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@Chris #6 I couldn't agree more, she was toned down. In the first book I felt like she was the second coming of Brigitte Nielsen (Think Beverly Hills Cop II). I still picture her that way. But she's not so sexually aggressive in book two. In audio it's even more apparent because she pouts, has real guilt and is more Kewpie doll like in her dealings with Freddie outside of bed. Honestly it's a better fit for Freddie I think but still what a turnaround.
Questions for chapter 13-259.I like seeing all the detectives and their support for Sam. I like that she’s not doing everything herself and we get to peek into others heads. I like to read more on Gonzo ,Jeanine and Freddie and their personal life. Do you?
The secondary reads are so well done, you don't resent leaving the primary couple (well done). As for the loyalty to Sam? I think she's been their partner, friend and mentor for a long, long time. I get the impression that if they needed help before she became LT she'd have supported them.
10. Ah poor Duncan , he was beaten and then he heard his long-time lover is dead. At least the guy was arrested.
I felt really bad for him, he took a stand and it didn't pay off. He'll be paying for it a lot longer than poor Julian. Felt very bad for him. Glad the creep was arrested.
11. What did you think about how Sam got angry with Freddie for lying? What about Freddie going in without back-up? I’d thought him wiser than that. Do you think he’ll stay with Elin after all that happened? Sam is so cynical about Elin and Freddie , are you?
Personally, I think she should have taken him to the side (office) and openly accused him of lying. I think she went about punishing him the wrong way. The words "My Office now" would have gone a long way. As for Freddie pulling the "I'll be Sam's hero move. was juvenile...". As for Elin I feel she wasn't given the straight scoop on his phone and deserves another chance. I agree at the moment I would have been livid too, but should it end on that. No. Elin is a weird character for me to like, Freddie I feel should be attracted to the girl next door. Not a near dominatrix, though she is softened in this book but not necessarily all in a good way.
12. I hated how Nick broke up with Sam in the hospital. Of course he was under so much stress but still he had promised he’d stay with her no matter what. What about all the stuff they are hiding from each other? They screw up and then they say “I love you” as if saying that can solve everything, does it ?
This relationship was running too fast and to hot. For them to have a real relationship they need to share everything the good and the bad. I do think less of Nick for breaking up with her AT THAT MOMENT. But I get that he did, he was being honest...he really didn't know if he could take it. Better than lying to her.
13. Have you ever faked it ?LOL
Happy to say no.
14. Gah Stahl!!! I want to kick him in the butt! Do you think he is going to get killed in the future books?
Can I hope so? He's a real shit, I really, really want to know why he hates her so much. It's got to be because of Skip not her, or what he perceives as favoritism.
15. Do you have any suspects? And now another murder! Poor Devon, do you think it’s the same killer?
I do think it's the same killer and I would have thought the mother had she not been in custody. Shot down Sam and my theory quite neatly. Back to No Idea.
Lara wrote: "Okay, that is really weird. I own 6 of the audiobooks from Audible, and only one shows up even when you search for the author. At least they're still in my library."Yes, something is screwy with their databank. I can't find the book when I search Audible.com, but if you go Amazon.com and purchase the Kindle, they'll prompt you with get the audio at a reduced price. Then it will appear in your library. If you look in your library, it is there. However, if you search their site, it isn't. This happens on the first several books, but later books are there, though. Very, very strange.
Okay, I finished yesterday afternoon. I'll work at getting the last set of DQs up today. I have a lot going on, but I'm sure I'll get to them, as I need a mental break. I did jump on the computer to do them early this morning; however, my Kindle for PC wouldn't sync. I had to on-line chat with tech support. It must have to do with moving & having my computer in storage for four months. I had to uninstall and reinstall the program. Anyway, that took up my allotted computer time. Sorry.
@Lisa Kay, agreed something is up with Audible and MF titles for Fatal series. I just bought Fatal Frenzy #9 and had to do it through Amazon. No whispersync special so a full credit. But I have been dying to read the last one. I've been keeping up with this series since it's inception.
You should leave a query with Marie Force. She'll answer you.
@Sue, as I recall, in the first book Stahl is described as thinking she's only made detective through favoritism. However, I don't understand how he could continue to think that through years of her own (apparently super successful) work. There must also be an element of jealousy since she's better and more liked than him as well. Or, maybe long ago he made a move on her and she turned him down flat? Given her track record, you can't say she's just daddy's little girl.
