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Dialogue in The Outsiders
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Guys, we got off-track. Let's get back to the original quesstion; Dialogue in The Outsiders is clearly present and helps to contribute to the development of the story. Does anybody care to chat about it?
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Clea wrote: I defiantly agree that the dialogue is powerful. It is especially present in Darry and Ponyboy's fight scene (Where Ponyboy runs away) and at Johnny's death. It shows just how meaningful dialogue is in this book. Bringing it to light in a discussion makes it even more meaningful. Even though there are a few too many for one topic. "I think that Johnny's parents to kind of care. When Johnny's mom come to the hospital, she says "'But I have a right to see him. He's my son.
After all the trouble his father and I've gone to to raise him, this is our reward: He'd rather
see those no-count hoodlums than his own folks...' She saw us and gave us such a look of
hatred that I almost backed up. 'It was your fault. Always running around in the middle
of the night getting jailed and heaven knows what else...'" (pg. 123). This shows that Johnny's mom thinks she has cared for him and would rather have Johnny lover her than hang out with the gang. Additionally, she hates the gang because she thinks that they are the reason Johnny dies meaning that she does really love Johnny.
I feel that dialogue in The Outsiders is clearly present. To me, I feel that it helps to contribute to the development of the story. Because of this, I think that by using different dialogue for a variety characters, it can really bring out their true human beings, their inner emotions and outer emotions, and how they react in certain situations. What do u guys think?
I agree Jamie! I thought of this:I think that Johnny's mom do have some sense of care in Johnny's well-being. When Johnny's mom come to the hospital, she says "'But I have a right to see him. He's my son. After all the trouble his father and I've gone to to raise him, this is our reward: He'd rather
see those no-count hoodlums than his own folks...' She saw us and gave us such a look of hatred that I was so flabbergasted. Also, it says, 'It was your fault. Always running around in the middle of the night getting jailed and heaven knows what else...'" (pg. 123). This shows that Johnny's mom thinks she had previously cared for him, and that she would much rather have Johnny love her than hang out with the gang. Additionally, she has a burning hatred the gang because she thinks that they are the reason Johnny dies. Thus, it shows the meaning that she does really love Johnny, even if Hinton doesn't make us think that. Anyone agree??
Kyle wrote: I think that Johnny's parents to kind of care. When Johnny's mom come to the hospital, she says "'But I have a right to see him. He's my son.After all the trouble his father and I've gone to...
I disagree. Johnny's parents had seemed as if they cared, but there is the fact that they ignored him for most of his life, and hit him for the rest of it. They tried to seem as if they cared when they were at the hospital, but it is just an act for the other people there. In reality, they care about him only slightly more than you would care about an ant.
The dialogue between Soda and Ponyboy throughout the book, you can really see how much they care for each other. Do you guys agree?
Divson wrote: "The dialogue between Soda and Ponyboy throughout the book, you can really see how much they care for each other. Do you guys agree?"I do agree.
The dialogue between Soda and Ponyboy though the book is extremely powerful and you can see that they care for each other. Do you guys agree?
I do also but do you think that you can find any examples of that preferably towards the conclusion of the story?
I agree with you Divson 25. I think that dialogue really brings out there inner character.
I think dialogue is present in The Outsiders too! One example of this is when Two-Bit says," Who you calling bums" and "pity the back seat" both on page 45. This shows that Two-bit is very aggressive and ready for a fight at all times.
Oh yes Ben, especially when they talk after Pony and Darry's fight when soda runs away
Good lad for tearing our loud I meant quotes not just examples.
Towards the end of the book, Ponyboy was sick and had a concussion, and one of the Soc. Randy came to visit him. During this visit Ponyboy was saying how Johnny didn't kill Bob but he did. As the reader, you know this is not true, so I looked at this more carefully. In my perspective on the situation, I decided that Ponyboy must be going through an internal conflict. Internal conflict is a problem going through a characters head. His internal conflict is dealing with the fact Johnny is dead and he actually killed Bob, not himself. What do you guys think?
I think you were looking for Cherrio such as the rather splendid brand of fruit loops.
I agree with you Darren because he is trying not to talk about Johnny's death and try and talk himself out of it
Darren wrote: "Towards the end of the book, Ponyboy was sick and had a concussion, and one of the Soc. Randy came to visit him. During this visit Ponyboy was saying how Johnny didn't kill Bob but he did. As the r..."I think that is a good internal conflict, but that isn't exactly the internal conflict. Ponyboy's internal conflict is that Johnny is dead. Him thinking that Johnny is still alive and that he killed Bob was his coping mechanism. It probably would have driven him insane, though.
What if It was Ponyboy's concussion talking. I know it's not really true but just a thought.
BiGBEN wrote: "What if It was Ponyboy's concussion talking. I know it's not really true but just a thought."That is a good idea.
Why that is a delightful idea Ben never be afraid to share yo dreams bro-Ben Goldsteinn
Maybe Lord BENSON but i think it is possible too that he was on medication to heel him or something
Darren that was a splendid idea.
