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Shallan is completely idiotic. I don't want to read book 3 with her as one of the main characters.
I don`t think I hate Shallan (I believe neither of us Really does) but she is developing, growing. So she starts being very childish and prejudiced, and thinks herself more witty than she really is. Later on she becomes a little less annoying.I think my real troubles with her are:
1) She learns to be a Radiant too fast, too easily. But she is still just a silly, innocent girl. I think that s the reason why her trip to the shattered planes is so boring. She keeps being the same teenager but without Jasnah s influence and with too much luck. I m almost expecting to see her fail.
2) Kaladin ir just too great. Even when he make s mistakes, I can easily put into his shoes and see and feel what he does. I really feel his suffer and joy. Dalinar is also so interesting! IMHO those two are much more engaging character arcs. I think Shallan s problem is that she is actually really good, but shares screen with superior characters.
IMO Shallan was one of the best parts of this book. Kaladin was too broody and I had enough of that in the first book. Dalinar is great but I can see why it would not have been a good idea to focus too much on him this time. It would have become too much like GOT.
Kaladin and Shallan's story, when the Sanderson kept switching them as the POV character in the cave, was AWESOME. I hope the next books have scenes like that. I agree that about 100 pages of Shallan wandering could have been cut. I did like her story, and i think she's hilarious, but it should have been abbreviated. Really, this series has a huge number of characters and it's crazy that that she got quite so much time. 2017, i'm ready!
NOPE! Shallan is the best.And her spren is not boring!
Kuzgun wrote: "NOPE! Shallan is the best.And her spren is not boring!"Well you will see less of her and more of Dalinar in this upcoming book
KingKiller wrote: "@ RachelI knew this book would focus more on her, I was just expecting it to be a bit more interesting, though I agree with Sirius in that now she's at the Shattered Plains and interacted with oth..."
Come on, it's obvious, lol. They actually share a lot between them. Adolin is going to go off in the deep end after killing Sadias.
Jennifer wrote: "I'm genuinely surprised so many people dislike Shallan in this book. My favorite thing about Way of Kings and Words of Radiance was that I loved all the characters pretty much equally and found the..."So pumped for Oathbringer! I'm on the "love all the characters" wagon, but Dalinar is my favorite.
TS wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "Kaladin often time fails to see the bigger picture and as much as he hates inherent inequality about the darkeyes/lighteyes system, he downright hates people for having lighteyes r..."I dunno, the characters from The Wheel of Time might be just slightly better. But that's another topic. Now that Kaladin is a light eyes, he's going to have to deal with his hatred of them, because he is one now, lol.
Does he hate them for having light eyes or for their belief that having light eyes makes them better than dark eyes? It's a subtle difference it may be his struggle to define that in the next book.
JaphiaHart wrote: "Does he hate them for having light eyes or for their belief that having light eyes makes them better than dark eyes? It's a subtle difference it may be his struggle to define that in the next book."You could say they're one and the same.
Brian wrote: "I thought Shallan was more interesting than Kaladin in this book, who moped too much. I also thought Pattern was hilarious."Precisely, at one point I was thinking, wow this Kaladin has a major chip on his shoulder, and honestly I didn't like Shallan's choices much either. But by the end of the book they all made the right decisions. Isn't that the mark of a good writer? To write in such a way that you end up liking a character more and more as the book progresses?
Kaladin was book 1, Shallan book 2 and Dalinar will be book 3.
So you ask why Shallan would have so many chapters?
Seems like a foolish question considering she is a radiant and each radiant will have a book each that is mainly dedicated to them.
So you ask why Shallan would have so many chapters?
Seems like a foolish question considering she is a radiant and each radiant will have a book each that is mainly dedicated to them.
TS wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "Kaladin often time fails to see the bigger picture and as much as he hates inherent inequality about the darkeyes/lighteyes system, he downright hates people for having lighteyes r..."
He is prejudice against lighteyes with good reason.
First Roshone, second Amaram then lastly Sadeas.
Kaladin has been beaten down so often, I don't blame him for being so defensive against who he gives his trust and respect to.
For example, he now respects Dalinar but I also believe he is still iffy about whether he should trust him or not considering everything, he is most likely just waiting for everything to go wrong.
He is prejudice against lighteyes with good reason.
First Roshone, second Amaram then lastly Sadeas.
Kaladin has been beaten down so often, I don't blame him for being so defensive against who he gives his trust and respect to.
For example, he now respects Dalinar but I also believe he is still iffy about whether he should trust him or not considering everything, he is most likely just waiting for everything to go wrong.
Tarcarian wrote: "Kaladin was book 1, Shallan book 2 and Dalinar will be book 3.So you ask why Shallan would have so many chapters?
Seems like a foolish question considering she is a radiant and each radiant will h..."
I can't wait for book 3. Dalinar is one of my favorites.
Tarcarian wrote: "TS wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "Kaladin often time fails to see the bigger picture and as much as he hates inherent inequality about the darkeyes/lighteyes system, he downright hates people for having ..."Kaladin IS a lighteyes now, lol. His idea that if you're a lighteyes you're inherently bad is so flawed. Shallan is a lighteyes and she's nothing like those other lighteyes that screwed him. You know Kaladin and Shallan are going to end up together, right?
James wrote: "Tarcarian wrote: "TS wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "Kaladin often time fails to see the bigger picture and as much as he hates inherent inequality about the darkeyes/lighteyes system, he downright hates ..."
I do not think they will end up together, she is not good enough for him. Unless she changed dramatically I certainly hope they don't end up together.