Jonetta wrote: "You should leave a query with Marie Force. She'll answer you."Good point, she has definitely answered questions for me in the past. I'll let you all know how it goes if she responds. Question has been posted, as usual the Admins review it, so it might be today or next week week it's responded to. Never paid attention to the response rate I get.
Update: MF is looking into it, I believe it was news to her as well.
Lara wrote: "@Sue, as I recall, in the first book Stahl is described as thinking she's only made detective through favoritism. However, I don't understand how he could continue to think that through years of he..."Feels like crushed toes to me, if it was favoritism I could see him hating her now. But it was obvious from the beginning he disliked her (For 6+ years her rank was lower than his). One Night with You I felt confirmed that. i.e. why Sam didn't give out her Cell # to Nick. Let's put it this say Stah is irrational.
I've finished I knew it was her from the beginning but couldn't work out how.Does anybody thing the triplets are going to get a storyline because they've been subtly sneaked in both books so far.
Enjoyed it just as much the second time around, just got Fatal Frenzy (Book 9), may have to jump ahead. The book price usually drops after the first few days, that didn't happen this time. I'm thinking this author has hit her stride.
Lisa Kay’s Discussion Questions for Chapters 26-Epilogue
16. Good for Elin for not taking any of Freddie’s bad mood! Grump. Glad they talked it out, though. Glad she found out she was is first, too. I like them as a couple. You? Also, love that he was genuinely surprised over the whole “I’ll call you…” thing that guys do.
17. Were you sure the uncle and nephew killings were connected, or did you wonder if there was another possibility?
18. Oh, no! Limp? Poor Freddie. Did that scene come across as believable?
19. What did you think about the reason for Sam’s GI troubles? How about her being mad at Nick over it? LOL! Think giving up the soda will do the trick, or is it something more? (A gallon of soda a day! Holy Toledo! She’s lucky she still has her kidneys and doesn’t have diabetes!)
20. What of Sam’s reaction to her sister’s pregnancy? Have you ever been happy and envious of someone at the same time? What of her own hopes regarding reversing her infertility?
21. Were you surprised that Sam told Nick to run for office? Was their talk about the realities of dealing with the press realistic? Certainly, dealing with the press over her long-ago visit to an abortion clinic brought their invasion into their lives into stark reality – fast! What do you think? Do the people have a right to know medical histories of public figures, especially when they affect political issues?
22. Eeep! They were shot at. After all was said and done, in reality, Nick, being a public figure, could have been the target as easily as Sam. Right?
23. Had to crack up over Sam hearing Freddie’s discussion with Nick about “raging hormones.” No question here, just a LOL!
24. Oh, also wanted to know what you thought about Nick being the one to deal with the press over Sam’s abortion-come-miscarriage? Did you like that he was the one to deal with it head-on, or do you think she should have?
25. Man-oh-man! Diandra is definitely a piece of work. What did you think of the big reveal? How about that they arrested her first; is that realistic? Anyways, what kind of whack-a-doodle shoots his son, too, thinking he’d make his wife happy?
26. How about the epilogue? Did you like this entry into the series? Which has been your favorite? Will you continue?
Thanks for notifying the author, Sue!
It was driving me a bit batty...as I was sure I purchased the audio...then couldn't find it. Luckily, I had it 'tagged' on GRs as both Kindle and Audible.com - and thought to look in my Audible library. ...eventually...
Q&A for Chapters 26-Epilogue 16. Good for Elin for not taking any of Freddie’s bad mood! Grump. Glad they talked it out, though. Glad she found out she was is first, too. I like them as a couple. You? Also, love that he was genuinely surprised over the whole “I’ll call you…” thing that guys do.
The good thing is Freddie realized he shouldn't have taken his bad mood out on Elin and apologized. He has NO experience with the female gender so not surprised by any of his lack of knowledge. I find it endearing and refreshing.
17. Were you sure the uncle and nephew killings were connected, or did you wonder if there was another possibility?
I thought they could be linked.
18. Oh, no! Limp? Poor Freddie. Did that scene come across as believable?
Yes, it's believable, stress could do that!
19. What did you think about the reason for Sam’s GI troubles? How about her being mad at Nick over it? LOL! Think giving up the soda will do the trick, or is it something more? (A gallon of soda a day! Holy Toledo! She’s lucky she still has her kidneys and doesn’t have diabetes!)
I thought it was stress. Didn't get why she was mad at Nick! She's just using him as a scapegoat, lol! That's way too much soda in for the system to digest, not healthy!
