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lord of the flies, Buddy Read! :) [[Oct. 2022. ]]
Abdullah wrote: "Ahmed wrote: "@AbdullahIf we see in Pakistan, Big Brother is pretty much like Army. Hope you have understood why. ;p"
I won't give any opinion because I don't have any interest in politics... :)"
That makes two of us!😊
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Ahmed wrote: "Abdullah wrote: "Ahmed wrote: "@AbdullahIf we see in Pakistan, Big Brother is pretty much like Army. Hope you have understood why. ;p"
I won't give any opinion because I don't have any interest i..."
XD
Aakash wrote: "Hey guys what do you think of short story writing contest???"Yup I am in...last time I was busy but this time I have got some time...
Srry guy im outWhy?
Well im having my send. Up examinations aka detentions
So......wish me luck
Good luck! I really need to study as well.
Lol.. everyone ditched us. Apart from me and Ahmed, anybody reading/read?
Bishwaraj wrote: "Lol.. everyone ditched us. Apart from me and Ahmed, anybody reading/read?"Yup
Bilal wrote: "Srry guy im outWhy?
Well im having my send. Up examinations aka detentions
So......wish me luck"
Best of luck!
Idk how to respond to this novel , so far. It's filled with total hate for Communism and support for capitalism. And I don't really know much about both of the terms .
Bilal wrote: "Srry guy im outWhy?
Well im having my send. Up examinations aka detentions
So......wish me luck"
Best of luck!!
Abdullah wrote: "Idk how to respond to this novel , so far. It's filled with total hate for Communism and support for capitalism. And I don't really know much about both of the terms ."Yaar basic theme of the novel is Totalitarianism! Means everything, literally everything is controlled by one group.
I think author just wanted to show how you would feel in a society like this. When your every move is being watched by your leaders.
It's a Dystopian novel, so these things are expected, right?
Are liking it so far?
Ahmed wrote: "Abdullah wrote: "Idk how to respond to this novel , so far. It's filled with total hate for Communism and support for capitalism. And I don't really know much about both of the terms ."Yaar basic..."
Yup Totalitarianism it is... because it's not exactly communism ...
I like this novel so far but I found Ray Bradbury's "451" much better than this... because the dystopia he created , was on the similar lines but irrespective of any touch of communism or capitalism. It simply presented a universal idea of totalitarianism which could be easily understood and accepted without any political knowledge. But here , it's slightly different.
Abdullah wrote: "Ahmed wrote: "Abdullah wrote: "Idk how to respond to this novel , so far. It's filled with total hate for Communism and support for capitalism. And I don't really know much about both of the terms ..."Hmm... I have Fahrenheit 451 in my mobile for soo long. But I didn't pay much attention to it. I will read it in future as now you have compared both of them. I also want to find out which is better. Till then I like Dystopian world of 1984. :D
Ahmed wrote: "Abdullah wrote: "Ahmed wrote: "Abdullah wrote: "Idk how to respond to this novel , so far. It's filled with total hate for Communism and support for capitalism. And I don't really know much about b..."Yup dystopian genre is good to read every once in a while
@AbdullahHow much have you read the book?
Ahmed wrote: "@AbdullahHow much have you read the book?"
185/285 pages
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Faheem wrote: "Oh what do we have here, Younglings reading n discussing 1984. You guys mind an old man joining in, Do you ??? :)"Not at all! Please do join us!! ^_^
Faheem wrote: "Oh what do we have here, Younglings reading n discussing 1984. You guys mind an old man joining in, Do you ??? :)"Why, oh my, our mod is here ! Please join us XD
*whispers* @Ahmed , smne owes us a treat 😆
@Abdullah*whispers back* I absolutely remember. 😉But how do we get that? 😆
Ahmed wrote: "@Abdullah*whispers back* I absolutely remember. 😉But how do we get that? 😆"
*Whispers*
@Ahmed , let us buddyread with respected mod and then demand treat after sometime. Meanwhile we'll keep dropping hints of treat. XD
Abdullah wrote: "Ahmed wrote: "@Abdullah*whispers back* I absolutely remember. 😉But how do we get that? 😆"
*Whispers*
@Ahmed , let us buddyread with respected mod and then demand treat after sometime. Meanwhile w..."
