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The rape reenactment scene
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The fact that Jamie physically took pleasure from being inseminated by another man, albeit forcibly made him question his own sexuality.
Tim wrote: "After watching two rape scenes in a single episode of the series based on these books that included a sharp blade pressed into a woman's bare nipple, I concluded this is not a story I care to follo..."I had to laugh a little on your comment but I have to say I totally agree with you. Im am actually shocked that rape nowadays is just shown on popular tv shows like this and Gameofthrone I really wonder what kind of message this is sending to society. Anyways Totally enjoyed your comment on the whole thing!
I know this discussion is three years old. But i cant remember something. My best friend is saying a reviewer talks about how jamie rapes claire in the first book and she doesnt support that. I dont remember him raping her, can someone help?
Akemi wrote: "I know this discussion is three years old. But i cant remember something. My best friend is saying a reviewer talks about how jamie rapes claire in the first book and she doesnt support that. I don..."It's the chapter in which Jamie and Claire return to the castle as newly weds and have an argument. There is a sex scene and at the end of that sex scene Jamie says something like that in order to claim Claire's soul, to master her, he has to lose his own to her as well. I actually read a thread of Goodreads about that scene in which some readers were saying it was rape and others were saying that it wasn't and it made me curious enough to read the book. I actually don't think it was rape but that Claire is a bit of a Sado Masochist and at the end of that chapter she says something like the fact that that is something Frank didn't work out about her but Jamie did. I can't find the book and I read it a while ago so can't quote exactly what was in that scene. .
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It is not an uncommon occurrence for rape victims to feel pleasure during rape. Some even orgasm. It can make the experience even more confusing and make the recipient feel betrayed by their own body.
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"The...first time, he was verra careful with me. He used oil, and took a long time, rubbing it all over me...touchin' me gentle in all my parts. I could no more stop myself rising to his touch than I could stop myself bleeding when he cut me." Jamie's voice was weary and wretched with despair. He paused, and looked directly at me for the first time since I had come in.
"Claire, I did not want to think of you. I couldna bear to be there, naked, and...like that...and to remember loving you. It was blasphemy. I meant to wipe you from my mind, and only to...exist, so long as I must. But he would not allow it." Wetness shone on his cheeks, but he was not crying now.
"He talked. All during it, he talked to me. Partly it was threats, and partly it was love talk, but often it was you."
"Me?" My voice, unused for so long, came out of my strained throat as little more than a croak. He nodded, looking down at the pillow again.
"Aye. He was most terribly jealous of you, you know."
"No. No, I didn't know."
He nodded again. "Oh, yes. He would ask me--while he touched me--he would ask, 'Does she do this for you? Can your woman r-rouse you like this?" His voice trembled. "I wouldna answer him--I couldn't. And then, he'd ask how I thought you would feel to see me...to see me..." He bit his lip hard, unable to go on for a moment.
"He'd hurt me a bit, then stop and love me 'til I began to rouse...and then he'd hurt me fierce and take me in the midst of the hurting. And all the time, he would talk of you, and keep you before my eyes. I fought, in my mind...I tried to keep myself from him, to keep my mind apart from my body, but the pain broke through, again and again, past every barrier I could put up. I tried, Claire--God, I tried so hard, but......it's all linked for me now. I canna think of you, Claire, even of kissing you or touching your hand, without feeling the fear and the pain and the sickness come back. I lie here feeling that I will die without your touch, but when you touch me, I feel as though I will vomit with shame and loathing of myself. I canna even see you now without......"I will love you as long as I live, but I cannot be your husband any longer. And I will not be less to you." His face began to break apart. "Claire, I want you so badly that my bones shake in my body, but God help me, I am afraid to touch you!"
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