Deep State (aka the shadow government)

[Ian]

As far as plutocratic control goes, it is not very deep (deep meaning hidden). The importance of money sticks out like an organ stop

[Ian]

If you say so, Iain :-)

[James, Group Founder]

I love your faith that everything is above ground and obvious, Iain... But yet you are posting UNDERGROUND!

[James, Group Founder]

Sorry that post was for kiwi Ian not Scottish Iain!

[Ian]

My case wasn't that they don't have secret agendas. Merely that it inevitably becomes obvious what those basic agendas are because they can't restrain themselves from almost hyperactivity. Sooner or later they expose themselves - the link sort of proves my point :-)

[Ian]

James, obvious does require you to actually look at it. Most people don't. And OK, a little cynicism about politicians snuck through

[James, Group Founder]

The true reality is probably deeper than Deep State.

Many miles underground is perhaps the best analogy...
We are just seeing the crumbs on the surface.

Everything the likes of Julian Assange/WikiLeaks and others have leaked or revealed in the last decade have proven so many conspiracy FACTS that it is a lot harder now to deny the thesis of a Deep State (even tho I'd personally use different terms to that one).

[James, Group Founder]

The Deep State “Entrapment of President Trump”: Competing Factions within the Military intelligence Complex https://www.globalresearch.ca/iranian...

[Ian]

The way Trump governs, because he is so erratic the standard parts probably qualify for a "Deep State" definition :-)

[James, Group Founder]

So You Wanna Take Down the Deep State? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...

[Ian]

Good luck trying. They are deeply embedded and fight back :-)