*whispers* Agreed! 👍😉
I have finished reading 1984...it was a very good read ...apparently it is against the fate of Communist system... like in communism there was the idea of use of tools to psychologically Change the people... And "comrade " thing and stuff...but after we read the complete novel and think a bit about it...the author has described totalitarianism through the concept of Communism ...and socialism too. I was thinking that it would end up like Ray Bradbury's " Fahrenheit 451 " but it's very different from it and more deep.
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Why, oh my, our mod is here ! Please join us XD
*whispers* @Ahmed , smne owes us a treat 😆."
Whoops, Must've entered the wrong thread. Sorry people my bad :p
Faheem wrote: "Oh what do we have here, Younglings reading n discussing 1984. You guys mind an old man joining in, Do you ??? :)"An old lady is already here
Abdullah wrote: "I have finished reading 1984...it was a very good read ...apparently it is against the fate of Communist system... like in communism there was the idea of use of tools to psychologically Change the..."Great, yaar! Nicely summed up. I agree!
Now I really have to read Fahrenheit 451 someday soon. 😊
Faheem wrote: "Abdullah wrote: "Faheem wrote: "Oh what do we have here, Younglings reading n discussing 1984. You guys mind an old man joining in, Do you ??? :)"Why, oh my, our mod is here ! Please join us XD
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No no no... You have entered the right thread. We were just....joking! 😁
@Abdullah
*whispers*
Faheem wrote: "Abdullah wrote: "Faheem wrote: "Oh what do we have here, Younglings reading n discussing 1984. You guys mind an old man joining in, Do you ??? :)"Why, oh my, our mod is here ! Please join us XD
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Oh no ! Alas!
Please come back respected mod ... yes we were just joking... A lot of people owe us a treat that way...so it's normal XD
@Ahmed
*Whispers* hmm
And my real life friends say what I see in goodreads. @Ahmed and @Abdullah, you made my day!
Elsa wrote: "And my real life friends say what I see in goodreads. @Ahmed and @Abdullah, you made my day!"I know right :P
And when I tell them that IT'S ALL ABOUT BOOKS they are more like, tu kon or me kon!? :P
Btw, who hasn't finished the book till now ?
Do you guys use any social media site other than this?I don't. I used to use Facebook. But ever since I started reading, I have stopped using that. I just don't love any other social media other than Goodreads. But Bookstagraming is another thing. I don't do that. But it's interesting. ^^
Ahmed wrote: "Do you guys use any social media site other than this?I don't. I used to use Facebook. But ever since I started reading, I have stopped using that. I just don't love any other social media other ..."
I am on other sites but only use GR and bookstagram regularly. And GR is forever a bae 😍
Abdullah wrote: "Ahmed wrote: "Do you guys use any social media site other than this?I don't. I used to use Facebook. But ever since I started reading, I have stopped using that. I just don't love any other socia..."
Right!! 👍👍
Abdullah wrote: "Btw, who hasn't finished the book till now ?"Me hun na :p
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Well, It's not proper etiquette to whisper in a group, you ought to be more creative if you don't want your alert your prey like use ....
Nope I won't be giving away any secrets not yet :P
As for treat, I have already issued an official statement on hey guys and I stand by me words so no worries. :)
I read 1984 a little while ago and I won't be rereading it again as most of you've already finished it plus I have set my eyes on some books already. So I'll try to recall as much as I could, share me opinion about it and have discussion with you guys, though I must warn that i am not good at this kind of stuff. :p
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Like you guys have pointed out in the previous comments that 1984 is about a Totaltotalitarian regime which exerts absolute control over the almost every single aspect of society. I'll add a few things. In the book, English Socialist Party emerges victorious in the British civil war caused in the aftermath of a global war between in victors of WW2 and sets up the totalitarian government. The world ends up in three superstates Oceania(formed by US & British commonwealth), Eurasia(formed by Russia taking over Europe) n East Asia (covers China, Japan n cetral asia states), Three engaged in a perpetual war over remainder of the word from africa to malaysia.
Book is work of fiction but it is deeply rooted in the actual historical events of early 20th century and the living conditions described actually to a large extent did exist in the Nazi Germany and Soviet Union. Orwell feared that the uncertain state of global affairs could very well set in motion the series of events mentioned in the book. Socialists taking over only to betray their cause and everything they stood for and form a totalitarian government just like the Bolsheviks had done in Russia in the aftermath of WW1. They'll accumulate total political and social control gradually by claiming it to be a necessity in order to win the war and any opposition will be removed by branding them as enemies of state till there is no one left to oppose.