Fruit salad is quite splendid
Kyle wrote: "This shows that Johnny's mom thinks she has cared for him and would rather have Johnny lover her than hang out with the gang. Additionally, she hates the gang because she thinks that they are the reason Johnny dies meaning that she does really love Johnny. "While Johnny's parents (mostly his mom, based on the argument stated above)probably do love Johnny, they seem to go about in the wrong way. I mean, it is made pretty clear that they either don't know or don't care that he sleeps in a vacant lot most of the time. And Johnny's mom never protested against the fact that he was jumped by, and eventually killed Bob.
Most of all, Johnny's mom thinks this is the gang's fault, which she literally said like this "It was your fault." She obviously is unwilling to admit that constantly yelling at him wasn't good parenting. She also seems pretty oblivious that Johnny actually cares. I mean, he DID ask if she was worried about him when returning from the old church. Which, unsurprisingly, she wasn't. If the gang was to be blamed for anything, it's making sure that Johnny's life was as good as possible.
[Clea wrote: Kyle wrote: "This shows that Johnny's mom thinks she has cared for him and would rather have Johnny lover her than hang out with the gang. Additionally, she hates the gang because she thinks that they are the reason Johnny dies meaning that she does really love Johnny. "While Johnny's parents (mostly his mom, based on the argument stated above)probably do love Johnny, they seem to go about in the wrong way. I mean, it is made pretty clear that they either don't know or don't care that he sleeps in a vacant lot most of the time. And Johnny's mom never protested against the fact that he was jumped by, and eventually killed Bob.
Most of all, Johnny's mom thinks this is the gang's fault, which she literally said like this "It was your fault." She obviously is unwilling to admit that constantly yelling at him wasn't good parenting. She also seems pretty oblivious that Johnny actually cares. I mean, he DID ask if she was worried about him when returning from the old church. Which, unsurprisingly, she wasn't. If the gang was to be blamed for anything, it's making sure that Johnny's life was as good as possible. ]
When Johnny's mom blames the gang it is because she does care that Johnny died, if she didn't care she wouldn't even go to the hospital. Also, why would she protest that Bob jumped, and got killed by Bob.
[Josh wrote: Kyle wrote: I think that Johnny's parents to kind of care. When Johnny's mom come to the hospital, she says "'But I have a right to see him. He's my son.
After all the trouble his father and I've gone to...
I disagree. Johnny's parents had seemed as if they cared, but there is the fact that they ignored him for most of his life, and hit him for the rest of it. They tried to seem as if they cared when they were at the hospital, but it is just an act for the other people there. In reality, they care about him only slightly more than you would care about an ant. ]
If Johnny's mom didn't care at all, then she would not even had gone to visit Johnny. She does care about his life to some degree even if she is a very bad parent.
Kyle wrote: "[Clea wrote: Kyle wrote: "This shows that Johnny's mom thinks she has cared for him and would rather have Johnny lover her than hang out with the gang. Additionally, she hates the gang because she ..."I disagree with you Kyle. Johnny's mom only called him a prize to earn things. It said that in the book.
I like fruit salad. It has fruits in it, which I like.
I understand your point Kyle but for all we know, she was going to yell at them. She didn't even ask Ponyboy and Two-bit is he was OK.
Kyle wrote: "[Clea wrote: Kyle wrote: "This shows that Johnny's mom thinks she has cared for him and would rather have Johnny lover her than hang out with the gang. Additionally, she hates the gang because she ..."Actually, Kyle, Johnny's mother went to Johnny while he was in the hospital because if she didn't, it would be known that she doesn't care. She went to mask the fact that he really doesn't care. If she truly cared, she wouldn't be saying such bad things when he was in the hospital. Remember, they barely even acknowledged his existence when he was in his own house. Why would they suddenly care about him? Also, if they really cared, they would have at least shown that they knew he existed before the accident. They didn't even care when he ran away. Why would they care now? They also had to show up to pay the hospital bill, and if they didn't request to visit him, it would seem as if they were bad parents, which they were. They just didn't want anyone else knowing that.
Liam, would you please provide the page number please
I agree with that Josh
I don't think that Johnny's mom played a bog part in the bool at all, but I think that the way she was talking to Two-Bit and Ponyboy played a roll.
Josh, she does not care, just because she went to the hospital does not mean she cares. We know throughout the book, she doesn't care
I disagree with you Josh. If Johnny's mom didn't go then it would represent that she doesn't care, not the other way around.
Do you guys think Johnny's parents found out about his death? If so, do you think they cried or did they just not care?
Maybe she tries to act like she cares in front of different people.
Divson wrote: "Josh, she does not care, just because she went to the hospital does not mean she cares. We know throughout the book, she doesn't care"I was saying throughout my post that Johnny's mom doesn't care.
Divson wrote: "Liam, would you please provide the page number please"It was the page when the mean woman said, "Me and his father raised him, we should at least get a prize out of him."
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