20. What of Sam’s reaction to her sister’s pregnancy? Have you ever been happy and envious of someone at the same time? What of her own hopes regarding reversing her infertility?
Of course the news would be bittersweet, after all she went through with her own loss. Sam probably doesn't want to go through the emotional trauma again but at least there's hope. I know what she's going through having suffered through 2 unsuccessful pregnancies its hard on the physical and psychological level, not to mention the spouse as well suffers the loss.
21. Were you surprised that Sam told Nick to run for office? Was their talk about the realities of dealing with the press realistic? Certainly, dealing with the press over her long-ago visit to an abortion clinic brought their invasion into their lives into stark reality – fast! What do you think? Do the people have a right to know medical histories of public figures, especially when they affect political issues? A
No, I wasn't surprised. She seems like the supportive type. I think they figure they beat the press at their game, get out in front of it before it's made public. I think if it's something dibiltating that would prevent a person from serving their constituents it should be revealed, other than that, no, we don't have a right to know.
22. Eeep! They were shot at. After all was said and done, in reality, Nick, being a public figure, could have been the target as easily as Sam. Right?
Yes, but I think it was Sam that was targeted. I think Officer Montgomery is not a police officer at all. I think he's linked to Skip's shooting. I think we'll find out more about him in future books. I could be wrong of course.
23. Had to crack up over Sam hearing Freddie’s discussion with Nick about “raging hormones.” No question here, just a LOL!
That was great! Morning, noon, and night!! Freddie gave her a lot of ammo for future use!
24. Oh, also wanted to know what you thought about Nick being the one to deal with the press over Sam’s abortion-come-miscarriage? Did you like that he was the one to deal with it head-on, or do you think she should have?
I think she allowed him to take up the position as protector, I liked that.
25. Man-oh-man! Diandra is definitely a piece of work. What did you think of the big reveal? How about that they arrested her first; is that realistic? Anyways, what kind of whack-a-doodle shoots his son, too, thinking he’d make his wife happy?
It didn't surprise me, evil bitch! Her husband is just as bad, he allowed himself to be manipulated, spineless creep!
26. How about the epilogue? Did you like this entry into the series? Which has been your favorite? Will you continue?
I loved it, so romantic! I'm totally loving this series and will continue, don't have a fave yet. ; )
@ Silvia#16 - Me, too.
#19 - Yes, I agree, he was her scapegoat.
#20 - Sorry to hear that, Silvia. I've had infertility issues, too. Not fun for either person in the relationship.
#22 - Oh...good point; I agree there is something suspicious about Montgomery. Somethings not quite right there.
#23 - LOL! True.
#26 - I'm really enjoying the series, too.
Chapters 26-Epilogue 16. Good for Elin for not taking any of Freddie’s bad mood! Grump. Glad they talked it out, though. Glad she found out she was is first, too. I like them as a couple. You? Also, love that he was genuinely surprised over the whole “I’ll call you…” thing that guys do.
Freddie is a newbie at the whole dating thing, it's cute. Elin is one of those characters that changed significantly from book 1 to book 2, I think she'll continue to change. I hope to like her, there are parts of her I like. But I still picture Freddie with the girl next door.
17. Were you sure the uncle and nephew killings were connected, or did you wonder if there was another possibility?
The motive seemed to be the wife/mother, but it seemed like it was shot down. Good misdirect by the author at that point I had no idea who had done it.
18. Oh, no! Limp? Poor Freddie. Did that scene come across as believable?
Not so believable, sorry 29 and little life time action. Considering he had a response just hours before. I would have believed it more had he taken his pain pills or they blamed them... not made an excuse that it was them. They fell on the guilt sword, I doubt that has ever stopped a cheater out there. (not that Freddie is *wink*).
19. What did you think about the reason for Sam’s GI troubles? How about her being mad at Nick over it? LOL! Think giving up the soda will do the trick, or is it something more? (A gallon of soda a day! Holy Toledo! She’s lucky she still has her kidneys and doesn’t have diabetes!)
I use to drink a 2 litter bottle of soda and down about a dozen cups of coffee a day. There were years I went on like this, my stomach never bothered me and I slept like a baby. I've mended my ways, no soda in my diet these days and coffee is down to about 2-3 cups a day. Quite the reduction if you ask me *lol*
But I know I'm not normal, she acted like a child but I loved it. I actually like that not everything is running smoothly in their lives, it makes for an interesting relationship. The only constant is they love each other, everything else is up for grabs.
