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I love Ngaio Marsh!"
I've read about 5 of hers so far and enjoyed them all.


I've read that one but can't seem to remember it.
I'm reading A Test of Wills by mother and son team Charles Todd, the first in the Inspector Rutledge series.
I had high hopes for this one, as it is set in the 1920s and features a detective with PTSD, so it seemed ideal to read after The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club by Dorothy L. Sayers , but so far I'm disappointed - it's very slow and repetitive, and all the dialogue is rather samey.
There are also an awful lot of American turns of phrase for a book supposedly set in 1920s Britain, though this is a more minor point.
I had high hopes for this one, as it is set in the 1920s and features a detective with PTSD, so it seemed ideal to read after The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club by Dorothy L. Sayers , but so far I'm disappointed - it's very slow and repetitive, and all the dialogue is rather samey.
There are also an awful lot of American turns of phrase for a book supposedly set in 1920s Britain, though this is a more minor point.
I read that a while ago and didn't much like it either, Judy. At least, I never read the next in the series.

SO glad you enjoyed it, Rebecca! I will say that the first book is not the best (although very good) and the author did change Shardlake's 'sidekick' in later books. I think you will enjoy the series if you read on.

Really? Wow if the first book is not the best I am definitely more excited to read the rest because I could not put it down. I will be continuing on. As soon as I finished I went online and bought the next two books! I understand why you like it so much, it was really one of the best reads I have had this year.

I had high hopes for this one, as it is set in the 1920s and..."
I like the series. Actually I like both of their series. I wouldn't notice American turn of phrases since I am American.
It is a rare series showing someone working though suffering from PTSD.

I will go with Judy here and say that I really dislike Americanisms in books where they shouldn't be. I read a mystery set in Victorian London once which mentioned, 'sidewalks' and 'cookies.' I said this in a review and some people agreed with me and others were not bothered. In the same way, I wouldn't expect 'pavements' and 'biscuits' in a American book, I expect language to be correct - both to the place and the time period.
I can't remember the book well enough, but I know I never read the second in the series and I wonder now whether that was one of the reasons? Does it bother anyone else - Jan you may say you wouldn't notice American phrases as you are American, but would you expect to find a 'cookie' in Victorian London?!
I can't remember the book well enough, but I know I never read the second in the series and I wonder now whether that was one of the reasons? Does it bother anyone else - Jan you may say you wouldn't notice American phrases as you are American, but would you expect to find a 'cookie' in Victorian London?!
In this book it's mainly just the same couple of American terms which keep cropping up repeatedly, ie characters saying "gotten" and the use of "drapes" instead of "curtains". No cookies or sidewalks! To be honest, though, I might not have worried about this at all if the book overall was grabbing me more - as it is, I'm finding it a slight distraction.
I'm interested to hear you both enjoy this series, Jan and Betsy - can I ask, did you like the first book, or did it get better later on? I know sometimes I'm tempted to give up after one book of a series, only to discover that it really gets into its stride later!
I'm interested to hear you both enjoy this series, Jan and Betsy - can I ask, did you like the first book, or did it get better later on? I know sometimes I'm tempted to give up after one book of a series, only to discover that it really gets into its stride later!

Thanks, Betsy - I'm about halfway through now so I'll keep going and hope to enjoy the second half more.

I agree with you - that puts me off a book. If it is American and set in America - that's fine but if it's set in England then the language should be correct for that country and that time period.

Damaskcat wrote: "I agree with you - that puts me off a book. If it is American and set in America - that's fine but if it's set in England then the language should be correct for that country and that time period. ..."
And the geography should be correct. I've said before in a similar discussion that I tend to steer away from American authors writing English regency style books after one dreadful example where the hero galloped from Cornwall to Yorkshire and back in less time than I could do it today with modern transport, and still found time to dig up his wife's father and rebury him along with having a headstone prepared with-my other pet hate - the wife's name as "maiden name- married name"

I agree with you. It's just one of the basic things that an author should get right. If a book is set in a particular place or time period, then the appropriate language should be used.
Jay-Me wrote: And the geography should be correct. I've said before in a similar discussion that I tend to steer away from American authors writing English regency style books after one dreadful example where the hero galloped from Cornwall to Yorkshire and back in less time than I could do it today with modern transport, and still found time to dig up his wife's father and rebury him along with having a headstone prepared with-my other pet hate - the wife's name as "maiden name- married name"
Yes, England is small, but not that small!
Yes, England is small, but not that small!



I think it really helps to read books written and published at the time, from Evelina to Jane Austen. One gets a feel for the rhythm of the language, as well as the vocabulary and usage. And reading several Georgette Heyer novels would also help -- she's very accurate on everything to do with the period.

