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message 1: by Feliks, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
I didn't think I could find as detailed an survey of intelligence ops, '40s-'50s-'60s as I have just discovered. Usually they are either very manual-like (Such as Orlov's) or too political (like Dulles).

All you aspiring espionage authors, this work of nonfiction has all the fine-grain minutiae you could ask for. The author is a Pulitzer winner and he shows it in spades.

I'll be delving into it ASAP and let you know what I find.


message 2: by Feliks, Moderator (last edited Nov 01, 2015 10:42AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
Generated some fresh book titles for our shelves, at the very least..some classic nonfiction I'm glad to gather together in one spot:

'Soviet Espionage' by David Dallin (a history of their intel services down through the decades)

'Turncoats, Traitors And Heroes' by John Blakeless (American Revolutionary war, War of 1812, & Spanish American war espionage)

'Secret Missions: The Story of an Intelligence Officer' by Ellis Zacharias (a U.S. navy spy, 1908 - 1946)

'This Deception' autobio of Soviet female spy Hede Massing


message 3: by Feliks, Moderator (last edited Oct 30, 2015 06:41PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
Chapter 3 and 4 are kind of dry; but only because the characters themselves are dry. The author goes over the Judy Coplon case and the Harry Gold case in exacting detail. Still, good fodder for a writer to draw upon; though the tradecraft used by these amateurs is lame.

Chapter 5 covers Wild Bill Donovan and the OSS. Much more colorful.

Additionally, the career of Allen Foster Dulles is examined; (I believe the Dulles family gives Charles McCarry the model for his 'waspish, Yale-educated, skull&bones club, Massachussets spy family') in
The Last Supper (Paul Christopher #5) by Charles McCarry
The Last Supper

6 treats of the early NSA; 7 describes 'dirty-tricks' on both sides.

Chapter 8 addresses the case of the GRU's Colonel Rudolf Abel


message 4: by [deleted user] (new)

Felix... Who are you?


message 5: by Feliks, Moderator (last edited Oct 30, 2015 06:36PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
eh, 'just a drip' who 'enjoys a few nips', with 'a few pips', I reckon.

"..he's just a man like any other man... only, more so" Smiley

Smiley
"He was born with the gift of laughter and the sense that the world was mad"
--'Scaramouche', Rafael Sabatini


message 6: by Feliks, Moderator (last edited Oct 30, 2015 06:45PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
another title:

Strategic Intelligence and National Decisions

It is this author, soldier, and statesman: Roger Hilsman whom I believe is the likely model for the character of Barney in that same fine McCarry novel listed above.


message 7: by Feliks, Moderator (last edited Oct 31, 2015 08:16AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
Uh oh. Found a book mentioned by de Gramont which is apparently not listed anywhere on Amazon or Goodreads.

'The Soviet Secret Police' by A.E. Andreevich. Published 1953.

If any of you book-sleuths cares to lend a hand tracking this down, that'd be mighty swell of ya


message 8: by [deleted user] (new)

Not sure about a hard copy... A friend, a book friend is making gentle inquires. But try "Google" searching, Andreevich + secret police. Then inspect the first hit...


http://complit.dukejournals.org/conte...

Happy hunting my friend.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
That first one is a nifty link. Thanks Jimbo!


message 10: by [deleted user] (new)

Felix, here is an exchange with a very qualified "looker". Richard always finds the needle.

Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:02:38
Subject: Re: Research Needed

Richard,

Interesting find. A few of us "snoopers" also could not locate any trace of it.

Please don't lose any sleep or business over this. But I must admit with your report my interest in finding it or proving its existence has grown.

Jim


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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 10:50:49
Subject: Re: Research Needed
Jim,

I tried the half dozen online antiquarian/rare wholesalers and dealers I use most often - surprisingly, there's no record of the book. Which is incredibly odd - usually there's some bibliographic data in place but availability is zero. In this case, there's just no trace.

Which means that I'm highly engaged now - nothing like a mystery. I'll keep you posted if I come up with something.

Richard

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:06 PM,
Hi Richard,

Need to know if you have a hidden talent of hunting down rare reads? Have a social networking pal (Goodreads) who is looking for a copy of The Soviet Secret Police' by A.E. Andreevich. Published 1953.

Any tips on where to search or how to obtain copy would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Jim


message 11: by Feliks, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
I'm very thankful for your assist! That's extremely thoughtful of ya. Bravo!


message 12: by Feliks, Moderator (last edited Nov 01, 2015 10:35AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
p.s. update to the info I provided: scrap the '1953' date estimate. I erred there (extremely fine print). No date is given in the citation. The book I'm reading, however, (by de Gramont) is a 1962 publication so, it must be prior to that.


message 13: by Feliks, Moderator (last edited Nov 01, 2015 10:54AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
p.s. for the mystery-book, maybe it is related to this author (I just did a quick search on Worldcat.org)

Soviet Russ. Stories of the '60s and '70s
by xx Andreevich Bochkarev
published 1977

Now that I think of it, 'Andreevich' maybe even an abrogation of Andreĭ Andreevich Gromyko


message 14: by [deleted user] (new)

Saw Gromyko pop up on some of my searches. Must admit I find it interesting but do tell. Do you still recommend the book?


message 15: by Feliks, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
Which one? Currently I'm only reading a paperback edition of Sanche De Gramont's 'Secret War' which I find very worthwhile indeed. Its from within those pages that I am pulling out all these other titles; most of which I'm simply unfamiliar with.

I wish I had ordered a hardback of de Gramont because the detail is so fine for print this small.

I myself have no interest in reading anything from Gromyko; or (said another way) I'd need a good reason to explore him. He's not germane to my interests. The book by AE Andreevich, however--I'd certainly like to get my hands on that one.


message 16: by [deleted user] (new)

Sorry, was referring to The Secret War...


message 17: by [deleted user] (new)

Have had horrible experiences trying to obtain a decent copy of The Secret War. Please advise on a know reputable source...


message 18: by Feliks, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
Hmmm, that so? I found a decent used one from Amazon. That's where I got mine. But then again I like 'well-worn' paperbacks. There's many copies of that type available there--are you restricting your buying choices to 'mint condition' or something like that?

Dismayed to hear this, in any case.


message 19: by [deleted user] (new)

Not at all... I have no other preferences then paperback. Tried ordering one off of the Amazon but it was cancelled by distributor so I moved to other sources. I will give them a second go...


message 20: by Feliks, Moderator (last edited Dec 22, 2015 09:26AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 883 comments Mod
by the way, for any of you budding authors writing action-thrillers set in modern-day Afghanistan, here's a great work of reference for ancient Afghan culture

The Road to Oxiana by Robert Byron

and as far as fiction goes, the stirring wilderness drama:
The Horsemen by Joseph Kessel by Joseph Kessel
(same author who wrote 'Belle duJour', as it happens)


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Roger Cave | 16 comments A couple that have have been turned into novels are

The White Rabbit: The Secret Agent the Gestapo Could Not Crack
Which is an excellent read, and also highlights Germany during WWII.

Or there is Alone in Berlin
Not an espionage book really, but written by Hans Fellada who based a this on a true story of an ordinary couple fighting the Nazis.


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