20. What of Sam’s reaction to her sister’s pregnancy? Have you ever been happy and envious of someone at the same time? What of her own hopes regarding reversing her infertility?
I've never been envious, I was blessed to get pregnant almost right away with my first and my second took longer but considering my daughter was in her terrible two's I think god took pity on me. But, I've know quite a few folks who lost that first baby and had a hard time being around pregnant folks till their own dreams came true. I think it's even worse if the odds are less than 5% it can happen for you.
I like that story wise they haven't closed that chapter. I hope it happens for Sam and Nick, or they decided on surrogacy. They deserve a genetic child of their own, just imagine how brilliant and brave that child would be with those genes.
21. Were you surprised that Sam told Nick to run for office? Was their talk about the realities of dealing with the press realistic? Certainly, dealing with the press over her long-ago visit to an abortion clinic brought their invasion into their lives into stark reality – fast! What do you think? Do the people have a right to know medical histories of public figures, especially when they affect political issues?
First, I think HIPAA regs apply to everyone from the President to the lowest inmate in prison. Medical privacy is important and shouldn't be revealed under any circumstances unless involved in a crime. Politics have no place in personal medical history. I use to work Bio-Tech and manage the technical side health care benefits. So I have a strong opinion here.
I was surprised but then again not, I think them glossing over the media was just them saying we'll manage. They had decided to support each others careers regardless of where they were going.
22. Eeep! They were shot at. After all was said and done, in reality, Nick, being a public figure, could have been the target as easily as Sam. Right?
Have to agree on that one, politics and policemen have large groups of haters. Not a job for the thin skinned.
23. Had to crack up over Sam hearing Freddie’s discussion with Nick about “raging hormones.” No question here, just a LOL!
That was a hoot, Freddie is so young at times that you think he's 19 not 29. But I do love his character. After Sam and Nick, Freddie is my next favorite character.
24. Oh, also wanted to know what you thought about Nick being the one to deal with the press over Sam’s abortion-come-miscarriage? Did you like that he was the one to deal with it head-on, or do you think she should have?
First, I don't think Sam was capable at the time. But then again her limping out of the hospital while he did undermines that theory. But when the decision was made I don't think she was capable. I thought to deal with it by getting ahead of it was the wisest choice. Why Sam let Nick do it is the mystery here, I think had she not been injured and thinking clearly she would have done it. Christina is getting on my nerves, she's obviously correct.. but sooner or later she's going to tick Nick off but good.
25. Man-oh-man! Diandra is definitely a piece of work. What did you think of the big reveal? How about that they arrested her first; is that realistic? Anyways, what kind of whack-a-doodle shoots his son, too, thinking he’d make his wife happy?
Totally nuts, but also believable or at least fictionally believable. I've seen this episode on most Crime shows, i.e. the abused spouse acting on behalf of their partner irrationally. Not sure they follow police procedures 100% of the time in this book.
26. How about the epilogue? Did you like this entry into the series? Which has been your favorite? Will you continue?
Both are excellent, we needed book one to move around a lot and to re-establish the couple meaning they'd have hurt feelings, pain from the death of a close friend and misunderstandings to overcome. I thought they went to fast in book 1, I like how book 2 slowed down just a bit. I say that tongue in cheek considering what happened in the Rose Garden. I liked that there was plenty of conflict. It made it more realistic in my book. When you run that hot something gives.
FYI - Currently reading book 9, love it... as the series goes I love this entire ensemble cast. Makes for a series you look for the next book (Thankfully MF has made this series a priority and is a prolific writer). All the newbies to this series have a lot of material to enjoy.
Sue wrote: "Jonetta wrote: "You should leave a query with Marie Force. She'll answer you."Good point, she has definitely answered questions for me in the past. I'll let you all know how it goes if she respo..."
UPDATE on Audible: MF hasn't responded yet, but I just confirmed all 11 novels (9 novels, 2 Novella's) are available. Just don't search on "Fatal Series", search on "Marie Force". Yesterday searching on MF for Fatal Series did not work but it works today. 42 audios are available... yesterday the number was 32.
Sue wrote: "Sue wrote: "Jonetta wrote: "You should leave a query with Marie Force. She'll answer you."Good point, she has definitely answered questions for me in the past. I'll let you all know how it goes ..."