Once this is achieved the party elite (Inner Party) then ensures the elimination of any future threat to this system and their firm hold on it by devising different ministries which take control and direct each n every source of information and other aspects of life. The state and ministries (government machinery) are run by the literate middle class (Outer Party), they are given the illuison of power and authority over the majority of population; proletariat (Proles) with no politica or social power, however, this is just an illusion and the real power resides within the Inner Party and Big Brother. The inner party have access to all the perks and decide the facts from fiction. The outer party spread the truths decided by the inner party using different tools and get a sense of authority and status along with limited perks.
The inner party put the Proles under surveillance because Proles being blissful ignorant idiots who don't know or care about anything outside their lives. Outer Party (middle class who wants to work for the machinery) on the contrary is put under constant surveillance as they might pose a threat to inner party. They are kept in place by using various tools like propaganda, fear, and deception. Most of them have been lured in by the petty leisures and a false sense of power and are willing to do everything blindly that inner party instructs to retain that prestige and power. They try to outdo each other to reach a higher position and won't mind giving in their fellows to achieve it. They are so deeply caught up in it that they are unable to realize what actually is happening. All the while the perpetual war rages and is used uninterruptedly to suppress and eliminate any kind of social or political pluralism or divergence in the name of the need of national solidarity in face of threat to the national security.
The social-political ideas/events described as extreme and crazy as they may seem did exist in the early 20th century and they still remain in one form or another in the modern world. The soviet union being the most prominent example where the Bolshevik's revolution transmuted into a totalitarian regime which reached its zenth during the time of Stalin and set up a system which enslaved millions and was responsible for death of around 50-60 million people excluding Soviet casualties in WW2 (27 million) which was also the result of Stalin's own incompetence and his previous actions. Soviet government became the prime source material of Orwell's 1984 which by no means was a milder version of the inhumane and ruthless reality. That other nations of that time like Britian, France, US and Nazi Germany had clean hands but none of them went after people of their own country in the way Soviet Union did with the somewhat exception of Nazi Germany.
Damn this has become so long. I wanted to add the parallels between Orwell's 1984 and modern nations; some quite obvious while others much more sneaky n tricky. But I must stop it here, its already too much. Can do it later if anyone is interested. :)
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Faheem wrote: "Warning: Spoliers included, so read at your own peril :pLike you guys have pointed out in the previous comments that 1984 is about a Totaltotalitarian regime which exerts absolute control over th..."
Thank you very much for enlightening us on this matter... :)
And please continue with what you wanted to say XD
Faheem wrote: "Abdullah mentioned it being similar to Fahrenheit 451, a great book in itself. I partially agree with that because the end results (the authoritarian socio-political environment) maybe very similar..."Yes you are absolutely right ... I did realize it after reading 1984 that Fahrenheit 451 was not as much similar to 1984 as much I thought. And now you further confirmed it XD
Nigham wrote: "Abdullah wrote: "Btw, who hasn't finished the book till now ?"Me hun na :p"
Hahaha XD
Faheem wrote: "@Ahmed, @Abdullah,Well, It's not proper etiquette to whisper in a group, you ought to be more creative if you don't want your alert your prey like use ....
Nope I won't be giving away any secre..."
Oh okay respected mod, we won't whisper next time XD
We were joking about treat thing XD
Yup I did read the 'hey guys' thread when we you issued the official statement XD Hum bachy zyada emotional ho jaty hn na 😂
And Astaghfirullah ...if you are not good at that stuff and still can write such a lengthy review then I wonder what category do I fall in O.o
Faheem wrote: "Warning: Spoliers included, so read at your own peril :pLike you guys have pointed out in the previous comments that 1984 is about a Totaltotalitarian regime which exerts absolute control over th..."
AMAZING REVIEW!!! Really loved your point of view on the book. I read this book as a great work of fiction. I just got to know this book was deeply related to history. Thanks a lot for the enlightenment! 😊
And please write if you wanna say something more. I would love that.
Abdullah wrote: We were joking about treat thing XD Right!!
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@Narjis aap PTI waali hn na...do you relate any character of the book with some current political figure?"
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