matter to her personally, but it would matter to everyone else. Therefore, they would shun her. She would become somewhat of an outcast at best, or a public enemy at worst.

Also, she doesn't care. The only reason she bothered to even show up was so she would seem like a good parent.


message 173: by JoCo (new)

JoCo Clea wrote: "Kyle wrote: "Why would it matter if she was blamed? And if she thought she did nothing wrong, why would she care that much? "

Simple. It might not matter to her personally, but it would matter to ..."


Thank you.


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