Thanks for taking the reins on this, Sue! I'm sure this happened because of MF's intervention.
16. Good for Elin for not taking any of Freddie’s bad mood! Grump. Glad they talked it out, though. Glad she found out she was is first, too. I like them as a couple. You? Also, love that he was genuinely surprised over the whole “I’ll call you…” thing that guys do. Ok, she's more likeable not taking any guff from Freddy. I guess I'm going to have to get over it and accept that they are going to have a relationship.17. Were you sure the uncle and nephew killings were connected, or did you wonder if there was another possibility? I would have been surprised had they not been connected.
18. Oh, no! Limp? Poor Freddie. Did that scene come across as believable? I suppose it could happen.
19. What did you think about the reason for Sam’s GI troubles? How about her being mad at Nick over it? LOL! Think giving up the soda will do the trick, or is it something more? (A gallon of soda a day! Holy Toledo! She’s lucky she still has her kidneys and doesn’t have diabetes!) I thought it would have something to do with her endometriosis. I was surprised by the soda.
20. What of Sam’s reaction to her sister’s pregnancy? Have you ever been happy and envious of someone at the same time? What of her own hopes regarding reversing her infertility? I suspect she'll go for it in time
21. Were you surprised that Sam told Nick to run for office? Was their talk about the realities of dealing with the press realistic? Certainly, dealing with the press over her long-ago visit to an abortion clinic brought their invasion into their lives into stark reality – fast! What do you think? Do the people have a right to know medical histories of public figures, especially when they affect political issues? That's a tough one. I think they should be accountable for their opinions, but I think one's medical records are their own unless they choose to release them, unless they threaten someone else's health. This whole press thing is too much, I could see a couple of reporters following their relationship, but hordes of them seems unlikely to me.
22. Eeep! They were shot at. After all was said and done, in reality, Nick, being a public figure, could have been the target as easily as Sam. Right? I didn't buy the gang thing.
23. Had to crack up over Sam hearing Freddie’s discussion with Nick about “raging hormones.” No question here, just a LOL! That was a funny moment and came unexpectedly.
24. Oh, also wanted to know what you thought about Nick being the one to deal with the press over Sam’s abortion-come-miscarriage? Did you like that he was the one to deal with it head-on, or do you think she should have? I think he felt responsible for the coverage and handled it well.
25. Man-oh-man! Diandra is definitely a piece of work. What did you think of the big reveal? How about that they arrested her first; is that realistic? Anyways, what kind of whack-a-doodle shoots his son, too, thinking he’d make his wife happy? She was no surprise, but the husband wasn't in my lineup. I can't imagine killing my child for my spouse's job/book deal.
I like the series - it moves right along, and the characters are entertaining. I don't find it to be totally realistic, but who doesn't like a little escapism?
@Chris#23 - Agree probably one of the best LOL moments in the book.
#25 - Your final comment... I like a little escapism myself.
@Lara#3.You mean Nick, Right?LOL
#6.LOL
#7.That's how I see it too.
#14 My bet is on depending on Sam's help at some point.
Silvia wrote: "Just finished and loved it! And I have a few suspicions. [spoilers removed] just something about scenario was off!"That's exactly what I thought. Mentioning his name a few times and Nick insisting he'd be rewarded... Something will come out of it!
@Chris#5.LOL Me neither! specially with my OCD neat pick hubby!
#9.Huh interesting about the vibe from Nick's office.
#14.LOL
@Sue#11. I liked how things went down between Elin and Freddie but I agree that it'd have felt more right if he'd gone for the girl next door type.
Elishia wrote: "I've finished I knew it was her from the beginning but couldn't work out how.Does anybody thing the triplets are going to get a storyline because they've been subtly sneaked in both books so far."
I think They'll play a big part in one of the future books.
Sue wrote: "Enjoyed it just as much the second time around, just got Fatal Frenzy (Book 9), may have to jump ahead. The book price usually drops after the first few days, that didn't happen this time. I'm ..."My library got it on ebook so I'm set for when we get to it ;)
Lisa Kay’s Discussion Questions for Chapters 26-Epilogue 16. Good for Elin for not taking any of Freddie’s bad mood! Grump. Glad they talked it out, though. Glad she found out she was is first, too. I like them as a couple. You? Also, love that he was genuinely surprised over the whole “I’ll call you…” thing that guys do.