I do not think they will end up together, she is not good enough for him. Unless she changed dramatically I certainly hope they don't end up together.
What do you mean she's not good enough for him? She's just like he is.
James wrote: "What do you mean she's not good enough for him? She's just like he is."No, family ties are verry different and she loves deceptions. Also it looks like they are set up for tragedy
Be patient with all his characters it takes time to build them.
Oathbringer is coming out soon. I wonder who it will focus on.
Arbré wrote: "Oathbringer is coming out soon. I wonder who it will focus on."Dalinar. Sanderson said so, and he's my favorite character, so I'm really excited about it!
I would also say the main will be Dalinar with a good chunk of Kal and Shallan. I believe Szeth-son-son-Vallano is the main in the book after
Tony wrote: "I would also say the main will be Dalinar with a good chunk of Kal and Shallan. I believe Szeth-son-son-Vallano is the main in the book after"Hopefully he won't be nearly absent again
I don't think he will. If u read edge dancer u get a good peace of his story. So I think/hope he will be a good side character in Dalinars book. Sanderson is an awesome story teller I don't think he would leave a gap like that. Although I believe szeth book was supposed to be the 3rd. Somthing cause a change but I can't remember now what that was lol
Tony wrote: "I don't think he will. If u read edge dancer u get a good peace of his story. So I think/hope he will be a good side character in Dalinars book. Sanderson is an awesome story teller I don't think h..."You definitely should read edge dancer before reading Oathbringer, as there is some good character development in there that really changes the direction of one of the characters in WOTR.
KingKiller wrote: "Firstly I love this series and this book, especially after just having read the chapters about an amazing duel. But I can't help but feel annoyed that a character that I have not resonated with a..."
I got to aggree with you, way too much shallan, i find her story line almost boring, the other (adolin, kaladin, dalinar, etc) being fantastic and so every time i start a shallan chapter i get annoyed.
I think that Shallan is a very interesting character and I am willing to say that she has had the most terrible back story out of all of them even Dalinar who's back story is terrible if you have read Oath bringer. She has dealt with an incredible change. Her story in the past is very interesting and I think that because her past is so interesting it makes her present interesting too.
I wasn't looking forward to this book because of Shallan. Yet it was quite bearable, although she's still a character I am least interested in.Too Mary Sue to my taste)
Im so shocked at the Shallan hate.... did we read the same book because I truly loved Shallan's POV since WOK and even more in WOR, her plot just got more exciting as the book progressed.. she's a breath of fresh air and has her faults but so does every other character. I feel like most people are too quick to pick on female characters especially when theyre not "perfectly" depicted from the get go.. yeah she's snobby but she's 17 literally years younger than both kaladin and adolin ... thats very natural but she's growing... thats the whole point, also adding to the fact that she's had a terrible back story, it doesnt make her any different than other characters like Kaladin learning to explore their surroundings and emotions. Honestly Shallan made this book up for me right next to Kaladin.
I completely agree. To me, Shallan in this book was what Bran and Arya were in Game of Thrones. I just wanted to skip their chapters as soon as I could, glossing over them on rereads. At best.Am I the only one who's already tired of the Kaladin/Shallan/Adolin relationship?
Just finished WoR. I loved the core/main storyline. Kaladin is a fascinating, flawed hero who struggles with a lot of self-doubt. That being said, I skipped all the interludes as they bogged down the flow of the narrative and story. I skimmed most of Shallan's story because, although I feel some of it is necessary, it's too bloated, especially after the ship sank. There are too many unnecessary POV characters and bloated plots involving those unnecessary characters, and it's why I stopped reading and enjoying epic fantasy. I loved the first five (or six?) books of WoT but stopped reading it for the same reason I'm frustrated with The Stormlight Archives. Unwieldy and overcomplicated plots bogged down by unnecessary detail, side stories and dialogue.
WoR could have been a quick moving 450-500 page book. I don't understand why epic fantasy writers have to drag the story out. They fall in love with these side stories that completely halt the main story progression, or they unnecessarily complicate the plot.
I'm moving on to Oathbringer, but I'm sure I'll skip or skim most of that story as well.
P.S. I have no words for how much I detest the 'safehand' 'freehand' idea. What's next? A freefoot and a safefoot where the woman has to hobble around on two different types of shoes? How many other ways can someone think up to hobble a woman in society? Free eye and safe eye so she's half blind?
I just wanted to pop on to say that I am so grateful someone else feels the same way as I do about Shallan. As a character, she's mediocre and I cringed every time I had to read one of her chapters. I understand she needs to be there for the plot but good lord.
Lol. Well, I thought she was okay in book one, but one thing that is definitely hard to read from Sanderson is the forced humor he injects. Yikes.
I am glad to see I am not alone here.I haven't even finished the book yet. I am seriously about to drop it and I have never read something as exciting as Kaladin's side of the story but Shallan is killing me.
It is plain torture, it drains my life, I am unable to focus on what I am even reading as I surprise myself wishing Mr. Sanderson judges we have already paid for whatever crime we have commited to deserve this punishment and indulges us all by killing Shallan.
Will it be 50/50 the rest of the book until the end?
Tei wrote: "I am glad to see I am not alone here.I haven't even finished the book yet. I am seriously about to drop it and I have never read something as exciting as Kaladin's side of the story but Shallan i..."
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but, IMO, the Shallan saga/drama gets worse. I finally stopped reading it. I may pick it back up because Kaladin's story is awesome.
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