Yes, you’ve listed some of my favorites! One of the stories in my series involves Fanny Burney, so I do read her a lot (and have read Austen and Heyer over and over since my teens). Evelina has some great set-pieces with good dialogue; and I have made a big file of vocabulary and phrases that she used. Right now I’m plowing through the 700-odd pages of the Parliamentary record for 1800 so as to get more of an ear for how men might talk about the issues of the day. I admit that the research part is more fun than the writing part!

Now that is real dedication! I suggested Heyer because, when I studied English Literature in "the long eighteenth century", I was amazed to discover how much of the vocabulary I already knew just from reading her Regency romances. I was also conversant with the way that ton society operated, and even things like different carriages etc. (let alone clothing), just from her books. I seriously recommend reading her Regency romances to anyone studying the period, as an enjoyable way of immersing oneself in the minutiae. We can benefit from all the primary research which she did!

Cookies vs. biscuits? We have cookies and biscuits but they are totally different. I don't know what the British call cookies. Do they have chocolate chip biscuits? I suppose that I might notice if it said what kind of cookies/biscuits were involved. Cookies are snacks or desserts. Biscuits are for breakfast or to be eaten with dinner (usually the more formal or celebratory kind; also known as rolls.
Curtains vs. drapes? We use both, pretty much interchangeably. Curtains may only reach to the window sill whereas drapes will usually reach the floor.
I did enjoy the first book immensely. And most of the books since. Although I have been reading A Long Shadow for quite a while. It is currently the book I carry around in my purse and I don't seem to be pulling it out very often to read.

Me too- both language errors and historical ones as well. Faucet vs Tap is another...
Though this is in a different context, sometime last year I read this book based on the Ramayana which had the characters talking in almost modern language- completely out of place and it was rather off-putting.
It seems a small thing to have the incorrect language, but if it jars historically or geographically, there is a problem and authors should be sensitive to that. I would expect an author writing a historical mystery to check mistakes. I know an American author who writes a series of books (not mysteries) set in Liverpool and she always gets people from Liverpool/England (including myself) to read them before being published to check slang terms, etc. It seems a reasonable thing to do if you want to do it properly.

We don't use the word "cookie" in the UK even now, except to reflect an American influence. Our biscuits are your cookies. We don't have or eat your biscuits.
We never use "drapes" in the sense of "curtains", and I remember this really jarring when I read one Regency book which used "drapes" (I had to look it up).

We don't use the word "cookie" in the UK even now, except to reflect an American influence. Our biscuits are your cookies. We don't have ..."
Not sure whether Wilde or Shaw said it first - two countries divided by a single language.


I've read one by her before- it wasn't bad but since the denouement came about half way through the book, the rest seemed too stretched out.
I have just started The Hanging Club by Tony Parsons - the latest in a contemporary crime series which is very good.

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#2 Partners in Crime
#3 N or M?
#4 By the Pricking of My Thumbs
#5 Postern of Fate
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Tommy and Tuppence- I love those two. The last one I didn't like too much but after reading Agatha Christie's autobio, it began to make more sense.
I also love the original Nancy Drew stories and still read them from time to time.
I just started it too, Lady Clementina. I haven't read it before, so this is my first encounter with Harriet Vane. Very exciting!
I'm just reading Georgette Heyer's second Superintendent Hannasyde mystery, Behold, Here's Poison, and so far finding it very witty, but hard to tell some of the characters apart! I'm not all that far in yet, though.
I was surprised to see that the solicitor from Death in the Stocks, Giles Carrington, who I think was everyone's favourite character, turns up again here - hoping he gets a chance to do some sleuthing! I wonder if Heyer ever considered turning him into her series detective?
I was surprised to see that the solicitor from Death in the Stocks, Giles Carrington, who I think was everyone's favourite character, turns up again here - hoping he gets a chance to do some sleuthing! I wonder if Heyer ever considered turning him into her series detective?

I suspect she did,then decided to stick with Hannasyde & Hemingway. I'm still trying to acquire some of her mysteries - none have tuned up at my work for quite a while.

Ha! I could get the lot but I'm too

Mine too- I've only read about three Sayers books before and none of those have Vane.

Ha! I could get the lot but I'm too cheap frugal to pay retail. I did acquire Penhallow at our town's dump shop a few mo..."
I liked Penhallow very much- it doesn't really qualify as a mystery as much as a character study but it was really good.
Also reading Sharon Bolton's new book Daisy in Chains
. REALLY good so far - anyone else like her books?

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