Yes I was hoping he would tell her that she was his first. I like them too. I want to see more of them
17. Were you sure the uncle and nephew killings were connected, or did you wonder if there was another possibility?
I was sure it was connected and it has to do with them being gay
18. Oh, no! Limp? Poor Freddie. Did that scene come across as believable?
I think it did
19. What did you think about the reason for Sam’s GI troubles? How about her being mad at Nick over it? LOL! Think giving up the soda will do the trick, or is it something more? (A gallon of soda a day! Holy Toledo! She’s lucky she still has her kidneys and doesn’t have diabetes!)
She was drinking diet coke(so no danger of diabetes) but I've heard diet coke is even worse that normal.I think she'll be fine after quitting.
20. What of Sam’s reaction to her sister’s pregnancy? Have you ever been happy and envious of someone at the same time? What of her own hopes regarding reversing her infertility?
I can't think of any thing right now but I'm sure I have been happy and envious at the same time. I'm pretty sure she's going to get pregnant at some point during the series
21. Were you surprised that Sam told Nick to run for office? Was their talk about the realities of dealing with the press realistic? Certainly, dealing with the press over her long-ago visit to an abortion clinic brought their invasion into their lives into stark reality – fast! What do you think? Do the people have a right to know medical histories of public figures, especially when they affect political issues?
Not really surprised. No there's never justifying revealing medical history of anyone without their consent , no matter what position they are in!
22. Eeep! They were shot at. After all was said and done, in reality, Nick, being a public figure, could have been the target as easily as Sam. Right?
Yes I thought so too
23. Had to crack up over Sam hearing Freddie’s discussion with Nick about “raging hormones.” No question here, just a LOL!
I liked that and LOLed
24. Oh, also wanted to know what you thought about Nick being the one to deal with the press over Sam’s abortion-come-miscarriage? Did you like that he was the one to deal with it head-on, or do you think she should have?
She wasn't in any state to do it and timing was important so I'm ok with him doing it. But if she wasn't beat up, they should done it together
25. Man-oh-man! Diandra is definitely a piece of work. What did you think of the big reveal? How about that they arrested her first; is that realistic? Anyways, what kind of whack-a-doodle shoots his son, too, thinking he’d make his wife happy?
I think the murder mystery and how it was solved was ridiculous! I read a lot of murder mysteries. This one just didn't do it for me. Their motive was so whacky.In reality if a gay man is killed when he's in closet , his secret would come out in the open by the press in no time. There is no hiding the victim's secret. And they thought to hide his sexuality by killing him ? Gah! Their motive and how Sam made them confront each other at the end was too ridiculous for me!
26. How about the epilogue? Did you like this entry into the series? Which has been your favorite? Will you continue?
I will continue, I like the characters and the story-line not the murder mysteries so far. I'll definitely read the next one.
@Silvia#22. I like your theory.
ShoSho wrote: "@Silvia#22. I like your theory."
Thx ShoSho! There's just something about Montgomery that comes off as a little fishy! ; )
As mentioned I read book 9, I thought it was one of the best entries in this series. So that's something for everyone one to look forward to. I highly recommend you read this series in order, there are overall elements that take multiple books to explain and delve into.
Sue wrote: "As mentioned I read book 9, I thought it was one of the best entries in this series. So that's something for everyone one to look forward to. I highly recommend you read this series in order, the..."We'll get to it in May :p
Thx Sue! I'm loving this series so far but that does give me some thing to look forward to! ; )
The (view spoiler) was one of the things that bothered me the most about this book. To me it came across (view spoiler)
Lauren wrote: "The [spoilers removed] was one of the things that bothered me the most about this book. To me it came across [spoilers removed]"I agree, Lauren. I might be wrong but it seemed that the author was dictating to the reader what was wrong and what was right.
ShoSho wrote: "Lauren wrote: "The [spoilers removed] was one of the things that bothered me the most about this book. To me it came across [spoilers removed]"I agree, Lauren. I might be wrong but it seemed that..."
I may be wrong but I felt that the author was showing the guilt this character felt and apparently it didn't hit her until the pregnancy ended naturally and she felt the loss. I've known women who've made that choice and sometimes there is a feeling of guilt and loss, not always, sometimes there's relief. There's a huge range of feelings that's why it's such a hot button issue.
Silvia wrote: " There's a huge range of feelings that's why it's such a hot button issue. "It is a controversial issue and perhaps it didn't come across in the way the author intended. For me, at least, that was the case as it appeared very judgmental.
