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Flavian Rome Puts Its Signature on the Gospels

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Steve Jesus said beginning at Matt 21: 42:

Have you never read in the Scriptures (Isaiah 28: 16): The stone which the builders rejected has been made the cornerstone: this cornerstone came from the Lord, and is wonderful in our eyes? {The Stone is the Roman Empire, a more sure foundation than what Israel and Judah can provide. Who presides over Jerusalem now that Herod the Great is gone? It is the Romans.}

Jews built Judaism but New Judaism, Judaism-Lite of St. Paul who says you don't need the Law, you don't need to be circumcised, you don't need to keep Kosher--what do you get then? You get Judaism-Lite: Christianity; and, Roman-modified Judaism has been made the cornerstone of a new iteration of Judaism.

Jesus continues. That, I tell you, is the reason why the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you (Israel in the north and Judah in the south where Jerusalem is) and given to a nation (Rome) that will exhibit the power of it.

The stone, the cornerstone, Rome came from the Lord, and since it came from the Lord God, it is wonderful in the eyes of the holy people.

Now that Palm Sunday has failed, the Kingdom of the Son of Man will pass to the Romans and Titus will be the Son of Man.

He who falls on this stone will be severely hurt; but he on whom it falls will be utterly crushed.

The stone will utterly crush a person, Josephus' Wars of the Jews, Book V.

"The engines [of war] that all the legions [of Rome] had ready prepared for them [the Rebels] were admirably contrived; but still more extraordinary ones belonged to the tenth legion: those that threw stones were more forcible and larger than the rest.

As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was white and could therefore be seen and when it came at them it made a great noise [traveling through the air and making a loud wind sound].

The Jews did not yell: The Stone Cometh (get out of the way); they actually screamed The Son [of Man/of God/of Vespasian--what have you] Cometh; get out of the way. So, they just got out of the way. The watchmen of the Jews could see when the white stone took off. The stone fell to the ground and did them no harm.

Well, the Roman soldiers said, I’m still gonna getcha.

"But the Romans contrived how to prevent that by blacking the stone. They could then aim at the Jews with success without them discerning beforehand. So, the Romans destroyed many of them at one blow."

"Stone is another important self-designation Jesus uses. Jesus compares himself to a stone, one that if it strikes will "utterly crush." In other words, he is saying that the Son of God/Son of Man is a stone who will crush those who reject him." I combine this with Jesus parable where he says bring those who did not want me as king and slay them before me.

Jesus saw the handwriting on the wall. Should he not succeed as the Son of Man, the Son of Man crown would pass to another nation: Rome. The Jews got mad and tore their clothes when Jesus and the Martyr Stephen said I see the Son of Man (Titus) at the Right Hand of the Jewish God.

Jesus: That, I tell you, is the reason why the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you (Israel in the north and Judah in the south where Jerusalem is) and given to a nation (Rome) that will exhibit the power of it.

Josephus lampoons what is held sacred in the gospels. So, this is an instance when the gospel comes not after Wars of the Jews but before Wars of the Jews or the gospels come in tandem with Wars of the Jews.

Here is a lampoon.

Flavian Rome and its propaganda engines knew the gospels well. They made Jesus a pacifist messiah and the contempt shows; for, in the Roman approved history of the victors written by Titus Flavian Josephus, we see the same quote of Jesus about the stone utterly crushing used against Jesus himself.

In the Bible, Jesus warns the Temple authorities: Woe unto you, this, that, and the other thing (Matthew 23: 13-29). Jesus is captured, brought to a procurator, whipped, and is killed by the Romans.

In the Wars of the Jews, Book 6, Chapter 5, Jesus, Son of Ananus warns the Temple authorities:
Woe unto you, this, that, and the other thing.
This Jesus is captured, brought to a procurator, whipped by the Romans, and killed.
How is he killed? He's killed by the stone "that utterly crushes." Flavian Rome let posterity know their anti-rebel propaganda was grafted onto Jewish Messianism and became the new cornerstone:

308 ..."Woe, woe, to the city again and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, --"Woe, woe, to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages, he gave up the ghost.


message 2: by Roman (last edited Apr 05, 2017 12:14AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Roman Piso Hello Steefen. I can't go over all of Atwill's book at this time, but at some point I hope to comment upon more of the important points in it. In the meantime, you may want to read my review of it. Cheers! - Roman

PS: Here is more info that may interest you.

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The Calpurnius Piso Family And The Origin Of Popes
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The New Classical Scholarship: The New Forensic Study Of History
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The Medieval Censorship Of The Talmud
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