Lauren wrote: "Silvia wrote: " There's a huge range of feelings that's why it's such a hot button issue. "It is a controversial issue and perhaps it didn't come across in the way the author intended. For me, at..."
I totally agree with you that it's a controversial issue! ; )
Silvia wrote: "Lauren wrote: "Silvia wrote: " There's a huge range of feelings that's why it's such a hot button issue. "It is a controversial issue and perhaps it didn't come across in the way the author inten..."
Definitely controversial and I felt Sam came away very conflicted. I think if you read it from her perspective 8 years later she felt punished for her thoughts to abort. I think hindsight colors her thoughts, considering her life beyond that point. She felt guilty for having made the choice though she didn't go through with it (mother nature), I think the author balanced the guilt with Nick's staunch support of the Right to Chose. I thought the representation was very human. I could see myself having the same thoughts, I would continue to support the right to chose but would respect the choices made by others.
It was a good balance, right to life supporters would say "She should feel guilty" and the "Right to Chose" would say it was her Choice.
My opinion the argument came out on the "Right to Chose" side but had the very human reaction of that choice.
Well said Sue! There's so many feelings, shades of gray so to speak. I guess it all comes down to respecting someone's feelings for their choice even if they regret their choice soon after or years later, or if they don't regret their choice at all. ; )
That's where we differ, Sue. I didn't see the balance. Having the main character feel guilty and having mother nature "decide" shows a pro-life attitude. In any case, I dont like being preached to and this is how it felt to me.
Lauren wrote: "That's where we differ, Sue. I didn't see the balance. Having the main character feel guilty and having mother nature "decide" shows a pro-life attitude. In any case, I dont like being preached to..."
I respect your opinion, no question. I just could relate completely to this scenario. Though I do think it could have been written a bit better, it felt uneven and jumpy as written.
Sue wrote: "I just could relate completely to this scenario. Though I do think it could have been written a bit better, it felt uneven and jumpy as written. ."Like you, I'm sure I could have related to it better if it had been better written. I'm sure that balance was what the author was striving for but she didn't quite get there :0)
I'm late to the party and I didn't RSVP but I didn't get this book read soon enough and now I still wanted to chime in. I have to say I was disappointed in this one. It felt very choppy and pulled into numerous subplots that made it difficult to focus on the main plot (which didn't even feel like a main plot). I had to label Sam as a irritating female (queen of the knee jerk reactions), I didn't get Freddy and Elin as much as I wanted to, and as much as I liked Nick in the first book - not so much in this one.It hasn't been mentioned much, but the whole investigation of the crime just seemed so off. I know this is romantic suspense and not police procedural but the entire book had me questioning and not pulled in.
CD {Boulder Blvd} wrote: "I'm late to the party and I didn't RSVP but I didn't get this book read soon enough and now I still wanted to chime in. I have to say I was disappointed in this one. It felt very choppy and pulled ..."I agree about the mystery and police procedure and things like that.It seems to me that MF wasn't great at writing the mystery part in the first 2 books. She might be getting better in the 3rd one. (I'm at 50% so I can't say for sure).
Are you planing to read the next one?
I just picked up book 3 from the library so I'm in for this one and have my fingers crossed...
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10. Ah poor Duncan , he was beaten and then he heard his long-time lover is dead. At least the guy was arrested. I didn't feel that sorry for him. He didn't support Julian's dreams - what kind of love was that? Then he's out cruisin'. I didn't have much empathy, but I'm glad the other guy was arrested.
11. What did you think about how Sam got angry with Freddie for lying? What about Freddie going in without back-up? I’d thought him wiser than that. Do you think he’ll stay with Elin after all that happened? Sam is so cynical about Elin and Freddie , are you? Dumb move on Freddie's part. I'm not Elin's biggest fan.
12. I hated how Nick broke up with Sam in the hospital. Of course he was under so much stress but still he had promised he’d stay with her no matter what. What about all the stuff they are hiding from each other? They screw up and then they say “I love you” as if saying that can solve everything, does it ? I was surprised by the breakup - it didn't last very long, but I'd have some trust issues after that if I were Sam.
13. Have you ever faked it ?LOL Not without laughing.
14. Gah Stahl!!! I want to kick him in the butt! Do you think he is going to get killed in the future books? That would be too easy - I'd like him to suffer more.
15. Do you have any suspects? And now another murder! Poor Devon, do you think it’s the same killer? The Devon killing threw me. I was liking his mother for the perp.